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Dec 13, 2023 15:05:53   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
facts matter wrote:
You're very good at calling people names. Not so good at giving evidence to prove what you say.


Your handle "facts matter" is a lie

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Dec 13, 2023 15:31:11   #
jimpack123 Loc: wisconsin
 
fullspinzoo wrote:
Tell us in a few paragraphs how the border is sealed up tight. That's when I realized you have nothing important to say. Or cannot distinguish some things that are so obvious. Joe Biden? Of course you will, b/c you're a g*******t and a c****e/Marxist. You would love it if we had most of our freedoms taken away. Ideas like digital, cashless society where it's discovered that I like Trump, or I think Biden is a dictator, they can wipe my savings out with fell swoop. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. They can set an allotment. You allowed $30 a week for groceries. So much for heat per week. You want the government to control every aspect of our lives, period. You are CLUELESS. We won't be able to afford a EV type car. Most people won't have cars. If they don't want you riding the bus, they'll be able to control that. I seldom read your CRAP, and from now on it'll be even less. You should move to Venezuela and European, England and France are going in that direction. You should move there. Meet Rascal Riley. You guys would make a great pair. Example: I had a friend at a casino who was a high roller. Had plenty of comps: free food, rooms, etc. He did something they didn't like, so they took away over $500,000 in comps. "We're not going to feed you for the rest of your life, you know". He passed away a couple of weeks ago. I forgot to include that part in his 'joke of a eulogy'. Don't forget, just 2 or 3 paragraphs on how the border is sealed up tighter than your pocketbook.
Tell us in a few paragraphs how the border is seal... (show quote)


you sure do lie and whine a lot Fullspinbozo lol

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Dec 13, 2023 15:44:44   #
Haski123
 
jack sequim wa wrote:


Did you read the article you posted? WSJ clearly states that repeats of the same lie are included in the count, the article discounts the repeats as not lies- ( a lie today is not the same lie if I tell it again and again and again. I think not.

The article then leaves some statements are not lies but just differences of interpretation of what’s real facts and what isn’t.- fewer number

Then the article goes on to state that 20,000 part way through year( 30,000 four year number while overstated would still be significant if repeats- which are legitimate counts, and interpretations are taken out.

The same process is used for Biden as well so comparative Trump is at 30,000 four year lie rate and Biden is at 400 four year rate. Cut Trumps or all but repeats in half and as article says 15,000 over four years or 10,000 over article measurement timeframe vs Biden’s 400 is still significant- Trump is still King of Liars.

I don’t appreciate the demeaning words related “ ignorant or l*****t troll”
I am a person with personal beliefs and opinions as you are and you don’t see me name calling or demeaning you. It adds no value.

Thanks for sharing your article that supports Trump as a prolific liar.

Thanks for your response

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Dec 13, 2023 16:08:00   #
Marty 2020 Loc: Banana Republic of Kalifornia
 
jimpack123 wrote:
you sure do lie and whine a lot Fullspinbozo lol


Can’t answer, can you?

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Dec 13, 2023 16:11:13   #
Marty 2020 Loc: Banana Republic of Kalifornia
 
Haski123 wrote:
Did you read the article you posted? WSJ clearly states that repeats of the same lie are included in the count, the article discounts the repeats as not lies- ( a lie today is not the same lie if I tell it again and again and again. I think not.

The article then leaves some statements are not lies but just differences of interpretation of what’s real facts and what isn’t.- fewer number

Then the article goes on to state that 20,000 part way through year( 30,000 four year number while overstated would still be significant if repeats- which are legitimate counts, and interpretations are taken out.

The same process is used for Biden as well so comparative Trump is at 30,000 four year lie rate and Biden is at 400 four year rate. Cut Trumps or all but repeats in half and as article says 15,000 over four years or 10,000 over article measurement timeframe vs Biden’s 400 is still significant- Trump is still King of Liars.

I don’t appreciate the demeaning words related “ ignorant or l*****t troll”
I am a person with personal beliefs and opinions as you are and you don’t see me name calling or demeaning you. It adds no value.

Thanks for sharing your article that supports Trump as a prolific liar.

