crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island

In 2008 & 2012 The C*******t Party of The United States of America Endorsed Barack H. Obama for president. In 2016, it called the defeat of Donald J. Trump 'crucial.' It seems to be supporting his defeat again.

Why?

Jim0001 Loc: originally from Tennessee, now Virginia, USA

Because his beliefs align with theirs....

PeterS

Why do White Nationalists and other f*****ts endorse Trump?

And in case you don't understand why or want to deny it, it's called ideology. C*******m is a product of liberalism whereas f*****m is a product of conservatism. The difference between us is that Liberals understand that c*******m is a product of their ideology so know to avoid it. Not so with you conservatives who deny that f*****m is an RW ideology and instead try to assign it to liberalism even though when you look at the characteristics of f*****m they are identical to characteristics of conservatism.

You can't avoid the worst that your ideology has to offer by trying to pin it on the other guy.

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crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island

F*****m was initiated by Benito Mussolini. Along with Vladimir Lenin he was a darling of the progressives of the early twentieth century. A group of them took trips to the Soviet Union and came gushing about them. I believe they also went to Italy. to progressives they were both pioneers of the movement.

Mussolini had been a socialist. You can look it up.

PeterS

Okay so I looked it up.

Snip>>>In the 1920s, Mussolini and Giovanni Gentile described their ideology as right-wing in the political essay The Doctrine of F*****m, stating: "We are free to believe that this is the century of authority, a century tending to the 'right,' a f*****t century."

And I couldn't find a connection between Mussolini and Lenin but there was between Stalin: Similarities: • Both opposed liberalism; supported powerful government institutions • Gained support in the post-WWI period, directly benefitting from instability and societal unrest caused by the aftermath of the war Fundamental Difference: Mussolini founded an ideology and a movement with himself as the leader; ... (Authoritarianism)

Then there was Hitler who persecuted Jews, C*******ts, Socialists, Liberals, Intellectuals, homosexuals, and anyone who wasn't part of the Arian Right.

Lastly the characteristic of F*****m and Conservatism are virtually the same:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism F*****t regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. F**gs are seen everywhere, as are f**g symbols on clothing and in public displays.

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in f*****t regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; c*******ts; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4. Supremacy of the Military Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

5. Rampant Sexism The governments of f*****t nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under f*****t regimes, traditional g****r roles are made more rigid. Opposition to a******n is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.

6. Controlled Mass Media Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

7. Obsession with National Security Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined Governments in f*****t nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

9. Corporate Power is Protected The industrial and business aristocracy of a f*****t nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

10. Labor Power is Suppressed Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a f*****t government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely or are severely suppressed.

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts F*****t nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment Under f*****t regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in f*****t nations.

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption F*****t regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in f*****t regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

14. F********t E******ns Sometimes e******ns in f*****t nations are a complete sham. Other times e******ns are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control v****g numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. F*****t nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control e******ns.

As I said, this is about Ideology. Liberalism can lead to C*******m. Conservatism WILL lead to F*****m if you don't put the breaks on what you are doing...

crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island

I started a reply but I have realized it's better not to dignify this pack of trash with a response. I suggest you read The Black Book of C*******m. You might learn some t***h.

And, oh yes, PeterS, enlighten readers with your response in our private exchanges about Eric Sandmann & Nathan Phillips.

crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island

And, oh yes PeterS, did any of your sources mention of how Adolf Hitler sent a letter of admiration to your beloved St. Franklin D. Roosevelt?

PeterS

Trash? Name any of the 14 characteristics of f*****m that is also a characteristic of liberalism. How about Nationalism and Militarism? Are we liberals known for being uber-patriotic and can't get enough military? Are we always wanting to intermingle our Christian faith with the government? Boy, none of that separation of church and state for us. Is that what you're trying to say?

As I said, this is 100% about ideology. Yes, c*******m is a l*****t idea and we could go there if we don't put a check on it. This is what you don't get. We know that. And because we know that we can stop it from happening? So how are you going to stop f*****m from happening? Not by denying that it's a characteristic of your ideology. You can't stop something bad from happening when you think it is always the other guy who's responsible for everything bad.

crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island

Every last one of those fourteen characteristics apply to liberalism and have right since its inception. I’ve experienced them myself in college in the 1960s. They were bomb throwers even back then.

Check Amy Schlaes’ book The Common Man where she documents the junket, her word, that progressives took to Moscow & came back gushing over what Lenin was doing. And no matter what your sources say, Mussolini began as a socialist as did his admirer, Hitler. Both of them bought off the industrialists. And BTW, Hitler was an admirer of FDR.

And FYI, here are the seventh through ninth planks of The C*******t Manifesto. You can see where a partnership between the government and industrialists would be endorsed by Marx. And don’t forget, earlier in The Manifesto he stated that the end of private property rights was the goal. Progressives h**e anything beyond their control.

7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.

