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Feb 18, 2024 12:34:55   #
Oldsailor65 Loc: Iowa
 
Gun Control....It is now closer to reality than you think.


You're sound asleep when you hear a thump outside your bedroom door. Half-awake, and nearly paralyzed with fear, you hear muffled whispers. At least two people have broken into your house and are moving your way. With your heart pumping, you reach down beside your bed and pick up your shotgun. You rack a shell into the chamber, then inch toward the door and open it. In the darkness, you make out two shadows.

One holds something that looks like a crowbar. When the intruder brandishes it as if to strike, you raise the shotgun and fire. The blast knocks both thugs to the floor. One writhes and screams while the second man crawls to the front door and lurches outside. As you pick up the telephone to call police, you know you're in trouble.

In your country, most guns were outlawed years before, and the few That are privately owned are so stringently regulated as to make them useless. Yours was never registered. Police arrive and inform you that the second burglar has died. They arrest you for First Degree Murder and Illegal Possession of a Firearm. When you talk to your attorney, he tells you not to worry: authorities will probably plea the case down to manslaughter.

"What kind of sentence will I get?" you ask.

"Only ten-to-twelve years," he replies, as if that's nothing. "Behave yourself, and you'll be out in seven."
The next day, the shooting is the lead story in the local newspaper. Somehow, you're portrayed as an eccentric vigilante while the two men you shot are represented as choirboys. Their friends and relatives can't find an unkind word to say about them. Buried deep down in the article, authorities acknowledge that both "victims" have been arrested numerous times. But the next day's headline says it all: "Lovable Rogue Son Didn't Deserve to Die." The thieves have been t***sformed from career criminals into Robin Hood-type pranksters. As the days wear on, the story takes wings. The national media picks it up, then the international media. The surviving burglar has become a folk hero.

Your attorney says the thief is preparing to sue you, and he'll probably win. The media publishes reports that your home has been burglarized several times in the past and that you've been critical of local police for their lack of effort in apprehending the suspects. After the last break-in, you told your neighbor that you would be prepared next time. The District Attorney uses this to allege that you were lying in wait for the burglars.

A few months later, you go to trial. The charges haven't been reduced, as your lawyer had so confidently predicted. When you take the stand, your anger at the injustice of it all works against you. Prosecutors paint a picture of you as a mean, vengeful man. It doesn't take long for the jury to convict you of all charges.
The judge sentences you to life in prison.

This case really happened.

On August 22, 1999, Tony Martin of Emneth, Norfolk , England , k**led one burglar and wounded a second. In April, 2000, he was convicted and is now serving a life term.

How did it become a crime to defend one's own life in the once great British Empire ?
It started with the Pistols Act of 1903. This seemingly reasonable law forbade selling pistols to minors or felons and established that handgun sales were to be made only to those who had a license. The Firearms Act of 1920 expanded licensing to include not only handguns but all firearms except shotguns.

Later laws passed in 1953 and 1967 outlawed the carrying of any weapon by private citizens and mandated the registration of all shotguns.

Momentum for total handgun confiscation began in earnest after the Hungerford mass shooting in 1987.. Michael Ryan, a mentally disturbed Man with a Kalashnikov rifle, walked down the streets shooting everyone he saw. When the smoke cleared, 17 people were dead.

The British public, already de-sensitized by eighty years of "gun control", demanded even tougher restrictions. (The seizure of all privately owned handguns was the objective even though Ryan used a rifle.)
Nine years later, at Dunblane , Scotland , Thomas Hamilton used a semi-automatic weapon to murder 16 children and a teacher at a public school.

For many years, the media had portrayed all gun owners as mentally unstable criminals. Now the press had a real kook with which to beat up law-abiding gun owners. Day after day, week after week, the media gave up all pretense of objectivity and demanded a total ban on all handguns. The Dunblane Inquiry, a few months later, Sealed the fate of the few sidearm still owned by private citizens.

During the years in which the British government incrementally took away most gun rights, the notion that a citizen had the right to armed self-defense came to be seen as vigilantism. Authorities refused to grant gun licenses to people who were threatened, claiming that self-defense was no longer considered a reason to own a gun. Citizens who shot burglars or robbers or rapists were charged while the real criminals were released.

