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Mar 15, 2024 21:32:20   #
NotMAGA Loc: Upstate NY - in a very red county
 
"...having Wade leave will ensure the case continues without further delay."

This is the best one to keep going. It will - presumably - be available for anyone who wants to watch. Georgia televises their court proceedings.
It will be much harder for biased s.DJ supporters OR detractors to spin or lie about what or how testimony was given, by him or anyone else taking the stand.

Should be interesting. The only time he doesn't lie is when he keeps his mouth shut

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Mar 15, 2024 21:37:58   #
LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago
 
Troll alert

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Mar 15, 2024 21:45:07   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
NotMAGA wrote:
"...having Wade leave will ensure the case continues without further delay."

This is the best one to keep going. It will - presumably - be available for anyone who wants to watch. Georgia televises their court proceedings.
It will be much harder for biased s.DJ supporters OR detractors to spin or lie about what or how testimony was given, by him or anyone else taking the stand.

Should be interesting. The only time he doesn't lie is when he keeps his mouth shut


That maybe true that case goes on, but her reputation is shot!

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Mar 15, 2024 21:48:41   #
Strycker Loc: The middle of somewhere else.
 
NotMAGA wrote:
"...having Wade leave will ensure the case continues without further delay."

This is the best one to keep going. It will - presumably - be available for anyone who wants to watch. Georgia televises their court proceedings.
It will be much harder for biased s.DJ supporters OR detractors to spin or lie about what or how testimony was given, by him or anyone else taking the stand.

Should be interesting. The only time he doesn't lie is when he keeps his mouth shut


Long way to go before the fat lady sings.

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Mar 15, 2024 22:13:25   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
NotMAGA wrote:
"...having Wade leave will ensure the case continues without further delay."

This is the best one to keep going. It will - presumably - be available for anyone who wants to watch. Georgia televises their court proceedings.
It will be much harder for biased s.DJ supporters OR detractors to spin or lie about what or how testimony was given, by him or anyone else taking the stand.

Should be interesting. The only time he doesn't lie is when he keeps his mouth shut


BTW, it's NOT Dani, it's Fani

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Mar 15, 2024 22:16:30   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
NotMAGA wrote:
"...having Wade leave will ensure the case continues without further delay."

This is the best one to keep going. It will - presumably - be available for anyone who wants to watch. Georgia televises their court proceedings.
It will be much harder for biased s.DJ supporters OR detractors to spin or lie about what or how testimony was given, by him or anyone else taking the stand.

Should be interesting. The only time he doesn't lie is when he keeps his mouth shut


You, and The Don have a lot in common, Ma'am.

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Mar 15, 2024 22:19:59   #
NotMAGA Loc: Upstate NY - in a very red county
 
proud republican wrote:
BTW, it's NOT Dani, it's Fani


Thanks. Didn't proofread it - D next to F

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Mar 15, 2024 22:22:07   #
NotMAGA Loc: Upstate NY - in a very red county
 
archie bunker wrote:
You, and The Don have a lot in common, Ma'am.


I'm not a DJ supporter so it doesn't come naturally to me.

But the nastiness is starting to rub off. Might have to take a few days off from OPP to recover.

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Mar 15, 2024 22:58:18   #
NotMAGA Loc: Upstate NY - in a very red county
 
proud republican wrote:
That maybe true that case goes on, but her reputation is shot!


It certainly didn't elevate her standing any. And since she isn't DJ, it's tough to say how it will affect her future career, or whether it will hurt her prosecution of the case.

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Mar 16, 2024 15:43:30   #
Justice101
 
NotMAGA wrote:
It certainly didn't elevate her standing any. And since she isn't DJ, it's tough to say how it will affect her future career, or whether it will hurt her prosecution of the case.



Trump is the true winner in the decision on Fani Willis in the Georgia case
Sam Levine
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/15/fani-willis-case-analysis-trump-georgia

Fani Willis may have survived a high-stakes effort to disqualify her from prosecuting the high-stakes e******n i**********e case in Georgia. But the biggest winner from the episode is likely Donald Trump.

The Fulton county district attorney can now continue prosecuting her case against Trump and 14 co-defendants as long as Nathan Wade, a top deputy with whom she had a romantic relationship with, resigns, Fulton county superior court judge Scott McAfee ruled on Friday. Wade did just that a few hours later.

But both the opinion and the extraordinary hearing that preceded it lends a hugely significant judicial imprimatur to Trump’s successful effort to diminish Willis’ credibility in the public eye.

Trump and his co-defendants have waged a successful campaign to diminish the perception of her – puncturing her reputation as an impartial prosecutor seeking justice and instead offering up the image of a flawed public official whose romantic feelings led to a lapse in judgment.

