Donald Trump is Right about NATO
Feb 21, 2024 13:20:47 #
Donald Trump is Right about NATO
By: Steve McCann
As he is wont to do, Donald Trump caused heads to explode among the American political establishment and legacy media when he recalled an encounter he had with an unnamed president “of a big country” regarding the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO). In Trump’s telling, the leader asked him, “Well sir, if we don’t pay and we’re attacked by Russia, will you protect us?” Trump answered by saying: “No, I would not protect you. In fact, I would encourage them to do wh**ever the hell they want. You gotta pay.”
Almost immediately, an avalanche of shopworn accusations of Trump being a Putin sycophant determined to surrender Europe to the tender mercies of a rampaging Russia filled the airwaves and saturated the internet allowing the Democrats and their mouthpieces in the legacy media to reprise the long-debunked Russia collusion h**x of 2016-17.
Apparently, Trump also stunned many European leaders and much of the European media. So much so that the New York Times ran an article titled “An Outburst by Trump on NATO May Push Europe to Go It Alone” as more European leaders are now quietly discussing among themselves how they might prepare for the possibility that America removes itself from being the centerpiece of the alliance.
The leaders of Europe are finally beginning to understand the views of a majority of Americans, who are increasingly concerned about the seemingly endless litany of near-intractable domestic crises, the skyrocketing national debt, and the dire future of the United States.
In a recent Pew poll, 55% of Americans say that the U.S. should pay less attention to problems overseas and concentrate on problems at home, while 43% say the U.S. should be active in world affairs.
History has shown that, once the stated purpose of a military alliance no longer exists, it must be either dramatically altered or disbanded, or it will assume other purposes that inevitably lead to chaos. The hierarchy of NATO is now promoting the g*******t version of DEI (Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion) as the guiding policy of the alliance.
As part of that shift, they have taken the position that the first line of defense is no longer a military one but, instead, one of censoring and controlling the free citizens of the member states to make certain that “disinformation” does not affect the “proper outcome” of e******ns among the nations of NATO.
Through NATO, America has been the primary military protector of Western Europe for 75 years. Over that time, America’s direct expenditures (military footprint, surveillance, and military aid) within Europe have amounted to approximately $4.0 Trillion (in 2024 dollars) in addition to the nuclear umbrella and naval forces of the United States that have protected the nations of Europe for three-quarters of a century.
NATO and these expenditures were a necessity when a nuclearized and aggressively belligerent Soviet Union was the major threat to global peace, but that threat ended in 1991.
The original purpose of NATO no longer exists, and the alliance has abandoned its founding principles. Therefore, once the inevitable negotiated settlement of the war in Ukraine occurs, and if Trump is President, he must inform European countries that the United States will, over a three-year timeline, exit its active participation in NATO by removing its military presence from the continent and initiating a new limited membership in the alliance, forcing the European nations of NATO to reform the alliance and take seriously their responsibility to protect their interests.
The key factors in canceling active participation in NATO are 1) grossly unbalanced financial commitments, 2) radical policy positions, and 3) the obligations the United States has assumed under the NATO Charter, namely Article 5, which states:
The parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against all of them and consequently they agree that if such an armed attack occurs each of them… will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking… such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed forces, to restore the security of the North Atlantic area.
Because of Article 5, the United States cannot avoid becoming involved in either refereeing or actively participating in any military or security squabbles among European countries. Therefore, after America’s announcement that it is ceasing active participation in NATO, Article 5 should be amended as follows:
The parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe shall be considered an attack against all of them and consequently they agree that if such an armed attack occurs each of them will assist the Party or Parties so attacked with the understanding that the participation of the United States and the use of its armed forces will be subject to approval by the Congress of the United States.
The process of amending the charter should have begun after the unprecedented collapse and fragmentation of the Soviet Union in 1991 and accelerated in 1993 when the European Union, with unified economic, social, and security policies, came into being. It was the ideal political vehicle for Europe to assume the burden of self-defense after the collapse of the Soviet Union.
The European Union plus Great Britain has a population three and a half times larger (512 million vs. 144 million) and a Gross Domestic Product nearly ten times larger ($20.0 Trillion vs $2.2 Trillion) than Russia's.