Indeed, after the Martin shooting, a police spokesman was quoted as saying, "We cannot have people take the law into their own hands."

All of Martin's neighbors had been robbed numerous times, and several elderly people were severely injured in beatings by young thugs who had no fear of the consequences. Martin himself, a collector of antiques, had seen most of his collection trashed or stolen by burglars.

When the Dunblane Inquiry ended, citizens who owned handguns were given three months to turn them over to local authorities. Being good British subjects, most people obeyed the law. The few who didn't were visited by police and threatened with ten-year prison sentences if they didn't comply. Police later bragged that they'd taken nearly 200,000 handguns from private citizens.

How did the authorities know who had handguns? The guns had been registered and licensed. Kinda' like cars.
Sound familiar?


Battle of Lexington and Concord

On the 15 of April 1775, General Thomas Gage, British Military Governor of Massachusetts, was ordered to destroy the rebel's military stores at Concord. To disarm the Colonist. Had the Colonist been disarmed they probably would not have been successful in the Revolution against the British. This is basically why the 2nd amendment was put into the Constitution, not so Americans could go hunting and target practicing. The "Right To Bare Arms" was included in the Constitution so citizens could protect themselves against the Government. I may not have this worded entirely correctly but this is gist of it.

Amendment II

A well regulated m*****a, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.


WAKE UP AMERICA ; THIS IS WHY OUR FOUNDING FATHERS PUT THE SECOND AMENDMENT IN OUR CONSTITUTION.

"..It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds.."
--Samuel Adams

You better wake up cause the Democratic Party is going to do this very same thing over here if they can get it done. And there are gullible people in congress and on the street that will go right along with him.
Don't be one of them.

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Feb 18, 2024 12:52:44   #
American Vet
 
Oldsailor65 wrote:
Gun Control....It is now closer to reality than you think.


You're sound asleep when you hear a thump outside your bedroom door. Half-awake, and nearly paralyzed with fear, you hear muffled whispers. At least two people have broken into your house and are moving your way. With your heart pumping, you reach down beside your bed and pick up your shotgun. You rack a shell into the chamber, then inch toward the door and open it. In the darkness, you make out two shadows.

One holds something that looks like a crowbar. When the intruder brandishes it as if to strike, you raise the shotgun and fire. The blast knocks both thugs to the floor. One writhes and screams while the second man crawls to the front door and lurches outside. As you pick up the telephone to call police, you know you're in trouble.

In your country, most guns were outlawed years before, and the few That are privately owned are so stringently regulated as to make them useless. Yours was never registered. Police arrive and inform you that the second burglar has died. They arrest you for First Degree Murder and Illegal Possession of a Firearm. When you talk to your attorney, he tells you not to worry: authorities will probably plea the case down to manslaughter.

"What kind of sentence will I get?" you ask.

"Only ten-to-twelve years," he replies, as if that's nothing. "Behave yourself, and you'll be out in seven."
The next day, the shooting is the lead story in the local newspaper. Somehow, you're portrayed as an eccentric vigilante while the two men you shot are represented as choirboys. Their friends and relatives can't find an unkind word to say about them. Buried deep down in the article, authorities acknowledge that both "victims" have been arrested numerous times. But the next day's headline says it all: "Lovable Rogue Son Didn't Deserve to Die." The thieves have been t***sformed from career criminals into Robin Hood-type pranksters. As the days wear on, the story takes wings. The national media picks it up, then the international media. The surviving burglar has become a folk hero.

Your attorney says the thief is preparing to sue you, and he'll probably win. The media publishes reports that your home has been burglarized several times in the past and that you've been critical of local police for their lack of effort in apprehending the suspects. After the last break-in, you told your neighbor that you would be prepared next time. The District Attorney uses this to allege that you were lying in wait for the burglars.

A few months later, you go to trial. The charges haven't been reduced, as your lawyer had so confidently predicted. When you take the stand, your anger at the injustice of it all works against you. Prosecutors paint a picture of you as a mean, vengeful man. It doesn't take long for the jury to convict you of all charges.
The judge sentences you to life in prison.

This case really happened.

On August 22, 1999, Tony Martin of Emneth, Norfolk , England , k**led one burglar and wounded a second. In April, 2000, he was convicted and is now serving a life term.

