straightUp Loc: California

So, here's my solution to the Israel problem... All we need is a government with the balls to carry it out.

1. Assemble an international coalition.
2. Invade the occupied territories... Gaza, West Bank and Golan Heights.
3. Expel all Israeli defense forces and terminate the military occupation of all three territories.
4. Provide humanitarian aid directly to the occupied territories and authorize the Red Cross and Red Crescent to manage it.
5. Find all the hostages, release them and bring Hamas to justice.
6. Establish a new Palestinian state out of the occupied territories adding internationally managed corridors between them.
7. Establish a new international agreement recognizing Israel AND Palestine as a separate states.
8. Maintain a presence of the international coalition to protect Israel from the Islamic Resistance and Palestine from Israel.

So basically, an invasion of the occupied territories and the FORCED establishment of a two-state solution.

Neither the right-wing government in Israel (Likud Party) nor the right-wing government in Gaza (Hamas) have the slightest intention of allowing a two state solution. Hamas wants to destroy Israel and the Likud Party wants to exterminate all Palestinians. Appeasing all sides as Biden is attempting just isn't going to work and Trump's "solution" will be to succumb to the Israeli side and let the Palestinians be slaughtered which is unacceptable.

A coalition would be super easy because every member of the UN except the US has already condemned Israel's aggressions. All it would take is for the US to agree and there could be a military force comprising of US, Arab and European forces that would far outweigh the IDF.

Israel proper will be left alone as long as the government complies but any aggressions by Hamas OR the IDF inside the occupied territories will be met with lethal force. Any airstrikes by the IDF will be considered an act of war and Israeli airfields will be targeted and destroyed.

Agreeing to the terms of the two-state solution will be a condition of the new Palestinian government and if Israel refuses to sign, they will be sanctioned and their alliances voided.

This is the solution the whole world wants to see and it's really a matter of whether or not the U.S. will allow it. I think it's high time we do.

WEBCO

Force two groups of people to do something they don't want to do...you think this makes sense? The two state solution has been turned down 5x by the people of Gaza. They don't want their own separate nation, they want to k**l ALL jews.

Let Isreal solve their terrorist problems, and give them what they need. Isreal will be needed to hopefully keep Iran nuclear weapon free.

Lily

You lie! Hamas has turned down a state when offered. They want all Jews dead. You’re obviously to stupid to understand that and to ignorant of their refusal of a state.

straightUp Loc: California

Yes, I do. Those two groups of people will never stop fighting and they are causing thousands of deaths of innocent people.


The two-state solution has never been turned down by anyone but Israel. Those 5x refusals you are referring to were responses to conditions proposed by Israel that did NOT offer a two-state solution, nor did they offer any reasonable concessions. The offers were designed by Israel to be turned down in an effort to make the Palestinians appear uncooperative. Israel is very good at media manipulation.

You also seem to be unable (or disinterested) in separating the Palestinian people from the Islamic Resistance. The Palestinian people in general only want to be left alone. It's the religiously driven Islamic Resistance (Hamas, Hezbollah, etc...) that wants to destroy Israel and k**l all Jews. Unfortunately, the subhuman treatment they get from Israel has coerced the Palestinian people into electing Hamas to power, but only because Hamas has become their only hope of liberation from Israeli occupation.

This is why I am suggesting an alternative to Hamas. If a coalition of world powers interfered and put Israel back in it's place, the Palestinians would have no need for Hamas.


Israel has been trying to solve their terrorist problems for 70 years without success. This is because Israel itself *IS* the problem. All the terrorism has been a freedom-fighting reaction to Israeli occupation and cruelty.


LOL - What exactly do you think Israel is going to do? We had a better chance of keeping Iran nuclear weapon free with Obama's international arrangement that Trump ripped up because he's such an showboat i***t. If you're thinking we can depend on Israel's military to keep a lid on Iran's supposed nuclear weapons program you have a LOT to learn.

straightUp Loc: California

That's the same garbage WEBCO just dispensed. You must have the same source. lol

I'll tell you the same thing I told him...

1. No, Hamas did not turn down a state. A state was never actually offered. So far, Israel has only offered terms that they KNEW would be unacceptable so that they can make a big deal out of how the Palestinians are not cooperating.

2. What's obvious here is that you're unable (or unwilling) to separate the Palestinian people from Hamas. Hamas is like our own MAGA movement where they only represent a minority of the people in their country. Most of the Palestinians just want to be left alone, which is something Israel is refusing to do.

It's a very common technique for oppressors to demonize an entire population of people by erasing these lines of distinction in order to blend everyone together and characterize them by their worst element.

Lily

What’s obvious here is your stupidity in not seeing multiple polls showing up to almost 3/4s of Gaza people support Hamas.

When these heathens moved into Gaza the former rsdident left a fully functional infrastructure which these ungrateful a*holes destroyed. Nooity and no state for them.

Bassman65

You do know Israel is a nuclear power.

straightUp Loc: California

That's what they say... Although, unlike the U.S., the U.K., France, Russia, India, Pakistan and even China, Israel never registered their supposed weapons according to international agreements during the Cold War.. Big surprise there.

But even if they do have nuclear weapons, how are they going to use them without getting it splattered all over their faces? ALL their enemies are too close.

For their "defense" which is what they call EVERYTHING including their oppression of the Palestinian people, they need conventional weapons. On the surface, it seems Israel has a strong military presence in that regard but they are also a conscription country, which means that unlike most western forces that are 100% voluntary in peacetime and typically expand to many times that size when they encounter war, Israel can't expand at all. They operate at full capacity everyday. What you see now, as they are prove to be incapable of isolating Hamas is the most Israel is capable of.

