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Mar 1, 2024 15:18:52   #
Wonttakeitanymore
 
NotMAGA wrote:
It sure is. An invasion by MAGAts (as opposed to real Republicans).


We are the real republicans

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Mar 1, 2024 15:19:50   #
Wonttakeitanymore
 
NotMAGA wrote:
No one in the MAGA group here seems willing to
A) Read the Constitution
or
B) admit that it says exactly what Joe Biden SAYS it does: that, except for a couple very rare instances, CONGRESS is the only branch of government that has any authority to do anything about immigration and the border.


Example? Ignores the body that embodies the constitution! Supreme Court!!

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Mar 1, 2024 15:22:35   #
pegw
 
NotMAGA wrote:
Biden CALLED ON TRUMP (!) to join him in asking Congress to pass wide-ranging border security legislation negotiated by a team of Democratic and Republican senators, which the House GOP REJECTED AT TRUMP'S URGING (!)

“Instead of playing politics with the issue, why don’t we just get together and get it done?” Biden said from Brownsville, in Texas’ Rio Grande Valley

In his remarks at the Brownsville Border Patrol Station, Biden said officials desperately need more resources to secure the border. The legislation k**led by House Republicans included funding to hire additional border patrol agents and buy additional security inspection technology and equipment.


WHY THEY COME:
“You have the United States in a moment of relative domestic stability with more job openings than workers,” Isacson said. “Throughout the region, you have economies that haven’t crawled out of the crater C***D left. You have repressive governments, c*****e c****e and gangs running rampant. You also have a broken U.S. asylum system where you can claim fear and be here for four or five years.”

IMMIGRANTS DOUBLED UNDER TRUMP TOO - UNTIL HE WAS ABLE TO INVOKE HEALTH LAW TO STOP IT
"The number of migrants arriving at the U.S. border dipped in the first year of the Trump administration before climbing again in 2018 and more than doubling in 2019. The C****-** p******c, when travel was restricted across the western hemisphere, depressed migration in 2020 and apprehensions at the U.S. border plummeted."

C***D HELPED TRUMP. END OF P******C RULES, JOB OPENINGS IN US STARTED THE CURRENT SURGE
...as the p******c waned and regional economies remained in distress, people began heading to the U.S. border in record numbers.

...AND THIS is why CONGRESS needs to PASS A BILL!!
U.S. District Judge David Alan Ezra on Thursday preliminarily prevented Texas from enforcing a law that would make it a state crime to cross the Texas-Mexico border. In his order granting an injunction, Ezra said “states may not exercise immigration enforcement power except as authorized by the federal government.”
“Surges in immigration do not constitute an ‘invasion’ within the meaning of the Constitution, nor is Texas engaging in war by enforcing SB4,” Ezra said in the order.
READ THE CONSTITUTION! KNOW WHAT IT SAYS!
“To allow Texas to permanently supersede federal directives on the basis of an invasion would amount to nullification of federal law and authority – a notion that is antithetical to the Constitution and has been unequivocally rejected by federal courts since the Civil War,” he said.
Biden CALLED ON TRUMP (!) to join him in asking Co... (show quote)


We need the border bill now stuck in Congress due to Trump's insane self indulgent wish that he should do it. I don't want to wait for this.

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Mar 1, 2024 15:24:59   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
NotMAGA wrote:
No one in the MAGA group here seems willing to
A) Read the Constitution
or
B) admit that it says exactly what Joe Biden SAYS it does: that, except for a couple very rare instances, CONGRESS is the only branch of government that has any authority to do anything about immigration and the border.

It is no surprise you are "NotMAGA".
Congress can pass border security laws and open the purse strings to fund them,
but it is the Executive Branch that enforces them.

Under the Trump administration, i*****l i*********n was the lowest it had been in 45 years,
now it is higher than it has ever been.

An Immigration Crisis Beyond Imagining

Subcommittee Chairman McClintock Opening Remarks:
Hearing on the Biden Border Crisis: Exploitation of Unaccompanied Alien Children

On Inauguration Day, our Border was secure. The Remain in Mexico policy had slowed i*****l i*********n to a trickle, court-ordered deportations were being enforced and the Border Wall was nearing completion. By the afternoon of that day, Joe Biden had reversed these policies, producing the largest illegal mass migration in history.