Thanks for your response
Did you read the article you posted? WSJ clearly s... (show quote)


You just can’t figure it out! You democrats are so brainwashed that you can’t see it that America is tanking and it’s your fault!

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Dec 13, 2023 16:15:37   #
federally indicted mattoid
 
Haski123 wrote:
While the possibility exists, what needs to be verified is how many v****g machines were hooked to modems for 2016 & or 2020 e******ns, then how many of those were possibly hacked and v**es changed . Then what was the impact to the results, three dozen machines is like 36 small to medium cities, hardly enough to change overall e******n results. All swing states had outside audits- no variance or irregularities that would change those state results, most did validation of machine counts to actual paper b****ts after.

Your evidence shows it could happen, all other evidence says any “rigging” was not enough to change the e******n outcome- it’s just mathematics.

I have a view of what happened in 2020.1) Trump four years in office stimulated more people( many previously non v**ers) to turn out to v**e. That’s why v**e numbers increased- Trump drove it with his first term.
2)more of the increased v**ers didn’t v**e for Biden as much as they v**ed against Trump and Biden was the only other viable candidate.
Trump disenfranchised to many independent and diverse v**ers with his partisan, demeaning rhetoric and chronic lying. The C***d P******c and Trumps handling of it also moved v**ers to Biden in 2020.

That’s my view, much more sense than the tons of conspiracy theories that have been fully debunked .
While the possibility exists, what needs to be ver... (show quote)


That view is shared by many.

Thanks for sharing Haski

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Dec 13, 2023 16:17:07   #
federally indicted mattoid
 
Haski123 wrote:
No one is asking anyone to tiptoe. Just asking for civil conversation vs demeaning name calling that adds no value.

Name calling or demeaning others shows a lack of respect for others, respect is one of the moral issues supposedly destroying our country. Only you and I through civil conversation showing respect for each other’s ability to express our opinions in this free speech country can we rebuild morality and build a bridge of understanding ( not necessarily agreement) of each other views and supporting facts.
No one is asking anyone to tiptoe. Just asking for... (show quote)


What!

You want to take away their only "debate" tactic??


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Dec 13, 2023 16:19:59   #
federally indicted mattoid
 
Haski123 wrote:
I’ve referred you to Wall Street Journal fact checker on Trump and Biden, Trump ran at over 30,000 lies in four years, Biden running at about 100/ year rate. Trump has seldom if ever corrected any of his lies, Biden has many times corrected his lies. Allowing any lying is a low bar but Trump is first again- King of lying.
Even if WSJ was overstated for Trump by 50% and understated for Biden by 50%(which neither are true) it would be 15,000 to 800- not even close.
30,000 is a lot more than five, Trump continues his lies. Look up “Trump recent lies” on internet, it’s loaded- WSJ, Politico and a few others are tracking. You can look up same for Biden as well- no comparison to the number and seriousness of Trumps lies vs Biden’s- Trump has earned the King of Liars title.
I’ve referred you to Wall Street Journal fact chec... (show quote)


But but that's what makes trump a great leader!

Of the cult

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Dec 13, 2023 16:29:04   #
Haski123
 
Marty 2020 wrote:
You just can’t figure it out! You democrats are so brainwashed that you can’t see it that America is tanking and it’s your fault!


Exactly other than inflation , which has been reducing, what parts and how are the parts of America “ tanking”? Help me see it please.

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Dec 13, 2023 16:35:18   #
Marty 2020 Loc: Banana Republic of Kalifornia
 
Haski123 wrote:
Exactly other than inflation , which has been reducing, what parts and how are the parts of America “ tanking”? Help me see it please.


Laughingstock of the world! Can’t put the poser in chief on the world stage! He’s inept and an embarrassment. The vp is the least effective veep we’ve ever had. Oil prices are at their peak all the time compared to Trump’s record.
Our nonexistent border is the biggest disaster since WW2! There’s probably more terrorists in America than outside America!