I h**e to say this because I'm not a fan of theocratic republics but between Israel and Iran, my money is actually on Iran, which may also be a non-reporting nuclear power... We wouldn't know because dumbass Trump decided to rip up an agreement that he didn't even understand, just so that he can impress the most i***tic people in America, his followers.

Israel is super-dependent on the U.S. for defense against a world that is really getting fed up with their BS. Which is why I am suggesting that we leverage our position. Thousands of people, including women and children are being slaughtered and the entire population of Gaza is at risk of starvation and disease as a result of the destruction and the Israeli government has no intention of stopping. We can't continue to wait for Israel to change. This is why I honestly think my suggestion is the right thing to do.

Not just for Palestine, but for Israel.

straightUp Loc: California

I'm aware of that. Perhaps it's YOUR stupidity, hatred or both that prevents you from understanding that Hamas has many facets other than terrorism, they also provide healthcare and education. You probably also choose to ignore the fact that Israel has been violently oppressing the people of Gaza for decades, leaving them to believe that they have to fight to be free.

I think it's incredibly hypocritical for people to make excuses for the violence at our nation's capitol simply because they "imagine" the e******n was being stolen while also chastising the Palestinians for ANY resistance to one of the worst examples of violent oppression in human history.


Those "heathens" have always been there... They didn't just move in. They grew up under the leadership of the more passive PLO and the PA while watching their families being evicted from their homes, imprisoned and tortured and k**led by Israelis for no reason other than h**e and greed. The population is young because most of them die under horrible conditions before they get old. And maybe you don't know this but young people DO lose patience with passive solutions that go nowhere.

What do you think is happening now as Israel continues to bomb the living crap out of a civilian population that they they already have locked up with nowhere to run? Israel is creating a new generation of enemies that's what's happening.

And here you are, little miss prissy, expecting them to be better behaved. Get a brain.

Bassman65

They would use them if their backs are against the wall. It’s estimated they have between 75 to 400 nuclear warheads! You suggestion would not work based on that factor alone, also many including myself believes Israel has the right to exist. History didn’t just start in that region with the birth of Israel, the conflict goes further back than that.

straightUp Loc: California

Again... That's what they say...


My suggestion won't work because of the r****t/religious factors in the U.S. Many here are actually convinced that the End Times are approaching and that the Jews are supposed to drive the Muslims away so they can rebuild the temple and Jesus will come back and convert all the Jews into Christians. Despite the utter ridiculous of such drivel they seriously believe it and politicians here don't want to risk loosing their v**es.

If it wasn't for that, Israel probably wouldn't stand a chance. Even if they have nuclear weapons all they have to do is fire one off and other nuclear powers, such as Russia and China would fire back assuring Israel's destruction.


What makes you think I don't? If you actually read my post instead of just reacting to what you THINK I am saying you would have noticed that I'm referring to a two state solution. If Israel isn't allowed to exists it wouldn't be a two-state solution now, would it?

Why do so many people do this? They argue against a two-state solution and immediately reach for the "Israel has a right to exist" card. It really shows a lack of intelligence.

BTW, I don't believe Israel has a God-given right to exist. I'm calling BS on that fantasy. I defend Israel's right to exist for one reason and one reason only. Since around 1960 we can rest assured that there is a generation of people who were born in Israel and have no other place to call home. THIS is why *I* defend Israel's right to exist despite the fact that it was founded on the heinous acts of terrorism.


The ancient Jewish kingdoms are relics of the past and have ZERO relevancy to the modern world. The Z*****t claim on the land is no more justified than suggesting we give America back the indigenous people that were here first.

And if you know anything about the history... the Jews weren't the first one's in Holy Land either. They invaded the land and shed blood for years before establishing their kingdoms. Eventually, others came along and kicked their assess... What goes around comes around.

But none of that matters now. It's all as they say "ancient history". I mean it's been over 2,000 years for crying out loud. We don't even have reliable methods to confirm the stories.

So as far as I am concerned, the history that matters really only started in the late 19th century when the Z*****ts established a movement to reclaim Palestine (as it WAS called then) by forcing the Arabs off the land through various underhanded legal moves with the Ottoman Empire and turn it into a country for Jews only. These Z*****ts are not even Semitic, they're Indo-European Jews. It's the Arabs that are in fact Semitic along with the original Jews.

Just to be clear, I am specifically anti-Z*****t and harbor no ill feelings toward Jewish people in general. In fact I stand with the ultra-orthodox Jews that are vehemently protesting Israel's actions because they think it's an a*********n of Judaism. My conversations with them only confirms in my mind how Israel is really NOT about the "plight of the Jews". It far more about the greed for land and the will to k**l people for it. It's also more about the delusions of the Christian fanatics supporting them.

Sorry, if you don't like what I have to say. But these things need to be said.

Bassman65

You got the right to your opinion, I did read your post, my point was that Israel has nuclear weapons and the 2 state solution died on October 7. That’s my opinion.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

straightUp Loc: California

Fair enough. A lot of what I am expressing is indeed my opinion. But I try to build my arguments on facts.

I'm, just going to point out that reports are still referring to the claim of nuclear weapons as being "widely believed". There would not be any reason for such caution in publishing if there was actual evidence. I don't necessarily doubt the claim, but if it's true it means Israel once again, didn't comply with international law and like I said before, I don't think Israel would survive the consequence of a nuclear exchange.

I think it's also possible that Israel is pretending to be more dangerous than they really are. It would make sense given their history as a modern state, surrounded by nations that aren't too pleased with them.

As for the two-state solution dying on October 7... I know many people feel the way you do but as an American, I have watched my elected government surround a city of 5 million people and bomb the hell out of it for 6 days k*****g over 6,000 civilians. I never asked my government to do that. So, I also understand that it's possible not every Palestinian was behind the attacks on October 7.

And yet, they're being slaughtered anyway.
That part is not an opinion, it's very much a fact,