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Eroding the E*******l College Erodes Americans' V****g Rights
Apr 18, 2024 12:17:04   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
The structure of the American government was designed by the Founders to prevent raw majoritarianism: the three branches of government and their checks and balances, the allocation of power between the state and federal governments, constitutional limits on the federal government's power, the differing composition of the U.S. House of Representatives and the U.S. Senate, and the E*******l College.

L*****ts are doing everything they can to eliminate these safeguards and create a system where a bare majority will control every level of political power. The E*******l College is a particular target of their vitriol and machinations.

The U.S. Constitution provides that the president of the United States is elected not by a popular v**e of the people but by the states. Each state has e*****rs, the number of which is equal to the number of representatives in the U.S. House of Representatives (which is determined by the state's population, established every 10 years in the census). After a p**********l e******n, each state's e*****rs cast their v**es for the candidate who has won a majority of the state's v**es. (All but two states have a "winner-take-all" e*******l v**e system; Maine and Nebraska allocate e*****rs roughly proportionately.) In theory, members of the E*******l College have the power to cast their v**es for whichever candidate they choose. (And there have been loud calls for them to do so, in 2016 and again in 2020.) In practice, however, they have abided by the decision of the v**ers in their state.

The objection to the E*******l College arises largely from the fact that the victor in a p**********l e******n can win despite losing the "popular v**e," as has happened five times in U.S. history, including the 2000 and 2016 e******ns. This is pitched as some kind of grave injustice. But the E*******l College was designed precisely to protect and preserve the v**es and voices of smaller, rural, less populated states.

Opponents of the E*******l College also claim it was put in place to protect s***ery. But a quick review of history disproves that. The Constitution was adopted in 1789. In 1790, at the time of the first census, the states in ascending order of population were Southwest Territory, Delaware, Rhode Island, Kentucky, Georgia, Vermont, Maine, New Hampshire, New Jersey, Connecticut, South Carolina, New York, Maryland, Massachusetts, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Virginia. Of the 17 then-existing states, s***e states were four of the top six most populous. Virginia alone held almost 20% of the country's entire population. By contrast, the bottom nine least populated states -- including New York -- were free states.

In other words, at the time it was created, the E*******l College protected the v****g rights of less populated free states vis-a-vis the v**es of the larger states where s***ery was practiced.

Eliminating the E*******l College altogether would require a constitutional amendment, a process requiring either a convention of the states or passage by a two-thirds majority of both houses of Congress followed by ratification by three-quarters of all state legislatures (38 out of 50 at present).

However, those trying to change the method of electing the president have found another way: the National Popular V**e Interstate Compact, which was launched in 2006. States join the NPVIC by passing legislation by which they agree to allocate their E*******l College v**es to the p**********l candidate who receives the largest percentage of the popular v**e -- even if that is not whom a majority of the state's own v**ers have chosen.

This week, Maine became the 17th state to pass legislation joining the NPVIC. (The District of Columbia has also passed legislation joining.) At this writing, the compact has 209 of the 270 v**es needed to trigger its application in a p**********l e******n.

The legislatures that have passed NPVIC legislation have effectively disenfranchised their own citizens, who should be irate that their v**es will be cast aside because of what has t***spired in other states.

There are additional reasons to oppose the NPVIC.

President Joe Biden signed an executive order in 2021 ordering the U.S. Census Bureau to count all U.S. residents -- including i*****l i*******ts -- as part of the census. Since that time, at least 10 million people have crossed the border illegally -- more than the populations of 40 states. Huge numbers of these have landed in California, New York and Illinois, bloating their population figures for both congressional representation and E*******l College purposes. California, Illinois and New York (all of which have joined the NPVIC) have 101 E*******l College v**es just between the three of them. They are also in the top 10 states with the highest number of i*****l i*******ts.

This explains Democrats' push to make all i*****l i*******ts citizens and give them v****g rights. That, coupled with the NPVIC, would give the most populous states de facto control over p**********l e******ns. A handful of states should not be able to decide the e******n of the president of all 50, particularly when they have padded their population via i*****l i*********n. Claims that the E*******l College "undermines democracy" are either ignorant or deliberately misleading. The United States is not a "democracy"; it is a constitutional republic. And it is not merely a country; it is also a federation of 50 semi-sovereign states, each of which has citizens.

NPVIC advocates, along with those who want to abolish the E*******l College outright and change the composition of the U.S. Senate, are pushing us toward a situation where a majority of states will nevertheless be home to a permanent, politically disenfranchised minority.

That is not a prescription for "fairness" or "unity." It is a path to balkanization, calls for secession -- or worse.

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Apr 18, 2024 13:24:30   #
Strycker Loc: The middle of somewhere else.
 
Parky60 wrote:
The structure of the American government was designed by the Founders to prevent raw majoritarianism: the three branches of government and their checks and balances, the allocation of power between the state and federal governments, constitutional limits on the federal government's power, the differing composition of the U.S. House of Representatives and the U.S. Senate, and the E*******l College.