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Dec 13, 2023 16:52:04   #
microphor Loc: Home is TN
 
Haski123 wrote:
I’ve referred you to Wall Street Journal fact checker on Trump and Biden, Trump ran at over 30,000 lies in four years, Biden running at about 100/ year rate. Trump has seldom if ever corrected any of his lies, Biden has many times corrected his lies. Allowing any lying is a low bar but Trump is first again- King of lying.
Even if WSJ was overstated for Trump by 50% and understated for Biden by 50%(which neither are true) it would be 15,000 to 800- not even close.
30,000 is a lot more than five, Trump continues his lies. Look up “Trump recent lies” on internet, it’s loaded- WSJ, Politico and a few others are tracking. You can look up same for Biden as well- no comparison to the number and seriousness of Trumps lies vs Biden’s- Trump has earned the King of Liars title.
I’ve referred you to Wall Street Journal fact chec... (show quote)


Left-wing nut one time posted that Donald Trump has lied 30000 times. Yet For the last 2 years I've been asking for a list of those 30000 lies. You know how many times it's been posted 0. You know why? Because the left post a lie in the rest of you run with it. Waiting for list!

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Dec 13, 2023 16:53:03   #
microphor Loc: Home is TN
 
facts matter wrote:
They went after trump because trump believes that laws are written for other people, not him.
What documents were altered? What warrants were illegal? What lies were propagated?


Well, we know that's a croc ofs***Because they started going after him before he even swore into office And let's not forget that prior to him registering as a Republican. The left wrote songs about him praised him, interviewed him, encouraged him ito run for president. Liars and hypocrites is what the left is

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Dec 13, 2023 16:53:38   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
Haski123 wrote:
Did you read the article you posted? WSJ clearly states that repeats of the same lie are included in the count, the article discounts the repeats as not lies- ( a lie today is not the same lie if I tell it again and again and again. I think not.

The article then leaves some statements are not lies but just differences of interpretation of what’s real facts and what isn’t.- fewer number

Then the article goes on to state that 20,000 part way through year( 30,000 four year number while overstated would still be significant if repeats- which are legitimate counts, and interpretations are taken out.

The same process is used for Biden as well so comparative Trump is at 30,000 four year lie rate and Biden is at 400 four year rate. Cut Trumps or all but repeats in half and as article says 15,000 over four years or 10,000 over article measurement timeframe vs Biden’s 400 is still significant- Trump is still King of Liars.

I don’t appreciate the demeaning words related “ ignorant or l*****t troll”
I am a person with personal beliefs and opinions as you are and you don’t see me name calling or demeaning you. It adds no value.

Thanks for sharing your article that supports Trump as a prolific liar.

Thanks for your response
Did you read the article you posted? WSJ clearly s... (show quote)



Your reading comprehension, critical thinking sk**ls are at moron level dipstick.
Apparently you didn't read,comprehend the article.

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Dec 13, 2023 18:10:14   #
facts matter
 
Marty 2020 wrote:
If it’s not too much trouble, could you post perhaps 100 of your claim of 30000?
We’ve asked and asked and asked…
But you lefties have never backed up your bark with any kind of bite!

