PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.

A man doesn’t think he should have to show identification in order to drop off a stray at an animal shelter and ends up k**led by cops?

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The Reason.com blog has a really good post about the import of a man fatally shot in the stomach by police. According to Raw Story:

Police fatally shot an Alabama “sovereign citizen” Tuesday during an altercation at an animal shelter.


Investigators said 30-year-old Robert Earl Lawrence became disorderly as he attempted to turn over a stray animal about 12:30 p.m. to the Dothan City Animal Shelter when an employee told him he could not leave without showing identification.

He instead showed paperwork that identified him as a sovereign citizen and, therefore, not bound by federal, state, or local laws.

Employees called police, who attempted to arrest Lawrence after they said he refused to calm down.

Police said Lawrence struggled with the arresting officer, who then shot him in the abdomen.

Lawrence died about 9:50 p.m., authorities said.

Since Lawrence was an “angry white male” he gets none of the help from the media or from any political activists that Michael Brown got. Somehow, his temper and history of violence make him more deserving of death than Michael Brown—as far as we can tell of the media reaction. He simply doesn’t warrant anyone’s sympathy or concern.

In fact, Raw Story makes sure to list every single claim from the Police Department to make sure we regard him as a loser that no one should worry about:

Prosecutors said Lawrence had obvious anger issues and often expressed anti-government views.

He pleaded guilty earlier this year to making harassing communications in connection with threats he made in January 2013 to the State Department of Human Resources, and he served 90 days in jail in that case.

Investigators said he had been angry with the department in connection with a child custody dispute.

Lawrence threatened to take a child hostage like Jimmy Lee D**es, who snatched a 5-year-old child earlier this year and held him for a week in an underground bunker.

He also made references to the Sandy Hook Elementary shooting, investigators said.

Two women filed protection orders against Lawrence this year after he allegedly choked one and threatened another.

Some of that is serious but some of it is mere allegation at this point and other stuff he has already served time for. And why are his opinions on Sandy Hook mentioned as relevant to anything? Are conspiracy theorists now fair game? That won’t make them less likely to believe conspiracy theories!

And it all started because there is a law in Alabama that you don’t get to leave an animal shelter without showing that “your papers are in order”? Is that even true? It blows my mind. Why do we need to call the police because someone doesn’t want to show I.D. at an animal shelter?

Notice there is no claim that Lawrence actually hurt a police officer and that an officer feared for his life. It’s not even clear why they arrested him. Being angry is a crime now? Did they even offer to let him leave with his animal? Again, it is mind-blowing that you are required to show identification at an animal shelter. I’m not getting over that one.

I guess a “sovereign citizen” is something bad, but do we k**l political dissidents in this country?

The fact is that, once police k**l you, every crime, sin, and vice they can pin on you to the public will be recited as capital crimes for which they were justified in shooting you.

Your temper
Your domestic problems
Your past jail time
Your political attitudes.
All of them will mean you were worthy of death and the public should be unconcerned—or rather should praise the heroism of the police.

I think it is fully possible that the police officer was justified at the moment of shooting. But the entire tragedy should never have taken place. Like arresting Eric Garner for selling loose cigarettes, Alabama’s law is a ridiculous reason for a confrontation. Indeed, anyone with any sense of what America is supposed to be should be offended by the requirement for identification.

Nick Gillespie of Reason.com is right: “These are the sorts of stories that drip, drip, drip across newspapers and websites and underscore fears that something is very wrong with law enforcement in today’s America.”


Read more at http://politicaloutcast.com/2015/01/man-brings-cat-animal-shelter-gets-k**led-cops/#22FBtFIIABqCUu8x.99

EL Loc: Massachusetts

But......we are NOT required to show ID to v**e.

Sicilianthing

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No problem, so the next time it's Open Season on Cops... (anyday now)... then no one should complain ?

Ha... wow the Irony is just EPIC !

I can't wait for the next episode... this POT is seriously boiling.

It's called Anti-Police state Unconstitutional for a CAT ! ! !

WTF people ?

dan miller Loc: U.S.A./Michigan

Why did he suggle with the cops over id?
If he went for the cop's gun then shot then maybe but over a refuse to sshow id no way !!!!!

grace scott

Maybe you aren't, but I am. Maybe I am more dangerous looking than you.

