LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago

For Liberals to l*****ts and marxists:

1. Why do you want an open border with Mexico allowing any and all to cross?

2. Why do you want more money for Ukraine?

3. Why do you want kids and adults with a mental a******lity (G****r confusion), to have access to formerly private facilities for separate sexes, and the right to compete athletically against another biological sex because they think they are that sex?

4. Why do you think it is okay for D**g Q***ns to teach kids as young as 5; and to have sexually explicit books teaching homosexuality and that it is okay to have homosexual sex with adults, openly available in school libraries to all students?

5. Why do you prefer biden over Trump, and which one did an overall better job as president?



For Republicans and Conservatives:

1. Why do you want a restricted border with Mexico preventing anyone and everyone for just walking in and demanding the right to stay for wh**ever reason? ?

2. Why do you want less or no more more money for Ukraine because we really don't belong there?

3. Why do you want kids and adults with a mental a******lity (G****r confusion), to be prevented from open access to formerly private facilities for separate sexes, and to be prevented from competing athletically against another biological sex just because they think they are that sex?

4. Why do you think it is not okay for D**g Q***ns to teach kids as young as 5; and it is not okay to have sexually explicit books teaching homosexuality and that it is not okay to have homosexual sex with adults, openly available in school libraries to all students?

5. Why do you prefer Trump over biden, and which one did an overall better job as president?

Logically Right

XXX Loc: Somewhere north of the Mason-Dixon

#1. So t*****rs and terrorists cant just walk in across-the-border. Because these aliens cost us more in handouts than they return. Because they are illegal which simply put means not allowed.

#2. No more money for Ukraine because our problems first. Ukraine will lose anyway. And we don't have any money for them.

#3. Because any b********l m**e can beat a female in sports. It's undermining the purpose of female sports. Why were sports ever separate in the first place?

#4. Because this is harmful to their minds. Raping children is exactly the same. It's psychological harm.

#5. Because Trump had a secure border and a peaceful world for the most. I won't bother going on and on. Bidens term was a complete failure.

Well there you have it. Can't wait for the others answers.

manning5me Loc: Richmond, Va.

1. Affirming National Control of our borders, the types of immigrants we want to assimilate; The types we want to prohibit, such as enemies of the nation, terrorists and criminals; control of migrant workers and students on visas; and control of the expenses of the immigration program to the taxpayer.

2. To the contrary, we must support the Ukraine fully in reducing the Russian military in the Ukraine, or we will face the Russians invading NATO nations in the near future, with the possibility of a nuclear exchange. In other words, WWIII.

3.There are only two sexes to begin with. Supporting aberrant ideas, lifestyles, and medical interventions to effect t***sitions is fundamentally flawed by the fact that every cell in the body reflects the birth genes and cannot be altered. This in time leads to further catastrophic mental anguish and the desire to revert. Some procedures cannot be reversed satisfactorily. Best to seek mental help to reconcile with one's birth sex.

4. In my view, homosexuality is an anomaly that leads to a lifestyle fraught with instability, HIV, shunning by many in the population, and promiscuity. To promote such prospects to innocent youths is a diabolical attempt at changing the public view of homosexuality, and a deliberate corruption of their normal youthful development cycle. It is most reprehensible.

5. Trump, yes. But I am too busy to lay it all out. This will have to do.

Kevyn

LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago

I agree with you on all counts

LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago

I agree with you on 1, 3, 4, and 5

As for 2, I disagree. I am throughly on the idea that the expansion of NATO was one of the major factors in Russia drawing a red line and taking military action. America promised Russia to never expand NATO east if they would agree to let East and West Germany unite. They did and we didn't keep our word. Going into Ukraine was a step to far, and we did in 2014 in instigating a c**p in Ukraine. This led to persecution of the ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine. 14,000 died and America helped train the N**i Azov battalion that was doing most of the k*****g and torturing there. Russia finally said no more. Funny, but just today I saw were Ukraine is demanding the ethnic Ukrainians living in Russia be allowed to retain their language and have schools taught in Ukrainian. Interesting, when they demand what they wouldn't allow. I could go on, but we'll have to disagree on this one. Wish more responded for more opinions.