In the last 27 months, they have deliberately admitted two million i*****l a***ns into our country, a population larger than the state of Nebraska. And while the Border Patrol was overwhelmed, another 1.5 million known gotaways have entered as well. That is an additional illegal population larger than the entire state of Hawaii.

The Trump policies slowed encounters of unaccompanied children to 33,000 – the lowest level in eight years. In the last fiscal year, a record 152,000 came across. That’s almost a five fold increase.

Biden had exactly the same tools available to him as Trump. It should be obvious that this is a deliberate policy that ignores not only the welfare of Americans but that of the migrant children as well.

On a border trip last year, I asked a CBP officer how to stop the trafficking of children into this country. His answer was immediate: get them safely home. He said, the cartels charge thousands of dollars to traffic these children and they don’t give refunds. The moment children are returned home, their business will dry up. In another border trip, I was shocked to learn that no effort is made to get these children back to their homes, and very little effort is made vetting the so-called sponsors of these children and very little interest in following up on their welfare once they are abandoned to these so-called sponsors.

What happens to them? The administration’s response is basically, “don’t-know-don’t care.” But a recent New York Times investigation sheds some light on this question. After they get to the U.S., many are forced by their so-called sponsors into dangerous jobs with f**e identity documents. Earlier this year, a sanitation company employing over 100 i*****l a***n children in jobs in slaughterhouses and meatpacking plants in the Midwest, paid 1.5 million in civil penalties after a federal court found that these children were using “caustic chemicals to clean razor-sharp saws” and “working overnight shifts.”

In one of the great ironies of bill-titles, the Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act of 2008 makes this possible. While Children from Mexico and Canada are immediately sent safely home, all others are admitted. That’s a tremendous incentive to send unaccompanied children to the border.

In 2014, even the Obama Administration recognized the danger and asked Congress to provide it with “additional authority to exercise discretion in processing the return and removal of unaccompanied minor children from non-contiguous countries like Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador.” The House passed a bill to do just that, but Senate Democrats blocked it.

The Trump Administration was able to staunch the flow with new and strict requirements to ensure the safety of these children once placed with a sponsor, as well as Title 42 expulsion authority.

However, in 2021, the Biden Administration dismantled Trump-era requirements to vet sponsors and perform background checks for individuals in the sponsor household, many of whom are involved in smuggling the children in the first place. And the Biden Administration stopped subjecting them to Title 42.

We now know that the administration has simply lost track of over 85,000 of these children. In September 2022, Axios reported that “roughly one-in-three follow-up calls made to released migrant kids or their sponsors between January and May went unanswered.”

Don’t-know-don’t-care. According to the New York Times, the cabinet secretary responsible for these children, Xavier Becerra, likened the sponsor placement process to an assembly line that wasn’t moving fast enough. He complained “if Henry Ford had seen this in his plant, he would have never become famous and rich. This is not the way you do an assembly line.”

Last week this Committee approved a bill that would help stop this tragedy by returning these children safely home – as we already do for children coming from Mexico or Canada. No Democrats supported our bill. I am hopeful that after hearing the testimony of our witnesses, our colleagues will rethink their opposition to the long-overdue reform.

And although we are focusing today on young and vulnerable children, we should note that a large portion of so-called unaccompanied children are late teenagers, or young men claiming to be minors. That’s a subject for another day.




The belief that our Constitution says exactly what Creepy Joe says it does is like the Bible saying exactly what an atheist says it does.

Have you successfully completed any or all of the following courses?
Introduction to the Constitution,
Constitution 101: The Meaning and History of the Constitution,
The U.S. Supreme Court,
The Federalist Papers,
The Presidency and the Constitution,
Congress: How It Worked and Why It Doesn’t
Constitution 201: The Progressive Rejection of the Founding and the Rise of Bureaucratic Despotism.

If not, don't tell this MAGA to "read the Constitution".

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Mar 1, 2024 15:35:16   #
LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago
 
NotMAGA wrote:
Biden CALLED ON TRUMP (!) to join him in asking Congress to pass wide-ranging border security legislation negotiated by a team of Democratic and Republican senators, which the House GOP REJECTED AT TRUMP'S URGING (!)