European duplicity combined with the American political class’s need to have an evil foreign adversary to pillory has kept an American-dominated NATO alive long past its expiration date. In their myopia, the global elites redefined NATO’s original purpose by not only expanding but conferring what was once a justifiable fear of the Soviet Union upon its significantly smaller and far less formidable successor, Russia.
Since 1991, NATO has expanded to 31 nations by adding 15 new members. All, except for Finland, were formerly independent nations occupied by the Soviet Union, including some bordering Russia. Perhaps understandably, Russian paranoia was dramatically exacerbated.
This centuries-old paranoia, the demonization by the American ruling elites, and the threat of allowing former Soviet Republics, such as Ukraine, to join NATO, combined with rampant internal corruption, undermined Russia’s democratization efforts and led to the ascension of a new Russian autocratic oligarchy led by a brutal and megalomaniacal Vladimir Putin as exemplified by his ruthlessness within Russia and the invasion of Ukraine.
In 2008, the United States and NATO duplicitously agreed to add Ukraine as a member of NATO. There were also overt discussions in June of 2021 between the Biden Administration and Volodymyr Zelensky about Ukraine joining NATO. In reality, Ukraine was never going to be allowed to join NATO.
If the United States and NATO had been honest with the Ukrainians about their actual intention of never allowing them to join NATO and subsequently armed them with sufficient weaponry to thwart a potential invasion, war could have been avoided.
The years-long mating dance between NATO and Ukraine was the pretext, and Joe Biden’s disastrous surrender and withdrawal from Afghanistan was the catalyst that precipitated Putin’s fateful decision to invade Ukraine.
After twenty-four months, the death of untold thousands on both sides and a stalemate reminiscent of World War I, Russia has been exposed as a military paper tiger with only its nuclear arsenal and immense fossil-fuel reserves propping it up as a major player on the international scene. Ukraine has been exposed to be what it has always been since its independence from the Soviet Union: a nation with a quasi-authoritarian government rife with unbridled corruption.
The nations of Europe are fully capable of dealing with Russia and other European security matters. The United States must focus on its nearly intractable domestic problems and a far greater global threat than Russia: C*******t China.
I know it will be a challenge for our progressives; however, ignore the words Donald Trump and focus on whether the writer is correct concerning our continuing membership in NATO
By: Steve McCann
As he is wont to do, Donald Trump caused heads to explode among the American political establishment and legacy media when he recalled an encounter he had with an unnamed president “of a big country” regarding the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO). In Trump’s telling, the leader asked him, “Well sir, if we don’t pay and we’re attacked by Russia, will you protect us?” Trump answered by saying: “No, I would not protect you. In fact, I would encourage them to do wh**ever the hell they want. You gotta pay.”
Almost immediately, an avalanche of shopworn accusations of Trump being a Putin sycophant determined to surrender Europe to the tender mercies of a rampaging Russia filled the airwaves and saturated the internet allowing the Democrats and their mouthpieces in the legacy media to reprise the long-debunked Russia collusion h**x of 2016-17.
Apparently, Trump also stunned many European leaders and much of the European media. So much so that the New York Times ran an article titled “An Outburst by Trump on NATO May Push Europe to Go It Alone” as more European leaders are now quietly discussing among themselves how they might prepare for the possibility that America removes itself from being the centerpiece of the alliance.
The leaders of Europe are finally beginning to understand the views of a majority of Americans, who are increasingly concerned about the seemingly endless litany of near-intractable domestic crises, the skyrocketing national debt, and the dire future of the United States.
In a recent Pew poll, 55% of Americans say that the U.S. should pay less attention to problems overseas and concentrate on problems at home, while 43% say the U.S. should be active in world affairs.
History has shown that, once the stated purpose of a military alliance no longer exists, it must be either dramatically altered or disbanded, or it will assume other purposes that inevitably lead to chaos. The hierarchy of NATO is now promoting the g*******t version of DEI (Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion) as the guiding policy of the alliance.
As part of that shift, they have taken the position that the first line of defense is no longer a military one but, instead, one of censoring and controlling the free citizens of the member states to make certain that “disinformation” does not affect the “proper outcome” of e******ns among the nations of NATO.