LR

manning5me Loc: Richmond, Va.

I suppose it is fortunate that neither of us have the controls in the Ukraine matter. I see it as a major block to Russian expansion and most probable challenge to one or more NATO nations in their path of reconquest. It cost us equipment and training, but not troops in combat, a significant factor. I would not want egg on my face when after the Russians take the Ukraine, they move a bit later against Poland, or Latvia, and push further to the Carpasian mts. Article 5 either has teeth or it is written in sand. Which is it? If it doesn't count we can give Russia back the Soviet Union. If it does have teeth, and they take the Ukraine, we will have war for Russian expansion will nor stop.

LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago

Usually you come across as such a h**e filled troll, but you did respond with reasonable thought, so I will respond reasonably.

1. Why do you want an open border with Mexico allowing any and all to cross?
We have a history of secure friendly borders with our friends Canada and Mexico hundreds of thousands pass back and forth everyday to visit family, shop work and attend school. We have customs and border control to limit the passing of contraband or people not allowed. We also have treaty obligations and laws to afford due process to refugees seeking asylum. We need to fund the public servants law enforcement and courts that facilitate these ties with our friends and neighbors and our proud history of accepting those fleeing oppression and seeking a new life in our nation of immigrants.

1.>>>Yes we do have open borders with Canada and Mexico, for our citizens to mutually cross back and forth. But this does not compare to what is happening on our southern border right now. International law on refugees requires that the nearest state allow refugees. That isn't happening. Mexico is instead acting as a conduit for the refugees, real and imagined, of the entire world to invade the USA. Nice people and sick people and evil people, etc. Every country has a right to maintain their borders, or they will cease to be a country. biden is turning our country into a non entity in that regard, and massive costs to America that we can't afford, and for little benefit to America. I would also agree that these i******s also include those that over stayed visas of various types and various reasons. These hurt America. I have often stated that they should all be deported. One year to clear up their affairs and leave. If not and found, they should be jailed on felony charges and deported, to never under any circumstances be allowed to return. Those that do leave on their own, can immediately apply to come to America, on our terms, and at a reasonable level as determined by us, and their ability to be absorbed into America, and assimilated. It isn't about being mean. But this is our country and we make the rules. Would you let someone break down your back door, move in, take over your bedroom and demand food, medical care, jobs and education for all of their kids. How about knocking on the front door and asking for help, and to come on in.

2. Why do you want more money for Ukraine?

Ukraine is an emerging western democracy that we share values with. They were violently invaded by a criminal authoritarian dictatorship. They with our aid have successfully stoped Putin and are slowly repel the invaders. Giving them the tools they need for success is far cheaper than appeasement such as Chamberlains appeasement of Hitlers N**is.

2. >>>We share about the same amount of values with the people of Ukraine as the people of Russia. But Ukraine is more corrupt. Zelensky is also a criminal authoritarian dictator. Democracy? As soon as he won he threw the opposition into jail and disbanded their parties and media outlets. He has suspended e******ns and is a funnel to the corruption of his friends and military and other rich people. Russia is winning this war. They would be happy to negotiate a settlement and stop this carnage, but the west won't let Zelensky negotiate a peace agreement. Putin wants neutrality for Ukraine, never be able to join Nato, and the rights of the eastern provinces to join Russia as they v**ed to do. He has no ambitions to take all of Ukraine and needs it as a buffer to the aggressive expansionism of NATO to their borders, which would be an essential threat. Like Russian missiles in Cuba. Most Ukrainians, of what's left, would be happy for that. And as for the 'Hitlers N**i' comment. The Ukrainians started this shooting war, a civil war, in 2014 after an illegal c**p sponsored by America among others. And the battalion that did most of the fighting and bombing of civilians was the Azov N**i battalion, a brutal mob that had torture chambers all over. And we helped train them.

3. Why do you want kids and adults with a mental a******lity (G****r confusion), to have access to formerly private facilities for separate sexes, and the right to compete athletically against another biological sex because they think they are that sex?