Friday’s developments are extremely significant. The Georgia case has long been considered one of the strongest against Trump. Unlike the two criminal cases being pursued by the justice department, it is also insulated from any direct interference by Trump should he win the 2024 e******n since he cannot dismiss the prosecutor or pardon himself in Georgia, even if he occupies the White House.

McAfee, who is also running to keep his seat on the bench, excoriated Willis for starting a financial relationship with someone she was supervising, calling it a “tremendous lapse in judgment”. And even if there’s no evidence she financially benefitted from their relationship, the financial relationship in which the two roughly split expenses and Willis paid Wade in cash for vacations with no records to back it up could lead a reasonable observer to believe there was a conflict.

“She further allowed the regular and loose exchange of money between them without any exact or verifiable measure of reconciliation. This lack of a confirmed financial split creates the possibility and appearance that the district attorney benefited – albeit non-materially – from a contract whose award lay solely within her purview and policing,” he wrote. “An outsider could reasonably think that the district attorney is not exercising her independent professional judgment totally free of any compromising influences.”


Legally, the appearance of a conflict can be cured by Wade stepping aside, McAfee ruled. But politically, Trump is already working to make sure that’s not the case and the damage lingers.

Trump has suggested that Wade and Willis cooked up the scheme to indict him from the start. Even though this is patently false – the case was indicted by a regular grand jury of Fulton county citizens after an investigation by a special purpose grand jury – it is a clear attempt to permanently link Wade to wh**ever happens in the case.

Even while Willis is set to continue on the case, more trouble lies ahead. The state legislature is already taking steps to investigate her. A new state panel empowered to remove district attorneys can also take action. The state bar and the state ethics commission could also take action against her.

“Georgia law does not permit the finding of an actual conflict for simply making bad choices – even repeatedly – and it is the trial court’s duty to confine itself to the relevant issues and applicable law properly brought before it,” McAfee wrote. “Other forums or sources of authority such as the general assembly, the Georgia state ethics commission, the state bar of Georgia, the Fulton county board of commissioners, or the v**ers of Fulton county may offer feedback on any unanswered questions that linger.”

Steve Sadow, an attorney for Trump, has already suggested he will appeal the ruling. Even if McAfee’s decision is upheld by higher Georgia courts, the episode gives Trump another avenue to continue to try and d**g out the case and try and undermine any potential future conviction.

“Her troubles are far from over,” wrote Clark Cunningham, an ethics expert and law professor at Georgia State University, in an email.

“Trump and his co-defendants will surely appeal and Judge McAfee’s order gives plenty of basis for them to argue to the court of appeals that just removing Wade is an inadequate remedy for what Judge McAfee calls ‘an odor of mendacity’,” he wrote. “Governor Kemp signed Georgia Act 368 on March 13 putting Georgia’s prosecuting attorneys qualifications commission back in business and the commission could move swiftly to exercise its power to remove her from office.”

If appellate courts also don’t review McAfee’s ruling before trial, there’s also the possibility of using the ruling to challenge any potential guilty verdict down the line, Cunningham said.

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Mar 16, 2024 19:30:06   #
NotMAGA Loc: Upstate NY - in a very red county
 
Justice101 wrote:
Trump is the true winner in the decision on Fani Willis in the Georgia case
Sam Levine
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/15/fani-willis-case-analysis-trump-georgia

Fani Willis may have survived a high-stakes effort to disqualify her from prosecuting the high-stakes e******n i**********e case in Georgia. But the biggest winner from the episode is likely Donald Trump.

The Fulton county district attorney can now continue prosecuting her case against Trump and 14 co-defendants as long as Nathan Wade, a top deputy with whom she had a romantic relationship with, resigns, Fulton county superior court judge Scott McAfee ruled on Friday. Wade did just that a few hours later.

But both the opinion and the extraordinary hearing that preceded it lends a hugely significant judicial imprimatur to Trump’s successful effort to diminish Willis’ credibility in the public eye.

Trump and his co-defendants have waged a successful campaign to diminish the perception of her – puncturing her reputation as an impartial prosecutor seeking justice and instead offering up the image of a flawed public official whose romantic feelings led to a lapse in judgment.

Friday’s developments are extremely significant. The Georgia case has long been considered one of the strongest against Trump. Unlike the two criminal cases being pursued by the justice department, it is also insulated from any direct interference by Trump should he win the 2024 e******n since he cannot dismiss the prosecutor or pardon himself in Georgia, even if he occupies the White House.

