AuntiE
Loc: 45th Least Free State
Worried for our children wrote:
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Hmmm. Classic worldly Christianity. Functioning as oppositional to the "least of these" and promoting violence as a cure. Ugly, stupid. and thoroughly wrong-headed. In a word, sick.
For one thing, talking about those who refuse to work should not be fed is directed at Christians who were awaiting the return of Jesus and not contributing to the community. It was not meant to starve children and the disabled and the elderly who are unable to make a living, which makes up over 60% of those getting food stamps. Another 15% are abled-bodied who lost their houses and jobs due to Bush policies.
rumitoid wrote:
Hmmm. Classic worldly Christianity. Functioning as oppositional to the "least of these" and promoting violence as a cure. Ugly, stupid. and thoroughly wrong-headed. In a word, sick.
For one thing, talking about those who refuse to work should not be fed is directed at Christians who were awaiting the return of Jesus and not contributing to the community. It was not meant to starve children and the disabled and the elderly who are unable to make a living, which makes up over 60% of those getting food stamps. Another 15% are abled-bodied who lost their houses and jobs due to Bush policies.
Hmmm. Classic worldly Christianity. Functioning as... (
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Ohh rumiTARD ....like most things do, this sailed right over your head.
Suggestion: perhaps if you took your head out of your anal cavity, and stood up straight, there would be fewer chances of this happening.
Ghost
Loc: The 1st state to ever secede
I don't think you have to be necessarily a Christian to be a conservative per say. I think it qualifies into upholding traditions such as a strong family unit, values and rugged individualism that lefists love to scorn. The bread and butter that made this country strong.
As a Deist I do not identify myself as a conservative. I am stout defender of conservative tenets but I also lean towards libertarian matters socially rather have everything micromanaged by religious or state affiliated partisanships. Spirituality should be a personal thing and never be used as a political cudgel. I believe in what I want to believe in and you believe what you want to believe in but don't shove your beliefs down my throat.
However, I see homosexuality as an anamoly that needs to be kept "in the closet" and I find it even more disconcerning the call their unions a "marriage." It maybe a legal union but Holy Matrimony it is not. I definitely wouldn't condone such unnatural lifestyles upon others or on children, however they should not be treated like 2nd class citizens. Despite what liberals say it is a choice, you are not born gay/lesbian. God does not create garbage!
H**e the sin, not the sinner. Some Christians have a hard time practicing that unfortunately...
That is my stance on it.
AuntiE
Loc: 45th Least Free State
Ghost wrote:
I don't think you have to be necessarily a Christian to be a conservative per say. I think it qualifies into upholding traditions such as a strong family unit, values and rugged individualism that lefists love to scorn. The bread and butter that made this country strong.
As a Deist I do not identify myself as a conservative. I am stout defender of conservative tenets but I also lean towards libertarian matters socially rather have everything micromanaged by religious or state affiliated partisanships. Spirituality should be a personal thing and never be used as a political cudgel. I believe in what I want to believe in and you believe what you want to believe in but don't shove your beliefs down my throat.
However, I see homosexuality as an anamoly that needs to be kept "in the closet" and I find it even more disconcerning the call their unions a "marriage." It maybe a legal union but Holy Matrimony it is not. I definitely wouldn't condone such unnatural lifestyles upon others or on children, however they should not be treated like 2nd class citizens. Despite what liberals say it is a choice, you are not born gay/lesbian. God does not create garbage!
H**e the sin, not the sinner. Some Christians have a hard time practicing that unfortunately...
That is my stance on it.
I don't think you have to be necessarily a Christi... (
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As a person of faith, there are some Evangelicals who give "good" Christians a bad name.
You are absolutely correct that some Christians do have a problem with the difference of hating a sin as opposed to the sinner. These are the people who need to be told (paraphrase) cast the first stone if you are without sin. Following that edict would keep all stones on the ground and away from casting.
A better way of potentially leading individuals to belief is leading by example.
Just some thoughts on the subject.
Ghost
Loc: The 1st state to ever secede
AuntiE wrote:
As a person of faith, there are some Evangelicals who give "good" Christians a bad name.