Sicilianthing

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When you're a Sovereign citizen you don't have to show anyone anthing if you don't want to... especially the Police State !

Look it up and learn !

Blacksheep

If we were all "sovereign citizens" and not bound to laws, that would be anarchy.

He should have remained calm when confronted with a guy holding a gun, who has a license to k**l people. Apparently he went bugfugg instead. Not smart.

The real point to this story, in my view, is not that there's something wrong with law enforcement, it's that we're allowing black assholes to disrupt our society with their "demonstrations" that include r**ting, l**ting, burning.

Humans abuse power. It's what we do, it's what we all do. Cops have power. They often abuse it. So? We knew they would when we gave it to them, and it's our job to force them to keep it down to a minimum and fire them when they don't. The only thing wrong with law enforcement is what's wrong with all of us. We abuse power. B***hing about that won't change human nature.

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

Police brutality has become all too common, but not covered in the MSM. Thanks for posting this.

Blacksheep

Has become? It's way less than what it was. Not more.

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

You may be right there. It seems to be the variety of PB that is going on.

Blacksheep

By PB I take it you mean Police Brutality. Seems to me cops are pretty careful anymore about shooting b****s, maybe even more so than shooting w****s. I see more actual, genuine cases of cops brutalizing women now, than anything else, and each time it was caught on their grille camera, the cop was fired.

Back in the 1950's and '60s, cops shot people in the back who ran from them, didn't matter if the person was armed or not or what they might have done. Cops engaged in high speed chases through traffic, that got bystanders k**led, and that crap has been stopped. I remember cases in the news where multiple innocent people were k**led by cops giving chase to bad guys.

The cops have been toned down considerably, and it's not because they care, it's because of all those successful lawsuits sucking city treasuries dry that have forced mayors and aldermen to clamp down on the behavior of their police forces. Remember Rodney King? That one cost L.A. a real bundle. And there was that immigrant, a Somalian, I think, that was cornholed with a broom handle in jail, by cops. That resulted in some serious changes being made.

It's not nearly as bad as it used to be. I remember.

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

You covered this well

lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas

Yep. When a cop says "stop", ignore them, we have rights. When a cop asks for ID, fight them, we have rights. When a cop says "show your hands", stick them in your pockets or reach onto your waist band, we have rights.

As for me, I know what my rights are, but when a cop tells me to do something - I do it. Those are THEIR rights - to have a citizen follow the lawful orders of the police - and if it turns out the order was not lawful - file a complaint and hire an attorney. That's how it works and it is NOT lawful or even sensible for a citizen to take the law into their OWN hands - and defy the police.

The problem is NOT with the police - it is with an increasingly hostile, angry, frustrated and delusional populace - who have been lead to believe that they can do as they please without consequence. The fact is - there ARE consequences - every time and for everything.

Blacksheep

I try. :P Cops were a lot rougher especially when I was a kid. Public outrage helped calm them down a lot too, I think. Back when I was a teenager, if you or anyone in your car looked at a cop in a car going the opposite way, he would turn around and stop you and harass the hell out of all of you. I had all sorts of run-ins with the police even before I could drive, just standing in front of my home talking to friends. Some bored cops would drive by, see us kids, and stop and harass us until our parents came out and chased them off. Repeated complaints to the police department finally ended that harassment. None of that stuff goes on today that I've heard about.

I drove around to the back of a business, using their driveway, to load up a showcase I bought and proceeded on out the connecting *unmarked* alley that formed an x in the center of the square city block. At the center I went to take a left and a big fat motorcycle cop came roaring up, screaming at me, that I was going the wrong way down that *unmarked* alley, and kept grabbing for his billy club. I explained that it was UNMARKED as to being one-way, he kept screaming anyway, so I asked him to just give me a ticket, figuring that would at least get his hands off his goddam billy club. Instead he screamed at me that he was going to haunt me forever, he had to go on a call but he would find me again, blah blah.

After he took off I went straight to the police department, demanded to see his lieutenant, did see him, told him what happened, he called that cop in to his office off his beat, and that POS had to apologize to me and promise that he was NOT going to haunt me on the city streets.

When they do right, that's great but when they do wrong, it's our duty to call them on it. If we don't we just encourage them to do it again.

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

It is all about common sense. I have had my experiences. There are many good cops. The trouble is; too many punks become cops for the power.