How did it become a crime to defend one's own life in the once great British Empire ?
It started with the Pistols Act of 1903. This seemingly reasonable law forbade selling pistols to minors or felons and established that handgun sales were to be made only to those who had a license. The Firearms Act of 1920 expanded licensing to include not only handguns but all firearms except shotguns.

Later laws passed in 1953 and 1967 outlawed the carrying of any weapon by private citizens and mandated the registration of all shotguns.

Momentum for total handgun confiscation began in earnest after the Hungerford mass shooting in 1987.. Michael Ryan, a mentally disturbed Man with a Kalashnikov rifle, walked down the streets shooting everyone he saw. When the smoke cleared, 17 people were dead.

The British public, already de-sensitized by eighty years of "gun control", demanded even tougher restrictions. (The seizure of all privately owned handguns was the objective even though Ryan used a rifle.)
Nine years later, at Dunblane , Scotland , Thomas Hamilton used a semi-automatic weapon to murder 16 children and a teacher at a public school.

For many years, the media had portrayed all gun owners as mentally unstable criminals. Now the press had a real kook with which to beat up law-abiding gun owners. Day after day, week after week, the media gave up all pretense of objectivity and demanded a total ban on all handguns. The Dunblane Inquiry, a few months later, Sealed the fate of the few sidearm still owned by private citizens.

During the years in which the British government incrementally took away most gun rights, the notion that a citizen had the right to armed self-defense came to be seen as vigilantism. Authorities refused to grant gun licenses to people who were threatened, claiming that self-defense was no longer considered a reason to own a gun. Citizens who shot burglars or robbers or rapists were charged while the real criminals were released.

Indeed, after the Martin shooting, a police spokesman was quoted as saying, "We cannot have people take the law into their own hands."

All of Martin's neighbors had been robbed numerous times, and several elderly people were severely injured in beatings by young thugs who had no fear of the consequences. Martin himself, a collector of antiques, had seen most of his collection trashed or stolen by burglars.

When the Dunblane Inquiry ended, citizens who owned handguns were given three months to turn them over to local authorities. Being good British subjects, most people obeyed the law. The few who didn't were visited by police and threatened with ten-year prison sentences if they didn't comply. Police later bragged that they'd taken nearly 200,000 handguns from private citizens.

How did the authorities know who had handguns? The guns had been registered and licensed. Kinda' like cars.
Sound familiar?


Battle of Lexington and Concord

On the 15 of April 1775, General Thomas Gage, British Military Governor of Massachusetts, was ordered to destroy the rebel's military stores at Concord. To disarm the Colonist. Had the Colonist been disarmed they probably would not have been successful in the Revolution against the British. This is basically why the 2nd amendment was put into the Constitution, not so Americans could go hunting and target practicing. The "Right To Bare Arms" was included in the Constitution so citizens could protect themselves against the Government. I may not have this worded entirely correctly but this is gist of it.

Amendment II

A well regulated m*****a, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.


WAKE UP AMERICA ; THIS IS WHY OUR FOUNDING FATHERS PUT THE SECOND AMENDMENT IN OUR CONSTITUTION.

"..It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds.."
--Samuel Adams

You better wake up cause the Democratic Party is going to do this very same thing over here if they can get it done. And there are gullible people in congress and on the street that will go right along with him.
Don't be one of them.
Gun Control....It is now closer to reality than yo... (show quote)


Good post - spot on - thanks.

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Feb 19, 2024 05:06:35   #
Jlw Loc: Wisconsin
 
American Vet wrote:
Good post - spot on - thanks.

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Feb 19, 2024 13:31:18   #
Loneeyes Loc: Texas
 
Back in the 80s my daughter was two and I worked in the evenings . On my days off I kept two other babies that were also two . Someone broke in to our house several times the last time it happened I called the cops .

When the officer got finished looking around and taking statements from my roommates I asked him what should I do besides get a gun for protection . He unformed me that I couldn't do that because I'm supposed to try and get away , in other words flee or run from the scene . Now I don't know about y'all but trying to run with three two year olds was definitely not an option because they don't understand fear . I got mad and said I was getting a gun to protect me and mine .

He said then I guess we will see you in court . Because you can't defend yourself like that .
I just laughed and said ok I guess we will.

That's just not right .