“Instead of playing politics with the issue, why don’t we just get together and get it done?” Biden said from Brownsville, in Texas’ Rio Grande Valley

In his remarks at the Brownsville Border Patrol Station, Biden said officials desperately need more resources to secure the border. The legislation k**led by House Republicans included funding to hire additional border patrol agents and buy additional security inspection technology and equipment.


WHY THEY COME:
“You have the United States in a moment of relative domestic stability with more job openings than workers,” Isacson said. “Throughout the region, you have economies that haven’t crawled out of the crater C***D left. You have repressive governments, c*****e c****e and gangs running rampant. You also have a broken U.S. asylum system where you can claim fear and be here for four or five years.”

IMMIGRANTS DOUBLED UNDER TRUMP TOO - UNTIL HE WAS ABLE TO INVOKE HEALTH LAW TO STOP IT
"The number of migrants arriving at the U.S. border dipped in the first year of the Trump administration before climbing again in 2018 and more than doubling in 2019. The C****-** p******c, when travel was restricted across the western hemisphere, depressed migration in 2020 and apprehensions at the U.S. border plummeted."

C***D HELPED TRUMP. END OF P******C RULES, JOB OPENINGS IN US STARTED THE CURRENT SURGE
...as the p******c waned and regional economies remained in distress, people began heading to the U.S. border in record numbers.

...AND THIS is why CONGRESS needs to PASS A BILL!!
U.S. District Judge David Alan Ezra on Thursday preliminarily prevented Texas from enforcing a law that would make it a state crime to cross the Texas-Mexico border. In his order granting an injunction, Ezra said “states may not exercise immigration enforcement power except as authorized by the federal government.”
“Surges in immigration do not constitute an ‘invasion’ within the meaning of the Constitution, nor is Texas engaging in war by enforcing SB4,” Ezra said in the order.
READ THE CONSTITUTION! KNOW WHAT IT SAYS!
“To allow Texas to permanently supersede federal directives on the basis of an invasion would amount to nullification of federal law and authority – a notion that is antithetical to the Constitution and has been unequivocally rejected by federal courts since the Civil War,” he said.
Biden CALLED ON TRUMP (!) to join him in asking Co... (show quote)


It would take someone really stupid to suggest or pass a border bill that guarantees 5000 i******s a day would be allowed into America. That is 1,825,000 i******s a year. And to say that fixes the border shows nothing more then a 3rd grade mentality.

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Mar 1, 2024 15:37:24   #
LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago
 
NotMAGA wrote:
The difference between these two is that Joe is willing to work with someone who denigrates and insults him on a daily basis if it will HELP the American people. DJ would rather have SOMEthing he can point to that he SAYS is Biden's fault.

But is it? Really?

They said what they said. Trump got the bill k**led. DJ owns this now - unless he's willing to work WITH Biden to fix it.

It's the Pottery Barn rule

"You break it, you own it "

I know who I'd bet on.
The difference between these two is that Joe is wi... (show quote)


Do you realize how stupid that whole post makes you look? Just askin'. Me, I just love pointing out such absurdity.

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Mar 1, 2024 15:38:51   #
LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago
 
NotMAGA wrote:
READ THE CONSTITUTION. KNOW WHAT IT SAYS.
Joe does.

(Caps are for emphasis, do not indicate shouting)


Biden CALLED ON TRUMP (!) to join him in asking Congress to pass wide-ranging border security legislation negotiated by a team of Democratic and Republican senators, which the House GOP REJECTED AT TRUMP'S URGING (!)

Anyone want to bet whether DJ will take him up on it?


***(Caps are for emphasis, do not indicate shouting)
>>>No, they indicate shouting. Especially in this case.

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Mar 1, 2024 15:43:49   #
LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago
 
NotMAGA wrote:
No one in the MAGA group here seems willing to
A) Read the Constitution
or
B) admit that it says exactly what Joe Biden SAYS it does: that, except for a couple very rare instances, CONGRESS is the only branch of government that has any authority to do anything about immigration and the border.


*** admit that it says exactly what Joe Biden SAYS it does: that, except for a couple very rare instances, CONGRESS is the only branch of government that has any authority to do anything about immigration and the border.
>>>So the AH biden had no authority to open the border and welcome in all of those i******s. Thanks for clearing that up.