McAfee, who is also running to keep his seat on the bench, excoriated Willis for starting a financial relationship with someone she was supervising, calling it a “tremendous lapse in judgment”. And even if there’s no evidence she financially benefitted from their relationship, the financial relationship in which the two roughly split expenses and Willis paid Wade in cash for vacations with no records to back it up could lead a reasonable observer to believe there was a conflict.

“She further allowed the regular and loose exchange of money between them without any exact or verifiable measure of reconciliation. This lack of a confirmed financial split creates the possibility and appearance that the district attorney benefited – albeit non-materially – from a contract whose award lay solely within her purview and policing,” he wrote. “An outsider could reasonably think that the district attorney is not exercising her independent professional judgment totally free of any compromising influences.”


Legally, the appearance of a conflict can be cured by Wade stepping aside, McAfee ruled. But politically, Trump is already working to make sure that’s not the case and the damage lingers.

Trump has suggested that Wade and Willis cooked up the scheme to indict him from the start. Even though this is patently false – the case was indicted by a regular grand jury of Fulton county citizens after an investigation by a special purpose grand jury – it is a clear attempt to permanently link Wade to wh**ever happens in the case.

Even while Willis is set to continue on the case, more trouble lies ahead. The state legislature is already taking steps to investigate her. A new state panel empowered to remove district attorneys can also take action. The state bar and the state ethics commission could also take action against her.

“Georgia law does not permit the finding of an actual conflict for simply making bad choices – even repeatedly – and it is the trial court’s duty to confine itself to the relevant issues and applicable law properly brought before it,” McAfee wrote. “Other forums or sources of authority such as the general assembly, the Georgia state ethics commission, the state bar of Georgia, the Fulton county board of commissioners, or the v**ers of Fulton county may offer feedback on any unanswered questions that linger.”

Steve Sadow, an attorney for Trump, has already suggested he will appeal the ruling. Even if McAfee’s decision is upheld by higher Georgia courts, the episode gives Trump another avenue to continue to try and d**g out the case and try and undermine any potential future conviction.

“Her troubles are far from over,” wrote Clark Cunningham, an ethics expert and law professor at Georgia State University, in an email.

“Trump and his co-defendants will surely appeal and Judge McAfee’s order gives plenty of basis for them to argue to the court of appeals that just removing Wade is an inadequate remedy for what Judge McAfee calls ‘an odor of mendacity’,” he wrote. “Governor Kemp signed Georgia Act 368 on March 13 putting Georgia’s prosecuting attorneys qualifications commission back in business and the commission could move swiftly to exercise its power to remove her from office.”

If appellate courts also don’t review McAfee’s ruling before trial, there’s also the possibility of using the ruling to challenge any potential guilty verdict down the line, Cunningham said.
Trump is the true winner in the decision on Fani W... (show quote)


"But politically, Trump is already working to make sure that’s not the case and the damage lingers."

Of course he is. And this was the one case that he can't wriggle out of by pardoning himself if he does win in November.

It's starting to feel 'like deja vu all over again' to quite Yogi.
Totally reminds me of 2016. I didn't v**e for Hillary but she would have been better than DJ.

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Mar 16, 2024 19:47:38   #
Justice101
 
NotMAGA wrote:
"But politically, Trump is already working to make sure that’s not the case and the damage lingers."

Of course he is. And this was the one case that he can't wriggle out of by pardoning himself if he does win in November.

It's starting to feel 'like deja vu all over again' to quite Yogi.
Totally reminds me of 2016. I didn't v**e for Hillary but she would have been better than DJ.


The Judge in Georgia was trying to appease both sides by dropping several charges against Trump and his codefendants in advance of his recent decision allowing Willis or Wade to stay on the case. The phone call was the core of her RICO case and charges associated with it were dropped. Trump's lawyers were pleased.

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Mar 16, 2024 19:58:21   #
Rose42
 
NotMAGA wrote:
I'm not a DJ supporter so it doesn't come naturally to me.


Comments like that indicate it does.


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Mar 16, 2024 20:31:23   #
NotMAGA Loc: Upstate NY - in a very red county
 
Rose42 wrote:
Comments like that indicate it does.



Succumbing to temptation to "join the crowd" here.

At that, some sarcasm and snark is, if I may say, pretty mild compared to some of the epithets being used by the DJ fans.

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Mar 16, 2024 22:21:33   #
Rose42
 
NotMAGA wrote:
Succumbing to temptation to "join the crowd" here.

At that, some sarcasm and snark is, if I may say, pretty mild compared to some of the epithets being used by the DJ fans.


Its the underlying intent that is unmistakable. And calling people magats is no better than using foul language

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