Through NATO, America has been the primary military protector of Western Europe for 75 years. Over that time, America’s direct expenditures (military footprint, surveillance, and military aid) within Europe have amounted to approximately $4.0 Trillion (in 2024 dollars) in addition to the nuclear umbrella and naval forces of the United States that have protected the nations of Europe for three-quarters of a century.
NATO and these expenditures were a necessity when a nuclearized and aggressively belligerent Soviet Union was the major threat to global peace, but that threat ended in 1991.
The original purpose of NATO no longer exists, and the alliance has abandoned its founding principles. Therefore, once the inevitable negotiated settlement of the war in Ukraine occurs, and if Trump is President, he must inform European countries that the United States will, over a three-year timeline, exit its active participation in NATO by removing its military presence from the continent and initiating a new limited membership in the alliance, forcing the European nations of NATO to reform the alliance and take seriously their responsibility to protect their interests.
The key factors in canceling active participation in NATO are 1) grossly unbalanced financial commitments, 2) radical policy positions, and 3) the obligations the United States has assumed under the NATO Charter, namely Article 5, which states:
The parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against all of them and consequently they agree that if such an armed attack occurs each of them… will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking… such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed forces, to restore the security of the North Atlantic area.
Because of Article 5, the United States cannot avoid becoming involved in either refereeing or actively participating in any military or security squabbles among European countries. Therefore, after America’s announcement that it is ceasing active participation in NATO, Article 5 should be amended as follows:
The parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe shall be considered an attack against all of them and consequently they agree that if such an armed attack occurs each of them will assist the Party or Parties so attacked with the understanding that the participation of the United States and the use of its armed forces will be subject to approval by the Congress of the United States.
The process of amending the charter should have begun after the unprecedented collapse and fragmentation of the Soviet Union in 1991 and accelerated in 1993 when the European Union, with unified economic, social, and security policies, came into being. It was the ideal political vehicle for Europe to assume the burden of self-defense after the collapse of the Soviet Union.
The European Union plus Great Britain has a population three and a half times larger (512 million vs. 144 million) and a Gross Domestic Product nearly ten times larger ($20.0 Trillion vs $2.2 Trillion) than Russia's.
European duplicity combined with the American political class’s need to have an evil foreign adversary to pillory has kept an American-dominated NATO alive long past its expiration date. In their myopia, the global elites redefined NATO’s original purpose by not only expanding but conferring what was once a justifiable fear of the Soviet Union upon its significantly smaller and far less formidable successor, Russia.
Since 1991, NATO has expanded to 31 nations by adding 15 new members. All, except for Finland, were formerly independent nations occupied by the Soviet Union, including some bordering Russia. Perhaps understandably, Russian paranoia was dramatically exacerbated.
This centuries-old paranoia, the demonization by the American ruling elites, and the threat of allowing former Soviet Republics, such as Ukraine, to join NATO, combined with rampant internal corruption, undermined Russia’s democratization efforts and led to the ascension of a new Russian autocratic oligarchy led by a brutal and megalomaniacal Vladimir Putin as exemplified by his ruthlessness within Russia and the invasion of Ukraine.
In 2008, the United States and NATO duplicitously agreed to add Ukraine as a member of NATO. There were also overt discussions in June of 2021 between the Biden Administration and Volodymyr Zelensky about Ukraine joining NATO. In reality, Ukraine was never going to be allowed to join NATO.
If the United States and NATO had been honest with the Ukrainians about their actual intention of never allowing them to join NATO and subsequently armed them with sufficient weaponry to thwart a potential invasion, war could have been avoided.
The years-long mating dance between NATO and Ukraine was the pretext, and Joe Biden’s disastrous surrender and withdrawal from Afghanistan was the catalyst that precipitated Putin’s fateful decision to invade Ukraine.
After twenty-four months, the death of untold thousands on both sides and a stalemate reminiscent of World War I, Russia has been exposed as a military paper tiger with only its nuclear arsenal and immense fossil-fuel reserves propping it up as a major player on the international scene. Ukraine has been exposed to be what it has always been since its independence from the Soviet Union: a nation with a quasi-authoritarian government rife with unbridled corruption.
The nations of Europe are fully capable of dealing with Russia and other European security matters. The United States must focus on its nearly intractable domestic problems and a far greater global threat than Russia: C*******t China.