JAN. 21 “I wasn't a fan of Iraq. I didn't want to go into Iraq.” (He was for an invasion before he was against it.) JAN. 21 “A reporter for Time magazine — and I have been on their cover 14 or 15 times. I think we have the all-time record in the history of Time magazine.” (Trump was on the cover 11 times and Nixon appeared 55 times.) JAN. 23 “Between 3 million and 5 million illegal v**es caused me to lose the popular v**e.” (There's no evidence of illegal v****g.) JAN. 25 “Now, the audience was the biggest ever. But this crowd was massive. Look how far back it goes. This crowd was massive.” (Official aerial photos show Obama's 2009 inauguration was much more heavily attended.) JAN. 25 “Take a look at the Pew reports (which show v***r f***d.)” (The report never mentioned v***r f***d.) JAN. 25 “You had millions of people that now aren't insured anymore.” (The real number is less than 1 million, according to the Urban Institute.) JAN. 25 “So, look, when President Obama was there two weeks ago making a speech, very nice speech. Two people were shot and k**led during his speech. You can't have that.” (There were no gun homicide victims in Chicago that day.) JAN. 26 “We've taken in tens of thousands of people. We know nothing about them. They can say they vet them. They didn't vet them. They have no papers. How can you vet somebody when you don't know anything about them and you have no papers? How do you vet them? You can't.” (Vetting lasts up to two years.) JAN. 26 “I cut off hundreds of millions of dollars off one particular plane, hundreds of millions of dollars in a short period of time. It wasn't like I spent, like, weeks, hours, less than hours, and many, many hundreds of millions of dollars. And the plane's going to be better.” (Most of the cuts were already planned.) JAN. 28 “The coverage about me in the @nytimes and the @washingtonpost has been so false and angry that the Times actually apologized to its dwindling subscribers and readers.” (It never apologized.) JAN. 29 “The Cuban-Americans, I got 84 percent of that v**e.” (There is no support for this.) JAN. 30 “Only 109 people out of 325,000 were detained and held for questioning. Big problems at airports were caused by Delta computer outage.” (At least 746 people were detained and processed, and the Delta outage happened two days later.) FEB. 3 “Professional anarchists, thugs and paid protesters are proving the point of the millions of people who v**ed to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!” (There is no evidence of paid protesters.) FEB. 4 “After being forced to apologize for its bad and inaccurate coverage of me after winning the e******n, the F**E NEWS @nytimes is still lost!” (It never apologized.) FEB. 5 “We had 109 people out of hundreds of thousands of travelers and all we did was vet those people very, very carefully.” (About 60,000 people were affected.) FEB. 6 “I have already saved more than $700 million when I got involved in the negotiation on the F-35.” (Much of the price drop was projected before Trump took office.) FEB. 6 “It's gotten to a point where it is not even being reported. And in many cases, the very, very dishonest press doesn't want to report it.” (Terrorism has been reported on, often in detail.) FEB. 6 “The failing @nytimes was forced to apologize to its subscribers for the poor reporting it did on my e******n win. Now they are worse!” (It didn't apologize.) FEB. 6 “And the previous administration allowed it to happen because we shouldn't have been in Iraq, but we shouldn't have gotten out the way we got out. It created a vacuum, ISIS was formed.” (The group’s origins date to 2004.) FEB. 7 “And yet the murder rate in our country is the highest it’s been in 47 years, right? Did you know that? Forty-seven years.” (It was higher in the 1980s and '90s.) FEB. 7 “I saved more than $600 million. I got involved in negotiation on a fighter jet, the F-35.” (The Defense Department projected this price drop before Trump took office.) FEB. 9 “Chris Cuomo, in his interview with Sen. Blumenthal, never asked him about his long-term lie about his brave ‘service’ in Vietnam. F**E NEWS!” (It was part of Cuomo's first question.) FEB. 9 “Sen. Richard Blumenthal now misrepresents what Judge Gorsuch told him?” (The Gorsuch comments were later corroborated.) FEB. 10 “I don’t know about it. I haven’t seen it. What report is that?” (Trump knew about Flynn's actions for weeks.) FEB. 12 “Just leaving Florida. Big crowds of enthusiastic supporters lining the road that the F**E NEWS media refuses to mention. Very dishonest!” (The media did cover it.) FEB. 16 “We got 306 because people came out and v**ed like they've never seen before so that's the way it goes. I guess it was the biggest E*******l College win since Ronald Reagan.” (George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton and Barack Obama all won bigger margins in the E*******l College.) FEB. 16 “That’s the other thing that was wrong with the travel ban. You had Delta with a massive problem with