You are absolutely correct that some Christians do have a problem with the difference of hating a sin as opposed to the sinner. These are the people who need to be told (paraphrase) cast the first stone if you are without sin. Following that edict would keep all stones on the ground and away from casting.
A better way of potentially leading individuals to belief is leading by example.
Just some thoughts on the subject.
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As a Southerner I'm surrounded by Baptists and down here they get pretty fiery and at times to the point they're zealots. It is a big turn off that was a nearly traumatic time in my mid-teenage years. For the record I wasn't brought up in a religious family, this pursuit of faith was by my own choice.
As with any religion the problem is not with the faith itself but the people who "represents" it. Denominations have this infighting that their teachings are closer to the Bible and others are posers or wh**ever and vice versa. As a personal choice I choose to be non-denominational and worship God in my own way as is the whole idea what this country was founded upon: Personal and religious (spiritual) freedoms.
I love God but I despise religion.
Does this make sense?
Ghost wrote:
I don't think you have to be necessarily a Christian to be a conservative per say. I think it qualifies into upholding traditions such as a strong family unit, values and rugged individualism that lefists love to scorn. The bread and butter that made this country strong.
As a Deist I do not identify myself as a conservative. I am stout defender of conservative tenets but I also lean towards libertarian matters socially rather have everything micromanaged by religious or state affiliated partisanships. Spirituality should be a personal thing and never be used as a political cudgel. I believe in what I want to believe in and you believe what you want to believe in but don't shove your beliefs down my throat.
However, I see homosexuality as an anamoly that needs to be kept "in the closet" and I find it even more disconcerning the call their unions a "marriage." It maybe a legal union but Holy Matrimony it is not. I definitely wouldn't condone such unnatural lifestyles upon others or on children, however they should not be treated like 2nd class citizens. Despite what liberals say it is a choice, you are not born gay/lesbian. God does not create garbage!
H**e the sin, not the sinner. Some Christians have a hard time practicing that unfortunately...
That is my stance on it.
I don't think you have to be necessarily a Christi... (
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Alas, someone who does get it, thank you for a clear and well presented post, Ghost.(hehe I'm a poet)
Jesus is not a conservative or a capitalist but a God of unconditional love. He tells us to pray for wisdom
Dave
Loc: Upstate New York
As an agnostic I obviously don't think being a Christian is necessary to being a conservative. To be a conservative one needs simply to understand human nature and empiracally observe where we are and how we came to be here.
AMEN!
No, you don't have to be. However if one is truly following the faith there is the possibility once in power, the laws passed would follow the teachings of the bible. Today, many are turned off by the mostly apostate organized churches and have started worship at home as I have.
If Jesus called out the Pharisees for being hypocrites, imagine what he would have to say to the religious leaders of today, let alone liberals, and conservatives. The answer is simple; live your life so that it benefits others, as love covers a multitude of sins. NOBODY is perfect, yet God will love you anyway, if you have a meaningful relationship with him. He doesn't recognize democrats, or republicans. as both have been corrupted.
alex
Loc: michigan now imperial beach californa
Ghost wrote:
As a Southerner I'm surrounded by Baptists and down here they get pretty fiery and at times to the point they're zealots. It is a big turn off that was a nearly traumatic time in my mid-teenage years. For the record I wasn't brought up in a religious family, this pursuit of faith was by my own choice.
As with any religion the problem is not with the faith itself but the people who "represents" it. Denominations have this infighting that their teachings are closer to the Bible and others are posers or wh**ever and vice versa. As a personal choice I choose to be non-denominational and worship God in my own way as is the whole idea what this country was founded upon: Personal and religious (spiritual) freedoms.
I love God but I despise religion.
Does this make sense?
As a Southerner I'm surrounded by Baptists and dow... (
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it makes more sense than most would believe, I could go to almost any prodisant (yahoo spell check is dummer than i am)church but then they want you to become a member and follow their rules but most of their rules i don't agree with
Worried for our children wrote:
Conservatism has nothing to do with religion
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