tbutkovich

He permitted a sacrilegious
funeral service making a mockery of the Catholic Church. He is a disgrace!

Liberty Tree

Reports say he was duped and apologies have been made.

tbutkovich

If they would have done a background check, they would have learned that she was a t***sexual. Jesuit Father James Martin, an LGBQT advocate approved the funeral service. Loose Pope , Loose Cardinal, Loose Priest. Shameful!

Cardinal Dolan is Responsible, it happened under his watch!

Liberty Tree

Not many churches do background checks on people getting married.

tbutkovich

It would never happen in my church!

AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State

It was a funeral. One can read an obituary to learn about a person.
Catholic Churches require a person to be in good standing. Obviously, this person was not, hence should not have occurred.

tbutkovich

Father Martin’s quote:
This was the public statement by Father James Martin:

“To celebrate a mass of a t*********r woman at St. Patrick’s is a powerful reminder, during Lent, that LGBQT people are as much a part of the church as anyone else.”

No, they are leading sinful lives and they should not be given the privilege of have a funeral service in the church. The entire ceremony was irreverent and sacrilegious. It was not the conventional Catholic Funeral Service but was bedeviled and dominated by a satanic cult. The people who attended were scantily clothed and they had posted a placard naming the deceased as the “mother of whores.”

tbutkovich

They literally took over the entire funeral mass proceeding which was a total farce. If it were my church, and I was a parishioner, I would have gone into a rant and told the whole bunch to leave at once!

This was a Catholic Cathedral and the Cardinal, the man at the top should have put a stop to it!

crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island

I knew a woman whose maiden name was (Italian). She'd married an (Irish name) and gotten divorced. She worked at a hospital, keeping her married name but left to become the administrator of an a******n mill, just three blocks from that hospital. It was pretty widely known that she did work there.

I was surprised when I read in the paper that she had died at a fairly young age. She had a funeral in a Catholic Church and was buried in a Catholic cemetery.

Many in the pro-life movement were surprised at both. The priest who officiated said that he was unaware of her work. Being Irish-American, her ex-husband was probably Catholic also.

In addition, she was known for promiscuity.

crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island

If he knew & that is something that often is not well known. See my response above.

crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island

Being a homosexual in not sinful, the act is. Sex outside of marriage is.

Addicts, alcoholics, prostitutes, LGBQTs, etc. are human beings also are entitled to the same presumptions as all sinners are.

tbutkovich

Several mainstream media outlets have framed the event as a breakthrough occasion and a sign of the Catholic Church shifting its teaching — or at least its tone — on sexuality and human anthropology.

Time magazine described the fact that a funeral service for a t***s activist was held in a Catholic cathedral as “no small feat,” while The New York Times described the service as “an exuberant piece of political theater.”

Jesuit Father James Martin, an L***Q advocate whose approach to pastoral inclusion has courted controversy in the Church, initially offered his approval for the service.

“To celebrate the funeral Mass [sic] of a t*********r woman at St. Patrick’s is a powerful reminder, during Lent, that L***Q people are as much a part of the church as anyone else,” he told The New York Times. “I wonder if it would have happened a generation ago.”

On Saturday, however, Father Martin clarified that he made the comment prior to service.

"Obviously, I believe that L***Q people should be as included as any other parishioner in their church. Just as obviously, I believe that churches are sacred spaces and certain actions are out of bounds," he said in a post on X (formerly Twitter), adding that he had been invited to preach at the service but was out of town.

"I've not seen the whole service as recorded, but some actions I've seen struck me as, while perhaps to the congregation joyful and celebratory, disrespectful of the sacred space that is St. Patrick's Cathedral," he wrote. "One can be both joyful and respectful, it seems to me."

Other Catholics, however, were more pointed in their assessment.

On X, Catholic V**e described the service as a staged “mockery of the Christian faith INSIDE St. Patrick’s Cathedral” by t***s activists.

Others called for Cardinal Dolan and the Archdiocese of New York to respond to what they considered to be sacrilege.

Many of the 1,000 in attendance wore d**g and scanty outfits. At the foot of the altar stood an image of the Argentinian-born Gentili with a halo, surrounded by the Spanish words for “whore,” “t**********e,” “blessed,” and “mother.”