their computer system at the airports.” (Delta's problems happened two days later.) FEB. 16 “Walmart announced it will create 10,000 jobs in the United States just this year because of our various plans and initiatives.” (The jobs are a result of its investment plans announced in Oct. 2016.) FEB. 16 “When WikiLeaks, which I had nothing to do with, comes out and happens to give, they’re not giving classified information.” (Not always. They have released classified information in the past.) FEB. 16 “We had a very smooth rollout of the travel ban. But we had a bad court. Got a bad decision.” (The rollout was chaotic.) FEB. 16 “They’re giving stuff — what was said at an office about Hillary c***ting on the debates. Which, by the way, nobody mentions. Nobody mentions that Hillary received the questions to the debates.” (It was widely covered.) FEB. 18 “And there was no way to vet those people. There was no documentation. There was no nothing.” (Refugees receive multiple background checks, taking up to two years.) FEB. 18 “You look at what's happening in Germany, you look at what's happening last night in Sweden. Sweden, who would believe this?” (Trump implied there was a terror attack in Sweden, but there was no such attack.) FEB. 24 “By the way, you folks are in here — this place is packed, there are lines that go back six blocks.” (There was no evidence of long lines.) FEB. 24 “ICE came and endorsed me.” (Only its union did.) FEB. 24 “Obamacare covers very few people — and remember, deduct from the number all of the people that had great health care that they loved that was taken away from them — it was taken away from them.” (Obamacare increased coverage by a net of about 20 million.) FEB. 27 “Since Obamacare went into effect, nearly half of the insurers are stopped and have stopped from participating in the Obamacare exchanges.” (Many fewer pulled out.) FEB. 27 “On one plane, on a small order of one plane, I saved $725 million. And I would say I dev**ed about, if I added it up, all those calls, probably about an hour. So I think that might be my highest and best use.” (Much of the price cut was already projected.) FEB. 28 “And now, based on our very strong and frank discussions, they are beginning to do just that.” (NATO countries agreed to meet defense spending requirements in 2014.) FEB. 28 “The E.P.A.’s regulators were putting people out of jobs by the hundreds of thousands.” (There's no evidence that the Waters of the United States rule caused severe job losses.) FEB. 28 “We have begun to drain the swamp of government corruption by imposing a five-year ban on lobbying by executive branch officials.” (They can't lobby their former agency but can still become lobbyists.) MARCH 3 “It is so pathetic that the Dems have still not approved my full Cabinet.” (Paperwork for the last two candidates was still not submitted to the Senate.) MARCH 4 “Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my ‘wires tapped’ in Trump Tower just before the victory. Nothing found. This is McCarthyism!” (There's no evidence of a wiretap.) MARCH 4 “How low has President Obama gone to tap my phones during the very sacred e******n process. This is Nixon/Watergate. Bad (or sick) guy!” (There's no evidence of a wiretap.) MARCH 7 “122 vicious prisoners, released by the Obama Administration from Gitmo, have returned to the battlefield. Just another terrible decision!” (113 of them were released by President George W. Bush.) MARCH 13 “I saved a lot of money on those jets, didn't I? Did I do a good job? More than $725 million on them.” (Much of the cost cuts were planned before Trump.) MARCH 13 “First of all, it covers very few people.” (About 20 million people gained insurance under Obamacare.) MARCH 15 “On the airplanes, I saved $725 million. Probably took me a half an hour if you added up all of the times.” (Much of the cost cuts were planned before Trump.) MARCH 17 “I was in Tennessee — I was just telling the folks — and half of the state has no insurance company, and the other half is going to lose the insurance company.” (There's at least one insurer in every Tennessee county.) MARCH 20 “With just one negotiation on one set of airplanes, I saved the taxpayers of our country over $700 million.” (Much of the cost cuts were planned before Trump.) MARCH 21 “To save taxpayer dollars, I’ve already begun negotiating better contracts for the federal government — saving over $700 million on just one set of airplanes of which there are many sets.” (Much of the cost cuts were planned before Trump.) MARCH 22 “I make the statement, everyone goes crazy. The next day they have a massive r**t, and death, and problems.” (R**ts in Sweden broke out two days later and there were no deaths.) MARCH 22 “NATO, obsolete, because it doesn’t cover terrorism. They fixed that.” (It has fought terrorism since the 1980s.) MARCH 22 “Well, now, if you take a look at the v**es, when I say that, I mean mostly they register wrong — in other words, for the v**es, they register incorrectly and/or