Barack H. Obama saw nothing wrong with consorting with bomb throwing terrorists like Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn. No Democrat condemned them. No Democrat condemned the A****a and B*M r**ts that should have been called i**********ns.


I could go on & on, PeterS, but these broadsides are just caricatures and straw men that you & your fellow ideologues like to build up and assign to us. Neither you nor any of them are worth it.

crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island

[quote=PeterS]Okay so I looked it up.

Snip>>>In the 1920s, Mussolini and Giovanni Gentile described their ideology as right-wing in the political essay The Doctrine of F*****m, stating: "We are free to believe that this is the century of authority, a century tending to the 'right,' a f*****t century."

And I couldn't find a connection between Mussolini and Lenin but there was between Stalin: Similarities: • Both opposed liberalism; supported powerful government institutions • Gained support in the post-WWI period, directly benefitting from instability and societal unrest caused by the aftermath of the war Fundamental Difference: Mussolini founded an ideology and a movement with himself as the leader; ... (Authoritarianism)

Then there was Hitler who persecuted Jews, C*******ts, Socialists, Liberals, Intellectuals, homosexuals, and anyone who wasn't part of the Arian Right.

Lastly the characteristic of F*****m and Conservatism are virtually the same:
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1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism F*****t regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. F**gs are seen everywhere, as are f**g symbols on clothing and in public displays.

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Patriotism & nationalism are characteristic of all countries.

crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island

[quote=PeterS]Okay so I looked it up.

Snip>>>In the 1920s, Mussolini and Giovanni Gentile described their ideology as right-wing in the political essay The Doctrine of F*****m, stating: "We are free to believe that this is the century of authority, a century tending to the 'right,' a f*****t century."

And I couldn't find a connection between Mussolini and Lenin but there was between Stalin: Similarities: • Both opposed liberalism; supported powerful government institutions • Gained support in the post-WWI period, directly benefitting from instability and societal unrest caused by the aftermath of the war Fundamental Difference: Mussolini founded an ideology and a movement with himself as the leader; ... (Authoritarianism)

Then there was Hitler who persecuted Jews, C*******ts, Socialists, Liberals, Intellectuals, homosexuals, and anyone who wasn't part of the Arian Right.

Lastly the characteristic of F*****m and Conservatism are virtually the same:
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2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in f*****t regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

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People like you seek the silencing of conservatives. Conservatives are being driven off college campuses today.

PeterS

You don't know your ideology and the party that it created do you! Trump is the one who was boasting about Nationalism along with its uber patriotism in no way fits any liberal I ever met. And you are telling me you went to college? I don't believe it. You are too ignorant to have had any education, college or otherwise. I would be surprised if you finished high school.

I've done all I can. Pick up a book on ideology--any book--why don't you and read who you actually are. And if you did go to college and left not knowing what your ideology was then it was a complete waste of every penny you or your parents spent.

PeterS

Oh, I doubt that very much. Conservatives are too ignorant to be on a college campus. If anything is driving the remainder off it's their stupidity and nothing more...

PeterS

You could keep going on? If we liberals are both c*******ts and f*****ts how is it you cons came out so squeaky clean? And since you insist on following a f*****t I would suggest that you haven't managed to avoid your f*****t tendencies, have you?

And an ideologue insists they are right even though they've been shown evidence that they are wrong. Well, I've shown you evidence that you are wrong and you keep insisting that you are right. That would make you the ideologue, not me so at least correct your rhetoric.

As for your evidence...you've shown total disregard for the time period. During the 20's socialism was popular. But you have to remember that C*******ts and Socialists were on Hitler's h**e list along with liberals and intellectuals of all stripes. That very much puts him on the Right, not the Left, as you insist on placing him. All you've done is go through and cherry-pick the bits and pieces that you want to believe and nothing more. It doesn't matter that Mussolini in his own words said that F*****m is a right-wing ideology. No, what matters to you is that you can cherry-pick bits and pieces to link him to Lenin as if that's all it takes to be a liberal! Oh yeah, and Hitler liked FDR. Boy, that bit of hyperbole certainly makes an airtight case, doesn't it?

crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island

I have to congratulate you on your ability to distort matters. Just because Hitler persecuted c*******ts and socialists does NOT put Hitler on the Right. Just as politics can make some very strange bedfellows, it can make for some very strange enemies. When he began his political career, he & his National Socialist Workers Party were opposed by the conservatives. Later on, he bought off the industrialists just as Mussolini did.

As Friedrich Hayek documented in his landmark book, The Road to Serfdom, when students were graduating from German universities, they did not know whether they were c*******ts or n**is.


You scoff at my statement about Hitler's admiration for FDR's work yet you & your rotten ilk constantly throw the P***d B**s and other organizations support for Trump in our faces.

You & your fellow ideologues are such free thinkers including on a******n rights. You all think the very same way.

Sen. Albert Gore, Jr. opposed the mandatory coverage of a******n through taxes. Later, Gore saw the light as came under consideration for the VP slot under Bill & Hill.