Progressives realize that g****r dysphoria and fluidity has been part of most cultures throughout history. Our concern is for the well being and safety of youth being discriminated against. Clergy abuse of children is many times the threat to youth that t*********r people are.

3. >>>Progressives are c*******t light to start with. Yes there are confused people. The Right is interested in protecting these kids from the over zealousness of many on the left that are pushing these kids who mainly might just be going through a phase. But they can't wait to drug them up and cut them up for some silly purpose. Many regret being almost forced to t***sitions before being old enough to even really understand what is happening to them and by whom and for what purpose. Little kids deserve to not have these confused and occasionally aggressive kids forced on them in their private places. Especially little girls. They have a right to take a piss or change a tampon without some guy standing around watching them. They have a right to take a shower without some guy right next to them washing his willy over and over again. And as for girls sports, they have a right to participate with only members of their own sex for the sake of fair competition and safety on the field. These boys, pretend girls, are not really girls and never will be. They can get all sorts of drugs and operations to make them look like girls but every cell in their body is still a male and will always be so. They can compete with the other boys. So, they might never win. I never did and still played and competed. The idea isn't to play with the girls so you can win all the trophies, but to safely compete for fun.

4. Why do you think it is okay for D**g Q***ns to teach kids as young as 5; and to have sexually explicit books teaching homosexuality and that it is okay to have homosexual sex with adults, openly available in school libraries to all students?

D**g q***ns do not teach kids, on rare occasion they entertain them with parents involvement. This has been part of our culture for decades. Biggs Bunny was in d**g in your childhood as were entertainers from Walter Mathew to Flip Wilson. The current concern about this is smoke and mirrors to distract dullards from republicans failed policies.

4. >>>The very presence of D**g Q***ns and their over zealous parents, mostly mothers, is teaching these kids. I have not seen this lately except these overly sexualized D**g Shows with kids present, as seen on the Internet. These guys are real freaks. It they want to go off to some gay bar and play queenie, that is their business. Kids is just wrong. Little girls often laugh and these freak caricatures of women, but the little boys are really intimidated by all of this, and really want to get away from it. It is trying to push homosexuality on them through this freak side show. I have seen things like this really close. Even as a joke, the little boys want no part of it. And it is the democrats with the failed policies, up and down the line.

5. Why do you prefer biden over Trump, and which one did an overall better job as president?

Trump is essentially a career criminal, serial liar and failure. By every measure Biden has been a more successful president, the exception being his residing during a period of post p******c inflation which effected our nation less than all other developed nations.

5. >>>I think that biden is the real career criminal here and they are finding out more and more dirt on him every day. Rapist, fondles little children against their wishes, showers with his daughter. Plagiarism.
taking files he wasn't allowed to take and storing in a garage, etc. He is no saint. I personally never liked Trump. But I like what he tried to do for America despite unwarranted and illegal opposition from democrats. His list of accomplishments far exceeds what you think are bidens accomplishments. And the inflation had a lot to do with biden's actions with lock downs and excessive spending, mandates, government giveaways, etc. And the school closings really hurt a generation of kids of all ages.

In closing, we will disagree, but at least you tried to respond nicely for once.

LR

manning5me Loc: Richmond, Va.

From my point of view, the past history of Ukraine corruption, Zelensky malfeasance, and conflict in the Dombas is just so much water under the bridge. We are fighting with what hand we are given against the usual Imperial Russia expansionism. The past is just so much noise, not that we shouldn't be aware of the possibilities inherent in their history, but we must keep our eyes on the ball. In this case, the true Russian intentions. This is the 8th war Russia has instituted since the dissolution of the Soviet Union, and each one has had the primary objective of moving Russian borders to defensible geographic areas they lost. They do not want the Ukraine per se, but extension to the Carpathian Mountains beyond the Ukraine, but are happy to accept the goodies within Ukraine as a bonus. Their eyes are on Poland and the Latvian nations to regain some semblance of control over the Baltic Sea and their St.Petersberg port. Thus, the Ukraine war had highly significant payoffs for the west in stopping the Russian expansion and seriously attritting their forces. This is clear to every NATO nation, hence their support. Time enough to straighten out the Ukraine once Russia has been fully stymied and stops shooting.

LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago

I suggest you look up
http://www.mearsheimer.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Why-the-Ukraine-Crisis-Is.pdf
It is 12 pages long and I just read it all. I have known of Mearsheimer and seen several of his talks before. A Political Science Prof out of the University of Chicago. In this piece he writes a lot of what I have been saying on Opp about Ukraine since before biden drove Putin into finally moving directly into Ukraine.
I could add a few other arguments, but that is a lot to absorb so I'll leave it at that for now. Peace.

Logically Right

manning5me Loc: Richmond, Va.

Foe me, time starts in 2014. Russian aggression began then, and has only massively amplified itself. With NATO help, the Ukraine has fought Russia almost to a standstill.

The only proper solution is for the full and complete withdrawal of Russia from all Ukraine territory.

If the Ukraine, with massive NATO/US help cannot drive them out, it is necessary that NATO/US demand this solution of Russia under threat of war, and with the rattling of our nuclear sword just a bit, such as resending our prohibition of first use. Full mobilization of NATO forces on the Russian border just might be enough, together with our firm demand, to effect what we want, but probably not r********ns.

I seriously doubt that any western leader has the guts to follow this scenario, but the kicker is, we will very likely get into such a war, but in a very untimely and poorly prepared manner. Just suppose Russia invaded Poland or Latvia in, say, 6 or 8 months after they have produced enough replacements. Article 5 flares and the balloon goes up!

In my opinion, we should be in full scale pr********n for war right now. We need 20 battalions of well-trained troops in the Polish/German arena immediately.

manning5me Loc: Richmond, Va.

LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago

***and with the rattling of our nuclear sword just a bit, such as resending our prohibition of first use.
>>>When you talk like that, I have to say you are sounding unhinged on this subject. I can tell you didn't read that stuff I suggested and so your credibility on this subject is sounding extremely biased and not worth pursuing. Time to move on.

LR

manning5me Loc: Richmond, Va.

Totally expected passivistic reaction. Fine for Russia to intimidate most of NATO with a rattle or two every month, but it appears to be off the table for us to even hint at our possibilities. Doesn't anyone understand the mentality of Putin? He should be reminded definitively that we are prepared for his nuclear threats even if it only is to think out loud of removing the first use rule in this instance. Shying away from it promotes more from him, and increases the chances he will follow through soon, completely destabilizing the world order. Silence is equated to our reluctance, not his. Unhinged indeed!

As I said, no prior moves matter once the invasion starts. We need not play cause and effect games earlier.

LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago

***Unhinged indeed!
>>>On this topic, yes. Putin is defending Russia from real NATO aggression, pushed by America, and I might do the same things or close to that if I were in his position. Again, did you read that 12 page analysis of what has happened in Ukraine from 2005 until 2014? I did and concur and could add and have on OPP many times, more to that then he was writing about. It is about the history and Russia is right on this, winning the war, and if allowed to finish off the war, Putin will work towards Ukraine Neutrality, never being allowed into NATO, possibly the EU, freedom for the donbas and the ethnic Russian Ukrainian citizens to decide their own fate, elimination of the embedded N**is in Ukraine, and he keeps Crimea. If I were him, I would except no less. And keep in mind, he never had and doesn't have now, any intentions of taking all of Ukraine, or attacking Europe to rebuild the Empire that Stalin built.

You are writing with the emotions of the brainwashed l*****ts who have been swamped with Putin, KGB, C*******t, etc h**e rhetoric pushed by our government ever since they broke their word to Russia about never expanding NATO. It is all a major plot by America to continue its control over Europe and feed the voracious appetite of the Military Industrial Complex.

Now, again, I am done with this. You aren't going to change your mind and you still haven't read that 12 page article on the real story behind Ukraine. If you refuse to open your eyes, there is no point in continuing this discussion. DONE.

LR