L*****ts are doing everything they can to eliminate these safeguards and create a system where a bare majority will control every level of political power. The E*******l College is a particular target of their vitriol and machinations.

The U.S. Constitution provides that the president of the United States is elected not by a popular v**e of the people but by the states. Each state has e*****rs, the number of which is equal to the number of representatives in the U.S. House of Representatives (which is determined by the state's population, established every 10 years in the census). After a p**********l e******n, each state's e*****rs cast their v**es for the candidate who has won a majority of the state's v**es. (All but two states have a "winner-take-all" e*******l v**e system; Maine and Nebraska allocate e*****rs roughly proportionately.) In theory, members of the E*******l College have the power to cast their v**es for whichever candidate they choose. (And there have been loud calls for them to do so, in 2016 and again in 2020.) In practice, however, they have abided by the decision of the v**ers in their state.

The objection to the E*******l College arises largely from the fact that the victor in a p**********l e******n can win despite losing the "popular v**e," as has happened five times in U.S. history, including the 2000 and 2016 e******ns. This is pitched as some kind of grave injustice. But the E*******l College was designed precisely to protect and preserve the v**es and voices of smaller, rural, less populated states.

Opponents of the E*******l College also claim it was put in place to protect s***ery. But a quick review of history disproves that. The Constitution was adopted in 1789. In 1790, at the time of the first census, the states in ascending order of population were Southwest Territory, Delaware, Rhode Island, Kentucky, Georgia, Vermont, Maine, New Hampshire, New Jersey, Connecticut, South Carolina, New York, Maryland, Massachusetts, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Virginia. Of the 17 then-existing states, s***e states were four of the top six most populous. Virginia alone held almost 20% of the country's entire population. By contrast, the bottom nine least populated states -- including New York -- were free states.

In other words, at the time it was created, the E*******l College protected the v****g rights of less populated free states vis-a-vis the v**es of the larger states where s***ery was practiced.

Eliminating the E*******l College altogether would require a constitutional amendment, a process requiring either a convention of the states or passage by a two-thirds majority of both houses of Congress followed by ratification by three-quarters of all state legislatures (38 out of 50 at present).

However, those trying to change the method of electing the president have found another way: the National Popular V**e Interstate Compact, which was launched in 2006. States join the NPVIC by passing legislation by which they agree to allocate their E*******l College v**es to the p**********l candidate who receives the largest percentage of the popular v**e -- even if that is not whom a majority of the state's own v**ers have chosen.

This week, Maine became the 17th state to pass legislation joining the NPVIC. (The District of Columbia has also passed legislation joining.) At this writing, the compact has 209 of the 270 v**es needed to trigger its application in a p**********l e******n.

The legislatures that have passed NPVIC legislation have effectively disenfranchised their own citizens, who should be irate that their v**es will be cast aside because of what has t***spired in other states.

There are additional reasons to oppose the NPVIC.

President Joe Biden signed an executive order in 2021 ordering the U.S. Census Bureau to count all U.S. residents -- including i*****l i*******ts -- as part of the census. Since that time, at least 10 million people have crossed the border illegally -- more than the populations of 40 states. Huge numbers of these have landed in California, New York and Illinois, bloating their population figures for both congressional representation and E*******l College purposes. California, Illinois and New York (all of which have joined the NPVIC) have 101 E*******l College v**es just between the three of them. They are also in the top 10 states with the highest number of i*****l i*******ts.

This explains Democrats' push to make all i*****l i*******ts citizens and give them v****g rights. That, coupled with the NPVIC, would give the most populous states de facto control over p**********l e******ns. A handful of states should not be able to decide the e******n of the president of all 50, particularly when they have padded their population via i*****l i*********n. Claims that the E*******l College "undermines democracy" are either ignorant or deliberately misleading. The United States is not a "democracy"; it is a constitutional republic. And it is not merely a country; it is also a federation of 50 semi-sovereign states, each of which has citizens.

NPVIC advocates, along with those who want to abolish the E*******l College outright and change the composition of the U.S. Senate, are pushing us toward a situation where a majority of states will nevertheless be home to a permanent, politically disenfranchised minority.

That is not a prescription for "fairness" or "unity." It is a path to balkanization, calls for secession -- or worse.
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With the current makeup of the SCOTUS it would be very likely that such a move using the National Popular V**e Interstate Compact, if attempted, would not pass constitutional muster. Though it most likely would be a huge constitutional crisis. Trump's greatest most lasting achievement, purely by fate, was appointing originalist judges.

If blue states do manage to stack or regain control of the SCOTUS then all bets are off as liberal interpretation of the Constitution would result in no meaningful Constitution at all.

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Apr 18, 2024 14:04:13   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
Strycker wrote:
... If blue states do manage to stack or regain control of the SCOTUS then all bets are off as liberal interpretation of the Constitution would result in no meaningful Constitution at all.

And those followers of the Left that have been so indoctrinated that they'll be stupid enough to follow right along with it until the last bastion of liberty on earth will have been eliminated and they'll be asking, "How did that happen?" Only thing is by that time it will be too late.

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