I know it will be a challenge for our progressives; however, ignore the words Donald Trump and focus on whether the writer is correct concerning our continuing membership in NATO
Feb 21, 2024 13:38:29 #
AuntI, Forgive me if I disagree with you. If Russia invades NATO countries, it not only could, but probably would lead to WW111. At best, it could lead to a Great Depression, because we could lose all, or the vast majority of our trading partners should Europe fall to the Russians.
The most important lesson we learned from the last world war is that we should never appease aggressive dictatorships. All that does is make them want more.
When we were attacked on 9/11, it was NATO that came to our aid. Now the Republicans are so worried about a small countries not paying their fair share. The simple t***h is that Trump is looking for an issue to run on. He is a great admirer of Putin, and other so called strong men. He has said that many times.
The most important lesson we learned from the last world war is that we should never appease aggressive dictatorships. All that does is make them want more.
When we were attacked on 9/11, it was NATO that came to our aid. Now the Republicans are so worried about a small countries not paying their fair share. The simple t***h is that Trump is looking for an issue to run on. He is a great admirer of Putin, and other so called strong men. He has said that many times.
Feb 21, 2024 13:42:09 #
saltwind 78 wrote:
AuntI, Forgive me if I disagree with you. If Russi... (show quote)
As with all progressives, you have ZERO ability to leave Trump out of all postings. I specifically said to ignore Trump and focus on the NATO issue. The TDS is strong in you.
To think you taught history. As shown during both WWs, America came to the aid of Europe. Without being a member of NATO, it still highly likely we would do so again.
Feb 21, 2024 13:42:17 #
saltwind 78 wrote:
AuntI, Forgive me if I disagree with you. If Russi... (show quote)
Putin can't take Ukraine. What makes you think he would invade another country.
Feb 21, 2024 13:45:06 #
XXX wrote:
Putin can't take Ukraine. What makes you think he would invade another country.
Because the media said they would, without any evidence of such a plan by Russia.
Feb 21, 2024 13:46:11 #
AuntiE wrote:
Because the media said they would, without any evidence of such a plan by Russia.
Oh he's controlled.
Feb 21, 2024 13:47:20 #
AuntiE wrote:
As with all progressives, you have ZERO ability to leave Trump out of all postings. I specifically said to ignore Trump and focus on the NATO issue. The TDS is strong in you.
To think you taught history. As shown during both WWs, America came to the aid of Europe. Without being a member of NATO, it still highly likely we would do so again.
To think you taught history. As shown during both WWs, America came to the aid of Europe. Without being a member of NATO, it still highly likely we would do so again.
Feb 21, 2024 14:03:46 #
America 1
Loc: South Miami
saltwind 78 wrote:
AuntI, Forgive me if I disagree with you. If Russi... (show quote)
Russia is a federal republic and, in theory, a multi-party representative democracy, wherein the President is the head of state, and the Prime Minister is the head of government.
The President is also the Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.
Feb 21, 2024 14:54:23 #
AuntiE wrote:
As with all progressives, you have ZERO ability to leave Trump out of all postings. I specifically said to ignore Trump and focus on the NATO issue. The TDS is strong in you.
To think you taught history. As shown during both WWs, America came to the aid of Europe. Without being a member of NATO, it still highly likely we would do so again.
To think you taught history. As shown during both WWs, America came to the aid of Europe. Without being a member of NATO, it still highly likely we would do so again.
How did NATO come to our Aid.By attacking a country that had nothing to do with 911
Feb 21, 2024 16:57:16 #
AuntiE wrote:
b Donald Trump is Right about NATO /b br By: Ste... (show quote)
And this is coming from someone that is a private citizen?!
Feb 21, 2024 16:59:14 #
America 1 wrote:
Russia is a federal republic and, in theory, a multi-party representative democracy, wherein the President is the head of state, and the Prime Minister is the head of government.
The President is also the Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.
The President is also the Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.
You are trying to kid us. Russia is a dictatorship.
Feb 21, 2024 17:37:01 #
tomhoff24 wrote:
And this is coming from someone that is a private citizen?!
You're a fool. At best.
Feb 21, 2024 19:03:59 #
Feb 21, 2024 19:26:19 #
Feb 21, 2024 19:26:39 #
tomhoff24 wrote:
And this is coming from someone that is a private citizen?!
I believe so.
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