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Feb 19, 2024 13:34:46   #
Oldsailor65 Loc: Iowa
 
Loneeyes wrote:
Back in the 80s my daughter was two and I worked in the evenings . On my days off I kept two other babies that were also two . Someone broke in to our house several times the last time it happened I called the cops .

When the officer got finished looking around and taking statements from my roommates I asked him what should I do besides get a gun for protection . He unformed me that I couldn't do that because I'm supposed to try and get away , in other words flee or run from the scene . Now I don't know about y'all but trying to run with three two year olds was definitely not an option because they don't understand fear . I got mad and said I was getting a gun to protect me and mine .

He said then I guess we will see you in court . Because you can't defend yourself like that .
I just laughed and said ok I guess we will.

That's just not right .
Back in the 80s my daughter was two and I worked i... (show quote)


I agree with you

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Feb 19, 2024 14:47:54   #
American Vet
 
Loneeyes wrote:
Back in the 80s my daughter was two and I worked in the evenings . On my days off I kept two other babies that were also two . Someone broke in to our house several times the last time it happened I called the cops .

When the officer got finished looking around and taking statements from my roommates I asked him what should I do besides get a gun for protection . He unformed me that I couldn't do that because I'm supposed to try and get away , in other words flee or run from the scene . Now I don't know about y'all but trying to run with three two year olds was definitely not an option because they don't understand fear . I got mad and said I was getting a gun to protect me and mine .

He said then I guess we will see you in court . Because you can't defend yourself like that .
I just laughed and said ok I guess we will.

That's just not right .
Back in the 80s my daughter was two and I worked i... (show quote)


That's exactly why some states have enacted 'stand your ground' laws.

States that have passed stand-your-ground laws include:

Alabama
Alaska
Arizona
Arkansas
Florida
Georgia
Idaho
Indiana
Iowa
Kansas
Kentucky
Louisiana
Michigan
Mississippi
Missouri
Montana
Nevada
New Hampshire
North Carolina
Ohio
Oklahoma
Pennsylvania
South Carolina
South Dakota
Tennessee
Texas
Utah
West Virginia
Wyoming
Note: Some states have adopted similar "stand your ground" doctrines through judicial interpretation of their self-defense laws, but they're not included on this list.

States That Impose a Duty to Retreat
On the other end of the legal spectrum, some jurisdictions impose a duty to retreat. A duty to retreat generally means that you can't resort to deadly force in self-defense if you can safely avoid the risk of imminent danger. If that's not an option due to being cornered, pinned down, or facing great bodily harm, then you may be authorized to use deadly force in self-defense.
Connecticut
Delaware
Hawaii
Massachusetts
Maryland
Maine
Minnesota
Nebraska
New Jersey
New York
North Dakota
Rhode Island
Wisconsin

https://www.findlaw.com/criminal/criminal-law-basics/states-that-have-stand-your-ground-laws.html

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Feb 19, 2024 14:49:09   #
Oldsailor65 Loc: Iowa
 
American Vet wrote:
That's exactly why some states have enacted 'stand your ground' laws.

States that have passed stand-your-ground laws include:

Alabama
Alaska
Arizona
Arkansas
Florida
Georgia
Idaho
Indiana
Iowa
Kansas
Kentucky
Louisiana
Michigan
Mississippi
Missouri
Montana
Nevada
New Hampshire
North Carolina
Ohio
Oklahoma
Pennsylvania
South Carolina
South Dakota
Tennessee
Texas
Utah
West Virginia
Wyoming
Note: Some states have adopted similar "stand your ground" doctrines through judicial interpretation of their self-defense laws, but they're not included on this list.

States That Impose a Duty to Retreat
On the other end of the legal spectrum, some jurisdictions impose a duty to retreat. A duty to retreat generally means that you can't resort to deadly force in self-defense if you can safely avoid the risk of imminent danger. If that's not an option due to being cornered, pinned down, or facing great bodily harm, then you may be authorized to use deadly force in self-defense.
Connecticut
Delaware
Hawaii
Massachusetts
Maryland
Maine
Minnesota
Nebraska
New Jersey
New York
North Dakota
Rhode Island
Wisconsin

https://www.findlaw.com/criminal/criminal-law-basics/states-that-have-stand-your-ground-laws.html
That's exactly why some states have enacted 'stand... (show quote)



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