We were warned. Shame on us: The Founders vision of government was nothing like what we see now. We seem to have Kings (E O ‘s) and 435 little prince’s and princesses in the House and...

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

The Founders vision of government was nothing like what we see now. We seem to have Kings (E O ‘s) and 435 little prince’s and princesses in the House and 100 Lords in the Senate. Not only are most (over 90%) entrenched for as long as they want they all have bloated staffs that do most of the work. They are no longer representatives of the people but representatives of their own best interests.

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/conventionofstates/2018/05/the-founding-fathers-never-intended-america-to-be-run-by-professional-politicians/

Ricktloml

JFlorio wrote:

The Founders vision of government was nothing like... (show quote)

We may not be quite all the way there yet, but we are moving in that direction...and at a speed that is scary.

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

Ricktloml wrote:

We may not be quite all the way there yet, but we are moving in that direction...and at a speed that is scary.

I h**e to say it but we need term limits. I used to think v****g was the way to enforce term limits but the politicians accrue so much wealth in office the playing field is anything but fair. Almost impossible to unseat an incumbent without wealth and money on your side. Not to mention the corrupt press.

RascalRiley Loc: Somewhere south of Detroit

JFlorio wrote:

I h**e to say it but we need term limits. I used to think v****g was the way to enforce term limits but the politicians accrue so much wealth in office the playing field is anything but fair. Almost impossible to unseat an incumbent without wealth and money on your side. Not to mention the corrupt press.

I agree with everything you say in principle.
Can you see corrupt press on both sides or is only the left prone?

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

RascalRiley wrote:

I agree with everything you say in principle.
Can you see corrupt press on both sides or is only the left prone?

There is corrupt media everywhere. However; the MSM, as it's defined is very far left and pro-Democrat. All you have to do is look up who and how much the members of the MSM donate to. Over 95% who donate to a Political Party from the MSM donate to Democrats. They constantly spin or outright lie, get caught, and no correction. Such as Trumps stupid bloodbath comment. Funny, I heard him say it live, knew exactly what he meant, and new the MSM would lie and twist his words.

crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island

JFlorio wrote:

I h**e to say it but we need term limits. I used to think v****g was the way to enforce term limits but the politicians accrue so much wealth in office the playing field is anything but fair. Almost impossible to unseat an incumbent without wealth and money on your side. Not to mention the corrupt press.

They will be just be replaced by others. In his landmark treatise, The Road to Serfdom, Friedrich Hayek demonstrated how in bureaucracies how it's not cream that rises to the top bu s**t floats. Bureaycrats are rewarded by how many people they screw not the good they do.

WEBCO

RascalRiley wrote:

I agree with everything you say in principle.
Can you see corrupt press on both sides or is only the left prone?

Since all msm supports the left, yes its a left thing

2quick4u Loc: Somewhere in central Tx...

JFlorio wrote:

There is corrupt media everywhere. However; the MSM, as it's defined is very far left and pro-Democrat. All you have to do is look up who and how much the members of the MSM donate to. Over 95% who donate to a Political Party from the MSM donate to Democrats. They constantly spin or outright lie, get caught, and no correction. Such as Trumps stupid bloodbath comment. Funny, I heard him say it live, knew exactly what he meant, and new the MSM would lie and twist his words.

I don't think this is a 'L' or 'R' issue J-it's evil trying to 'F' up anything considered good. Dimocrats aren't smart enough to accomplish this by themselves.. they are just much more accommodating to and/or accepting of (b/c most were already jealous little busy-bodies/slackers and are typically much easier to coerce/corrupt/lead astray) the behaviors we consider 'not good'. Conservatives have a fair share of their own bad characters, too... They are ALL trying to beat us into submission of their selfish wants, desires, and visions of superiority.. which apparently involves lots of pain, misery, and suffering (for the rest of us).

LGB

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

2quick4u wrote:

I don't think this is a 'L' or 'R' issue J-it's ev... (show quote)

Bassman65

JFlorio wrote:

I h**e to say it but we need term limits. I used to think v****g was the way to enforce term limits but the politicians accrue so much wealth in office the playing field is anything but fair. Almost impossible to unseat an incumbent without wealth and money on your side. Not to mention the corrupt press.

I agree totally with you sir

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

Bassman65 wrote:

I agree totally with you sir

Wonttakeitanymore

JFlorio wrote:

The Founders vision of government was nothing like... (show quote)

Makes sense what Jefferson said! Looks like time improve or remove

Ricktloml

2quick4u wrote:

I don't think this is a 'L' or 'R' issue J-it's ev... (show quote)

I was going to "gently disagree" about the problem not being a "left or right" issue. I always thought the overt efforts of the Democrat-C*******t Party to "fundamentally t***sform" this country into another Left-Wing hell-hole, (with themselves in charge) made them obviously anti-American...and the Rebulicans didn't seem to be on that tract. But upon giving the subject a little more thought...isn't standing by/blinding yourself/ignoring the blatant evil occurring around you...actually FACILITATING that evil with inaction...doesn't that make the Republicans close to as bad

wilpharm

JFlorio wrote:

I h**e to say it but we need term limits. I used to think v****g was the way to enforce term limits but the politicians accrue so much wealth in office the playing field is anything but fair. Almost impossible to unseat an incumbent without wealth and money on your side. Not to mention the corrupt press.

Lifetime SCOTUS is especially bulls**t

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

wilpharm wrote:

Lifetime SCOTUS is especially bulls**t

It should be looked at.