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Mar 1, 2024 15:46:50   #
LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago
 
NotMAGA wrote:
Because - if you'd read the entire post you would know this - the reason DJ was able to close it "health, during a p******c" no longer existed after s certain point in time.

And - again, if you read the entire post you might understand this too - what's happening is not considered an "invasion" as the Constitution means it. Almost any judge in the country, even DJs pet Justices, would say the same.


***if you read the entire post you might understand this too - what's happening is not considered an "invasion" as the Constitution means it. Almost any judge in the country, even DJs pet Justices, would say the same.
>>>But real Americans see it as in invasion and they are right. If you were one, you might understand that simple fact.

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Mar 1, 2024 15:48:39   #
LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago
 
EmilyD wrote:
I think at least five, lol! Trolls are becoming fairly sophisticated now. It's possible to become a "polyamorous" troll - one with many usernames...(also called sock puppets). It's considered a form of "c***ting" and trolls like to use it to confuse the regular posters. It may be we have one of those.. It could also be a "troll community" - a bunch of trolls who "act" the same way - say the same things - to make it look like there are a lot of like-minded posters. They have a "leader" (critics call their "pimp") who pays them, and they all go and infest sites he wants them to infest. Who knows.... It's the internet! 🥸

..
I think at least five, lol! Trolls are becoming fa... (show quote)


Well said and analyzed.

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Mar 1, 2024 15:54:04   #
LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago
 
pegw wrote:
We need the border bill now stuck in Congress due to Trump's insane self indulgent wish that he should do it. I don't want to wait for this.


Of course you must mean the one the House sent to the Senate about a year ago the Chucky Shoo Mare buried and not that phony POS bill the Senate threw together to permanently enable the democrats horrible policies of invading America with i******s. Please tell us that you are stupid enough to want Chucky Shoo Mares monstrosity.

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Mar 1, 2024 16:28:51   #
EmilyD
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
It is no surprise you are "NotMAGA".
Congress can pass border security laws and open the purse strings to fund them,
but it is the Executive Branch that enforces them.

Under the Trump administration, i*****l i*********n was the lowest it had been in 45 years,
now it is higher than it has ever been.

An Immigration Crisis Beyond Imagining

Subcommittee Chairman McClintock Opening Remarks:
Hearing on the Biden Border Crisis: Exploitation of Unaccompanied Alien Children

On Inauguration Day, our Border was secure. The Remain in Mexico policy had slowed i*****l i*********n to a trickle, court-ordered deportations were being enforced and the Border Wall was nearing completion. By the afternoon of that day, Joe Biden had reversed these policies, producing the largest illegal mass migration in history.

In the last 27 months, they have deliberately admitted two million i*****l a***ns into our country, a population larger than the state of Nebraska. And while the Border Patrol was overwhelmed, another 1.5 million known gotaways have entered as well. That is an additional illegal population larger than the entire state of Hawaii.

The Trump policies slowed encounters of unaccompanied children to 33,000 – the lowest level in eight years. In the last fiscal year, a record 152,000 came across. That’s almost a five fold increase.

Biden had exactly the same tools available to him as Trump. It should be obvious that this is a deliberate policy that ignores not only the welfare of Americans but that of the migrant children as well.

On a border trip last year, I asked a CBP officer how to stop the trafficking of children into this country. His answer was immediate: get them safely home. He said, the cartels charge thousands of dollars to traffic these children and they don’t give refunds. The moment children are returned home, their business will dry up. In another border trip, I was shocked to learn that no effort is made to get these children back to their homes, and very little effort is made vetting the so-called sponsors of these children and very little interest in following up on their welfare once they are abandoned to these so-called sponsors.

What happens to them? The administration’s response is basically, “don’t-know-don’t care.” But a recent New York Times investigation sheds some light on this question. After they get to the U.S., many are forced by their so-called sponsors into dangerous jobs with f**e identity documents. Earlier this year, a sanitation company employing over 100 i*****l a***n children in jobs in slaughterhouses and meatpacking plants in the Midwest, paid 1.5 million in civil penalties after a federal court found that these children were using “caustic chemicals to clean razor-sharp saws” and “working overnight shifts.”