T***s activist Oscar Diaz told Time it “felt appropriate” to say farewell to Gentili with a funeral service at St. Patrick’s, describing the event as an act of bestowing “sainthood” on the t*********r advocate.

The service for Gentili was marked by several moments that were out of the ordinary for a Catholic funeral and have raised questions of irreverence and sacrilege.

For instance, during the liturgy, attendees cheered, applauded, and chanted “Cecilia!” and “madre de putas” — Spanish for “mother of whores.”

A rendition of the “Ave Maria” by the cathedral cantor was interrupted when an attendee shouted “Ave Cecilia!” and danced down the center aisle.

A mid-liturgy lay reflection given from the sanctuary compared Gentili’s advocacy for normalizing sex work and lobbying for g****r-related health care to Christ’s ministry to prostitutes and outcasts.

In another reflection, Diaz described the deceased as “this whore, this great whore, St. Cecilia, mother of all whores.” Those assembled stood and applauded as Father Dougherty remained seated in the presider’s chair, his chin in his hand.

After attending Baptist and Catholic churches, Gentili had identified as an atheist though suggested a recent interest in God in a November 2023 interview.

“Religion has been such a foundational aspect of my life that I’ll always have some kind of connection to it. I still crave a sense of community and belonging that I know a lot of people find in faith,” Gentili said.

THE ONLY WAY SHE SHOULD HAVE BEEN ALLOWED A FUNERAL SERVICE IF SHE REPENTED OF HER SINS. AND IF IT WAS ALLOWED TO PROCEED, RULES ABOUT DRESS CODES AND RESTRICTIONS ON POSTERS. EULOGIES SHOULD HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED FOR REVIEW AND EDITED OR ELIMINATED. THIS WAS IN MY MIND A HOSTILE CAMPAIGN AGAINST THE CATHOLIC RELIGION AND MOCKERY OF THE SANCTUARY OF JESUS CHRIST.

THE LEADERSHIP IN THIS CHURCH IS RESPONSIBLE AND CULPABLE FOR LETTING THIS FUNERAL SERVICE BECOME A CLOWN SHOW.

tbutkovich

Cardinal Dolan needs to be demoted to an “Alter Boy!”

AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State

Even as liberal as my geographic area is, the Parishes are very very strict about an individual being a member in good standing before they will perform any sacraments.

tbutkovich

MAYBE CARDINAL DOLAN OUGHT TO BRUSH UP ON SCRIPTURE!

Deuteronomy 22:5 deals with the issue cross-dressing / t***svestism (men dressing in women’s clothing and vice versa). In this passage God commands that a woman is not to wear that which pertains to a man and a man is not to wear that which pertains to a woman, for all that do so are an “a*********n.” The Hebrew word t***slated “a*********n” means "a d********g thing, abominable, in the ritual sense (of unclean food, idols, mixed marriages), in the ethical sense of wickedness." Therefore, this is not simply God addressing the fact that a woman might put on a man’s garment or vice versa. Also, this is not a command that a woman should not wear pants/slacks as some use this passage to teach. The meaning here is that this “cross-dressing” and t***svestism is done in order to deceive, or to present oneself as something that he/she is not. In other words, this speaks to a woman changing her dress and appearance so as to appear to be a man and a man changing his dress and appearance so as to appear to be a woman. This is the definition of cross-dressing or a t***svestism.

We can also reason that the dynamic behind this is the leaving of what is natural and taking on that which is in God’s Word called unnatural (Romans 1:24-27). Paul tells the Corinthian church that the way a woman wears her hair is a reflection of God’s order, and therefore a woman who cuts her hair to appear as a man or a man who wears his hair long to appear as a woman brings shame to them (1 Corinthians 11:3-15). The issue here is the motive and attitude of the heart that is evidenced in the choice to rebel against God’s standard for obedience.

These are principles we can use to reason an application. Wh**ever the prevailing custom, men and women should wear g****r-appropriate clothing, dressing decently and in order (1 Corinthians 14:40). To apply the principles, the Bible calls cross-dressing or t***svestitism a choice that is a demonstration of unbelief and r*******n against God and His order.