manning5me Loc: Richmond, Va.

You need to go to Wikipedia and study up on the Russian wars/conflicts./interventions since 1945. 14 of them, and some 9 relate to Russian security needs. Your interpretations and the facts seem to be misaligned insofar as to who did what to whom when and why. My point is the Who-shot-John stuff quickly becomes immersed in debates over trivia.

manning5me Loc: Richmond, Va.

The Israeli situation has the same characteristic, this time, centuries of who-shot-John events that you simply cannot score properly for or against the parties. Cause and effect, layers of them. We always need a clear take-it-from-here base for the current situation, a demarking point of great importance, The invasion is such.

martsiva

No - YOU deny the history of what started this war and that is not trivia!! Russia and Ukraine were getting along with NO war like this until g*******t Obama interfered and to you that is nothing!!

WEBCO

I don't use Wikipedia, it's extremely unreliable and factually wanting.

Do you remember the "Cuban missile crisis?"

Why do you expect Russia to accept nuclear, and biological weapons, on their border?

If NATOis really a defense organization, why have they been on offense for the last 40 years?

WEBCO

Which invasion?

Do you randomly pick when you begin to look at cause and effect?

WEBCO

So you don't believe that our o*******wing the democraticly elected government in Ukraine wasn't the starting point in the conflict? Or installing our puppet, and then mercilessly bombing and k*****g 14,000 ethnic Russians wasn't the starting point?

It simply started because Putin attacked the innocent Ukraine...

manning5me Loc: Richmond, Va.

Your verbiage is heated. There is a huge, difference between selecting your deflection point for the purpose of settling an argument or writing a treaty, versus debating all of the prior acts, trends, thoughts, people. armies, vicious war crimes, bad decisions, on both sides, and by associated parties, so forth and so forth in the Russia/Ukraine situation. To get to a deflection point and a reasonable treaty, it is almost always the case that both parties must swallow their anger, their blame-machines, their p***e and their partisan voices, and blast ahead to the treaty. Animosities such as you show for Obama, and anyone on either side, inhibits getting to the deflection point and the peace process. [FYI Obama is an a*********n and should at the least be barred from any participation in our affairs if not finding a final solution.]

WEBCO

So why hasn't the Ukraine accepted the peace treaties?

Obama was part of the 2016 c**p against Trump. He, Hillary, comey, Clapper, Brennan, rice, and blinken were as well. They started the Russian collusion lie to provide cover for the illegal spying on president elect Trump and president Trump. Until these people are brought to justice our country will remain divided

manning5me Loc: Richmond, Va.

Good question!

The cast of characters you show is woefully incomplete from now almost 12 years of dem stupidities. Obama I, II III +Puppet. Hundreds must go!

martsiva

Did the word g*******t go over your head which is exactly what Obama and now Biden are!! This war is g*******t instigated and if you think they will allow a peace treaty between the two you are sadly mistaken!! Soros is a c*******t g*******t and a huge contributor to Democrats!! His goal is to destroy Russia and America for the New World Order!! Zelenski is nothing but a g*******t puppet!! No matter what you think of Putin he is against the New World Order!! I agree with you on swallowing anger and blame machines to work towards peace but what you don`t understand is that g*******ts will not allow that to happen!!

manning5me Loc: Richmond, Va.

NWO G*******ts are indeed a threat to good order in the world. It is also true that the forces of good are still strong in the world also, but are handicapped by the necessity for working by the rules while our NWO enemies are not restricted. We need Trump in the WH to provide the direction, resources, and cover for the efforts to oust the NWO types. You can find lots of NWO's in the Bilderberg and CFR members and in the Military-industrial leadership, etc.

WEBCO

Those are simply the ones we can prove who participated. Those names were on Brennans handwritten notes when crossfire hurricane was launched. We also know that Obama had asked ALL 5 eyes to spy on Trump months before.

martsiva

You are right so my question is why would you support a g*******t instigated war against a country that is against the NWO? Why would you support a country that has a g*******t puppet as it`s leader?? Why would you support a country who`s head cancelled e******ns keeping him in power? I know there is much corruption on both side and that Putin is no saint but this war is another g*******t step in trying to take over the world by trying to defeating one of their enemies against the NWO!! I certainly hope you realize that g*******ts are behind the attacks on our 2nd amendment rights and g*******t Soros funding of the Democrats is proof for that. This country is also in a war against those who are trying to take away our freedoms!! Rusia is a super power and so is the US and g*******ts want control of both!!

manning5me Loc: Richmond, Va.

IMHO, I'd rather see Ukraine on the side of NATO and a US government that is cleansed from its Progressive i***ts, and returned to its strong military, also cleansed from WOKE i***ts. For that matter all Woke i***ts should
be shoved aside, along with anyone tagged to be a "G*******t!" For them, I recommend extreme measures real soon now!
The first step comes in November with the e******n of Trump. He will see these things through. He, too, does not support the g*******ts. So.....we must support the Ukraine in the meanwhile to a win, or we have Russia AND the NWO crowd against us simultaneously.

That we control the Ukraine is absolutely essential, in my opinion so long as we elect Trump. If Biden wins, Ukraine will fall to Russia, and eventually the rest of the "buffer states" will fall, never mind that they are NATO members, Nuclear blackmail one-by one by Russia will hold NATO back while they absorb what they want, nation by nation.

So, where and when do we stop them?

The answer is obvious, but when has to be about an armament cycle away for NATO and the US, at least a year to a year and a half from now. Ukraine must stay in the game during that cycle. At that point, we must be ready to put down the gauntlet to Putin and say 'get out of all Ukraine or else.' and mean it. Biden/Obama/NWO will not support that buildup, but Trump will.

NATO itself is t***sitioning from almost total reliance on the US to defend them, to greater capability to defend themselves, but this will also take some time to build up their forces, and it seems that France is in the lead here.
The Europeans are beginning to see the decline of America in so many ways, militarily, financially, morally, and in commitments that weaken as a result, that they must shift gears to greater self-defense. I hope they can effect (as in fix) their buildup in a timely fashion!

Further, Trump should be able to leverage what we see as changes needed by the Ukraine government to smooth out the corruption. We have the leverage to do that, on threat of letting the Russians in. Then we admit the Ukraine into both NATO and the EU if they can conform to the requirements for membership and effect what we see as needed changes. We will need to have extraordinary access to the entire Ukrainian government to monitor their financial activities for a number of years.

Let me be clear. Russia is the enemy. Their imperial nature is ever-present, and their priority need is to defend what they believe are their border buffer states from attacks from the east and the west. They have been invaded some 50 time in their history and are determined to prevent it ever again. After 14 wars/interventions since 1945, 9 to regain eastern defense points they are still after their western buffers, including the Balkan states, Finland, Poland and East Germany, and others if needed. This is the absolute root cause of the Ukraine invasion, all else is simply either nice side benefits, scoring geopolitical points, or excuses to invade the Ukraine. That is why they can destroy cities and infrastructure, because their need for buffering actually lies beyond the Ukraine in the Carpathian Mountain Passes. Thus, smaller defense forces located there can block invaders at the passes, not later in the broad steppes where enemy tank formations can roam easily. Their care for Ukrainian citizens is just about zero. /rant

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