In one of the great ironies of bill-titles, the Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act of 2008 makes this possible. While Children from Mexico and Canada are immediately sent safely home, all others are admitted. That’s a tremendous incentive to send unaccompanied children to the border.

In 2014, even the Obama Administration recognized the danger and asked Congress to provide it with “additional authority to exercise discretion in processing the return and removal of unaccompanied minor children from non-contiguous countries like Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador.” The House passed a bill to do just that, but Senate Democrats blocked it.

The Trump Administration was able to staunch the flow with new and strict requirements to ensure the safety of these children once placed with a sponsor, as well as Title 42 expulsion authority.

However, in 2021, the Biden Administration dismantled Trump-era requirements to vet sponsors and perform background checks for individuals in the sponsor household, many of whom are involved in smuggling the children in the first place. And the Biden Administration stopped subjecting them to Title 42.

We now know that the administration has simply lost track of over 85,000 of these children. In September 2022, Axios reported that “roughly one-in-three follow-up calls made to released migrant kids or their sponsors between January and May went unanswered.”

Don’t-know-don’t-care. According to the New York Times, the cabinet secretary responsible for these children, Xavier Becerra, likened the sponsor placement process to an assembly line that wasn’t moving fast enough. He complained “if Henry Ford had seen this in his plant, he would have never become famous and rich. This is not the way you do an assembly line.”

Last week this Committee approved a bill that would help stop this tragedy by returning these children safely home – as we already do for children coming from Mexico or Canada. No Democrats supported our bill. I am hopeful that after hearing the testimony of our witnesses, our colleagues will rethink their opposition to the long-overdue reform.

And although we are focusing today on young and vulnerable children, we should note that a large portion of so-called unaccompanied children are late teenagers, or young men claiming to be minors. That’s a subject for another day.




The belief that our Constitution says exactly what Creepy Joe says it does is like the Bible saying exactly what an atheist says it does.

Have you successfully completed any or all of the following courses?
Introduction to the Constitution,
Constitution 101: The Meaning and History of the Constitution,
The U.S. Supreme Court,
The Federalist Papers,
The Presidency and the Constitution,
Congress: How It Worked and Why It Doesn’t
Constitution 201: The Progressive Rejection of the Founding and the Rise of Bureaucratic Despotism.

If not, don't tell this MAGA to "read the Constitution".
It is no surprise you are "NotMAGA". br ... (show quote)


Wow....thanks for the links, Blade! That's a whole semester on the Constitution!!
👍👍👍

..

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Mar 1, 2024 16:34:14   #
dbirch
 
NotMAGA wrote:
The difference between these two is that Joe is willing to work with someone who denigrates and insults him on a daily basis if it will HELP the American people. DJ would rather have SOMEthing he can point to that he SAYS is Biden's fault.

But is it? Really?

They said what they said. Trump got the bill k**led. DJ owns this now - unless he's willing to work WITH Biden to fix it.

It's the Pottery Barn rule

"You break it, you own it "

I know who I'd bet on.
The difference between these two is that Joe is wi... (show quote)


I don't think Trump has a problem fixing the border invasion.

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Mar 1, 2024 16:45:42   #
EmilyD
 
LogicallyRight wrote:
Well said and analyzed.

ty 🙂

Trolls can shut down a website if they get nasty enough. People get mostly bored of them and leave the site....but in one case I know of, because I was a member, a troll infiltrated the entire site with pornography. Every topic, and every subcategory had porn posted...the owner couldn't keep up with the troll and eventually had to shut the whole site down and buy a new platform. Imo, OPP has at least three or four professional trolls. They're fairly easy to spot, but they're getting better at "hiding" themselves on forums.

..

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Mar 1, 2024 20:57:04   #
Big dog
 
NotMAGA wrote:
READ THE CONSTITUTION. KNOW WHAT IT SAYS.
Joe does.

(Caps are for emphasis, do not indicate shouting)


Biden CALLED ON TRUMP (!) to join him in asking Congress to pass wide-ranging border security legislation negotiated by a team of Democratic and Republican senators, which the House GOP REJECTED AT TRUMP'S URGING (!)

Anyone want to bet whether DJ will take him up on it?


You sound remarkably like a c*******t troll with the soul intent on dividing the USA 🇺🇸

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