publican

The anti-a******n crowd keeps talking about a******n advocates as "baby-k**lers".

My question is: can you define what is a baby?

Liberty Tree

18 US code 1841

publican

I'm not asking for a reference, I want an actual definition.

AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State

If you first define what a woman is.

Liberty Tree

That reference defines it. Look it up if you have the search for t***h.

publican

Let me restate my question. Can YOU define what is a baby? In your own words.

Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois

1. An unborn child; a fetus.
2. A very young child; an infant.
3. The youngest member of a family or group.

Liberty Tree

A human from the moment of conception until about age one after birth. Now I know you are just waiting to tell me how wrong I am

RandyBrian Loc: Texas

I absolutely can.
The moment of conception.
HOWEVER, I have a modified definition of that moment. It is my belief that the moment of conception is when the fertilized egg attaches itself to the uterus wall. MANY fertilized eggs get flushed out of a woman's system, unfullfilled. But once a fertilized egg is properly attached, then a HUMAN child WILL be born, unless God or (your preference) nature intervenes, in which case a human baby is miscarried, or a human agency has taken direct action to murder the human baby.
My opinion on this is justified both Biblically and scientifically.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Yes, I can, can you?

publican

Of course I can, but it almost certainly differs from yours. The point of my question is I am trying to understand the point of view of the pro-lifers. I have no intention of trying to convince anyone that their views are wrong, I would just like to know what they are,

RandyBrian Loc: Texas

AFTER THE CONCEPTION, ANY fetus, child, lump of flesh, pile of cells, or wh**ever name you want to call it, IS A HUMAN BABY well on the long path of growing naturally and hopefully normally into a functional and God Blessed human being.
Ignorant a******nists want to require such a baby to meet certain functional requirements before proclaiming it to actually BE a human being, and THEY get to decide the standard, with murder acceptable as though it were the treatment of a disease.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

The life of a baby is not defined by subjective opinions, but by a scientific reality.

When the sperm cell that wins the race fertilizes the female egg, a unique individual human is created.

When Human Life Begins

American College of Pediatricians – March 2017

ABSTRACT: The predominance of human biological research confirms that human life begins at conception—fertilization. At fertilization, the human being emerges as a whole, genetically distinct, individuated zygotic living human organism, a member of the species Homo sapiens, needing only the proper environment in order to grow and develop. The difference between the individual in its adult stage and in its zygotic stage is one of form, not nature. This statement focuses on the scientific evidence of when an individual human life begins.

It has been recognized for millennia that both a paternal (semen) and a maternal contribution are required for the formation of a new human life. The first recorded embryological reports are in the fifth century B.C. books of Hippocrates, who noted from the study of incubating chicken eggs that the nature of the bird can be likened to that of the man. A century later, Aristotle studied the chick and other embryos but incorrectly thought that they arose from a formless mass of semen combined with menstrual blood. In 1677, Hamm and Leeuwenhoek observed spermatozoa under the microscope, but thought they contained miniature humans. Spallanzani demonstrated in 1775 that both oocyte and sperm were necessary. In 1827, von Baer observed oocytes in the ovarian follicle and in the Fallopian tube and blastocysts in the uterus of a dog.1

Finally, it was with the advent of the cell theory developed by Schleiden and Schwann in 1839 that it was recognized that the embryo develops from the single-celled zygote.1 Directly based upon this observation and the knowledge that the single-celled zygote was alive and an independent being, in 1859 the American Medical Association published a statement strongly opposing a******n, particularly commenting on the independence of the zygote during the time between its formation and its implantation.2,3

Although the American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology in 1965 attempted to redefine “conception” to mean implantation rather than fertilization,4 medical dictionaries and even English language dictionaries both before and after 19665,6 define “conception” as synonymous with fertilization (sometimes via the intermediary term of “fecundation”).7,8,9 Moore’s 1974 edition of a human embryology textbook states that development is a continuous process that begins when an ovum is fertilized by a sperm and ends at death. It is a process of change and growth that t***sforms the zygote, a single cell, into a multicellular adult human being.10 Moore’s 2008 edition emphasizes that development does not end at birth but extends into early adulthood.1 Professor Emeritus of Human Embryology of the University of Arizona School of Medicine, Dr. C. Ward Kischer, affirms that “Every human embryologist, worldwide, states that the life of the new individual human being begins at fertilization (conception).”11 Even authors who philosophically lean towards not attributing the same value to human life at the one-cell stage as they do to later stages of development admit that “As far as human ‘life’ per se, it is, for the most part, uncontroversial among the scientific and philosophical community that life begins at the moment when the genetic information contained in the sperm and ovum combine to form a genetically unique cell.”

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publican

Again, I have no intention of trying to convince anyone of anything. But I must point out the "American College of Pediatricians" is very much a partisan organization. That very fact disqualifies its findings from having any scientific validity.

EmilyD

What those fertilized eggs are that are flushed out are called natural a******ns....or miscarriages. The woman may not even know it is happening (but God does). She does not have to make a decision, and there are no other humans that were involved in causing the fetus to naturally abort.

I feel I need to make that distinction because the pro-death people are trying to grasp at straws trying to define the beginning of human life so they can justify being lazy and irresponsible (and so lots of money can change hands) and take the easy way out of a pregnancy.

IMO, there will come a point - and I believe it will be pretty soon - that technology will make it absolutely certain that even before the egg and sperm unite, they are alive....and they are ONLY human in nature. And when they do unite, it is the first stage of development for that human life until the last stage, which is the death of the human being - whenever that is - that began with that sperm and that egg.

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