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The First Step in Achieving "Peace in the Middle East"
Nov 21, 2023 07:54:53   #
ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island
 
In this video, Jewish Rabbi Yaakov Shapiro explains what it means to be Jewish, and how the religious (Orthodox) Jews (those who actually believe in God) view Z*****m as antithetical to Judaism.

He defines the problem very simply. "If Israel is the state of the Jewish people, that's a very big problem for everybody. If Israel is the state of the Israeli's, that's the start of the peace process."

He delves into the subject of "Christian Z*****ts" (of which there are many here on OPP), which is a subject that is further expounded upon in an article by James Perloff which is linked below.

https://youtu.be/QKRSiqBWqNM

https://jamesperloff.net/war-on-christianity-part-2/



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Nov 22, 2023 03:55:03   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
ACP45 wrote:
In this video, Jewish Rabbi Yaakov Shapiro explains what it means to be Jewish, and how the religious (Orthodox) Jews (those who actually believe in God) view Z*****m as antithetical to Judaism.

He defines the problem very simply. "If Israel is the state of the Jewish people, that's a very big problem for everybody. If Israel is the state of the Israeli's, that's the start of the peace process."

He delves into the subject of "Christian Z*****ts" (of which there are many here on OPP), which is a subject that is further expounded upon in an article by James Perloff which is linked below.

https://youtu.be/QKRSiqBWqNM

https://jamesperloff.net/war-on-christianity-part-2/
In this video, Jewish Rabbi Yaakov Shapiro explain... (show quote)


Good article

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Nov 22, 2023 07:21:35   #
ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Good article


Apparently, only you and I think so!

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Nov 22, 2023 19:49:31   #
Radar OReilly
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Good article



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Nov 23, 2023 06:00:45   #
ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island
 
Radar OReilly wrote:


Ah, one more convert I see! Progress, slow but sure.

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Nov 23, 2023 06:42:44   #
Rose42
 
ACP45 wrote:
Ah, one more convert I see! Progress, slow but sure.


Convert to what? You do realize that article is long on opinion and makes many assumptions that I haven’t seen to be true. Some t***h yes - rather like the Scofield bible. Lol.

Christians are not immune to believing conspiracy theories.

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Nov 23, 2023 07:37:11   #
ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island
 
Rose42 wrote:
Convert to what? You do realize that article is long on opinion and makes many assumptions that I haven’t seen to be true. Some t***h yes - rather like the Scofield bible. Lol.

Christians are not immune to believing conspiracy theories.


Rose, there is a big difference between being a practicing Jew and being Jewish.
Israel is the state of Israeli citizens, not the Jews. The Jews are not a monolithic block. If you accept the Pew Research Center Study, nearly 50% of Jews (Hilonim) comprise this sub-catogory, and 40% of them don't even believe in God! Hilonim see being Jewish as a matter of ancestry and culture rather than as a matter of religion.

Haredim are the most religiously devout group in Israel, and some have long felt there should not have been the establishment of a formal Jewish state before the arrival of the Messiah.

I urge you to watch the video below. I mentioned this in a previous post. Jewish Rabbi Yaakov Shapiro addresses the difference between Judiasm and Z*****m, and the difference between a "holy land" and a "homeland", and a whole host of other issues.

At the 22 min mark, he talks about what he feels is the key to starting peace in the middle east. "If Israel is the state of the Jewish people, that's a very big problem for everybody. If Israel is the state of the Israeli's, that's the start of the peace process." I fully agree with his statement!


Jewish Rabbi Yaakov Shapiro on the difference between Judiasm and Z*****m - https://youtu.be/QKRSiqBWqNM

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2016/03/08/in-israel-jews-are-united-by-homeland-but-divided-into-very-different-groups/

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Nov 23, 2023 18:21:54   #
Rose42
 
ACP45 wrote:
Rose, there is a big difference between being a practicing Jew and being Jewish.
Israel is the state of Israeli citizens, not the Jews. The Jews are not a monolithic block. If you accept the Pew Research Center Study, nearly 50% of Jews (Hilonim) comprise this sub-catogory, and 40% of them don't even believe in God! Hilonim see being Jewish as a matter of ancestry and culture rather than as a matter of religion.

Haredim are the most religiously devout group in Israel, and some have long felt there should not have been the establishment of a formal Jewish state before the arrival of the Messiah.

I urge you to watch the video below. I mentioned this in a previous post. Jewish Rabbi Yaakov Shapiro addresses the difference between Judiasm and Z*****m, and the difference between a "holy land" and a "homeland", and a whole host of other issues.

At the 22 min mark, he talks about what he feels is the key to starting peace in the middle east. "If Israel is the state of the Jewish people, that's a very big problem for everybody. If Israel is the state of the Israeli's, that's the start of the peace process." I fully agree with his statement!


Jewish Rabbi Yaakov Shapiro on the difference between Judiasm and Z*****m - https://youtu.be/QKRSiqBWqNM

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2016/03/08/in-israel-jews-are-united-by-homeland-but-divided-into-very-different-groups/
Rose, there is a big difference between being a pr... (show quote)


I know there is a difference and have heard various opinions - from rabbis and others - on the matter. I will try and watch the video and see if it has any new information to add.

Jews have various factions just as Christians do.

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Nov 23, 2023 21:43:59   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Rose42 wrote:
I know there is a difference and have heard various opinions - from rabbis and others - on the matter. I will try and watch the video and see if it has any new information to add.

Jews have various factions just as Christians do.


But there are no secular Christians

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Nov 23, 2023 22:56:52   #
Rose42
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
But there are no secular Christians


There are those who call themselves Christians but they are secular

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Nov 23, 2023 22:57:49   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Rose42 wrote:
There are those who call themselves Christians but they are secular


Perhaps...
My point is that one can be a Jew without being religious...

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Nov 23, 2023 23:03:21   #
Rose42
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Perhaps...
My point is that one can be a Jew without being religious...


I know your point but that was not my point

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