The Origin of Life
Nov 29, 2023 07:48:55 #
manning5me
Loc: Richmond, Va.
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
I don't see how that was a failure...
He still proved that certain amino acids could be created...
The earth's history is of billions of years...
I thought you were perhaps referring to the glass factor..
He still proved that certain amino acids could be created...
The earth's history is of billions of years...
I thought you were perhaps referring to the glass factor..
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Yes, just about as anyone could do so in a lab, not sequenced for life, and impossible to use to create life. It was a sham and meant nothing but that the wrong kind of Un sequenced amino acids could be synthesized. Big whoop! Done all the time commercially using more straightforward procedures for other purposes, I understand.
Nov 30, 2023 11:59:09 #
manning5me wrote:
I support the position that we do not know how lif... (show quote)
You could also argue that the first heavier than air vehicle the Wright brothers built had to be as complex as the space shuttle.
Nov 30, 2023 15:48:39 #
manning5me
Loc: Richmond, Va.
SeaLass wrote:
You could also argue that the first heavier than air vehicle the Wright brothers built had to be as complex as the space shuttle.
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Apply the law of proportionality, P, to them for power spent, altitude flown, distance flown, payload, etc. and you get a ratio of something like P=10^8th factor or higher. They had no capability to reach such a P factor then. Then C=GxP where G is the constant of proportionality. So, with their P so low their complexity factor was nearer 300.
Dec 1, 2023 14:19:30 #
manning5me wrote:
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Apply the law of proportionality, P, to them for power spent, altitude flown, distance flown, payload, etc. and you get a ratio of something like P=10^8th factor or higher. They had no capability to reach such a P factor then. Then C=GxP where G is the constant of proportionality. So, with their P so low their complexity factor was nearer 300.
Apply the law of proportionality, P, to them for power spent, altitude flown, distance flown, payload, etc. and you get a ratio of something like P=10^8th factor or higher. They had no capability to reach such a P factor then. Then C=GxP where G is the constant of proportionality. So, with their P so low their complexity factor was nearer 300.
Meaning what???? Where do the numerical values of P and G actually come from? Your comment on the P value sounds like the point I was trying to make. The "first cell" was extremally simple as were the Wright Flyers, modern day cells are far more complex, as were the space shuttles.
Dec 1, 2023 14:36:24 #
manning5me
Loc: Richmond, Va.
SeaLass wrote:
Meaning what???? Where do the numerical values of P and G actually come from? Your comment on the P value sounds like the point I was trying to make. The "first cell" was extremally simple as were the Wright Flyers, modern day cells are far more complex, as were the space shuttles.
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My post indicated where the P value was derived from. If you do the same for both the shuttle and the Wright plane, you get an enormous value for the shuttle P value and a very small value for the Wright plane P value. If you wish to convert P values to C values (Complexity) it can be done if you know the G value for the proportionality constant. I assumed it to be 1. It is easy to find the shuttle to be far and away more complex than the Wright plane.
I cannot agree with you that the first cell was simpler than subsequent cells. There is no way to know that.
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