illegally. And they then v**e. You have tremendous numbers of people.” (There's no evidence of widespread v***r f***d.) MARCH 29 “Remember when the failing @nytimes apologized to its subscribers, right after the e******n, because their coverage was so wrong. Now worse!” (It didn't apologize.) MARCH 31 “We have a lot of plants going up now in Michigan that were never going to be there if I — if I didn’t win this e******n, those plants would never even think about going back. They were gone.” (These investments were already planned.) APRIL 2 “And I was totally opposed to the war in the Middle East which I think finally has been proven, people tried very hard to say I wasn’t but you’ve seen that it is now improving.” (He was for an invasion before he was against it.) APRIL 2 “Now, my last tweet — you know, the one that you are talking about, perhaps — was the one about being, in quotes, wiretapped, meaning surveilled. Guess what, it is turning out to be true.” (There is still no evidence.) APRIL 5 “You have many states coming up where they’re going to have no insurance company. O.K.? It’s already happened in Tennessee. It’s happening in Kentucky. Tennessee only has half coverage. Half the state is gone. They left.” (Every marketplace region in Tennessee had at least one insurer.) APRIL 6 “If you look at the kind of cost-cutting we’ve been able to achieve with the military and at the same time ordering vast amounts of equipment — saved hundreds of millions of dollars on airplanes, and really billions, because if you take that out over a period of years it’s many billions of dollars — I think we’ve had a tremendous success.” (Much of the price cuts were already projected.) APRIL 11 “I like Steve, but you have to remember he was not involved in my campaign until very late. I had already beaten all the senators and all the governors, and I didn’t know Steve.” (He knew Steve Bannon since 2011.) APRIL 12 “You can't do it faster, because they're obstructing. They're obstructionists. So I have people — hundreds of people that we're trying to get through. I mean you have — you see the backlog. We can't get them through.” (At this point, he had not nominated anyone for hundreds of positions.) APRIL 12 “The New York Times said the word wiretapped in the headline of the first edition. Then they took it out of there fast when they realized.” (There were separate headlines for print and web, but neither were altered.) APRIL 12 “The secretary general and I had a productive discussion about what more NATO can do in the fight against terrorism. I complained about that a long time ago and they made a change, and now they do fight terrorism.” (NATO has been engaged in counterterrorism efforts since the 1980s.) APRIL 12 “Mosul was supposed to last for a week and now they’ve been fighting it for many months and so many more people died.” (The campaign was expected to take months.) APRIL 16 “Someone should look into who paid for the small organized rallies yesterday. The e******n is over!” (There's no evidence of paid protesters.) APRIL 18 “The f**e media goes, ‘Donald Trump changed his stance on China.’ I haven’t changed my stance.” (He did.) APRIL 21 “On 90 planes I saved $725 million. It's actually a little bit more than that, but it's $725 million.” (Much of the price cuts were already projected.) APRIL 21 “When WikiLeaks came out ... never heard of WikiLeaks, never heard of it.” (He criticized it as early as 2010.) APRIL 27 “I want to help our miners while the Democrats are blocking their healthcare.” (The bill to extend health benefits for certain coal miners was introduced by a Democrat and was co-sponsored by mostly Democrats.) APRIL 28 “The trade deficit with Mexico is close to $70 billion, even with Canada it’s $17 billion trade deficit with Canada.” (The U.S. had an $8.1 billion trade surplus, not deficit, with Canada in 2016.) APRIL 28 “She's running against someone who's going to raise your taxes to the sky, destroy your health care, and he's for open borders — lots of crime.” (Those are not Jon Ossoff's positions.) APRIL 28 “The F-35 fighter jet program — it was way over budget. I’ve saved $725 million plus, just by getting involved in the negotiation.” (Much of the price cuts were planned before Trump.) APRIL 29 “As you know, I've been a big critic of China, and I've been talking about currency manipulation for a long time. But I have to tell you that during the e******n, number one, they stopped.” (China stopped years ago.) APRIL 29 “I've already saved more than $725 million on a simple order of F-35 planes. I got involved in the negotiation.” (Much of the price cuts were planned before Trump.) The rest wouldn't fit.

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Dec 13, 2023 18:24:51   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
So weak minded "Facts matter" blocked me.


But I do commend him on excellent ability to cut & past opinion propaganda and sell it as facts.
What a jackass

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