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Can you h**e anyone, and be a Christian?
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Nov 19, 2023 21:29:56   #
Marty 2020 Loc: Banana Republic of Kalifornia
 
I have my opinion.
What’s yours?

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Nov 19, 2023 21:38:44   #
LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago
 
yes

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Nov 19, 2023 21:45:16   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Marty 2020 wrote:
I have my opinion.
What’s yours?


Yes. It is a human emotion and generally a sin; However God forgives and we are commanded to h**e evil after all.

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Nov 19, 2023 21:45:16   #
Liberty Tree
 
Marty 2020 wrote:
I have my opinion.
What’s yours?


Jesus did not have a lot of love for the religious leaders of His day.

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Nov 19, 2023 21:46:20   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
Marty 2020 wrote:
I have my opinion.
What’s yours?


No. You can intensely dislike someone; however, h**e is over the line.

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Nov 19, 2023 21:51:23   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
AuntiE wrote:
No. You can intensely dislike someone; however, h**e is over the line.


https://www.biblestudytools.com/bible-study/topical-studies/abhor-what-is-evil-hold-fast-to-what-is-good-11600930.html

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Nov 19, 2023 21:52:12   #
Marty 2020 Loc: Banana Republic of Kalifornia
 
AuntiE wrote:
No. You can intensely dislike someone; however, h**e is over the line.


Psalm 139:21-24 check it out and get back to me 🤷‍♂️

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Nov 19, 2023 21:53:32   #
Marty 2020 Loc: Banana Republic of Kalifornia
 
JFlorio wrote:
https://www.biblestudytools.com/bible-study/topical-studies/abhor-what-is-evil-hold-fast-to-what-is-good-11600930.html


Romans 12:9 bookended by 12:19
Maybe 18 I forget 😳

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Nov 19, 2023 22:54:00   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
Marty 2020 wrote:
I have my opinion.
What’s yours?


https://biblereasons.com/h**e/

Bible Verses About H**e
Fritz Chery Aug 28, 2023
Definition of h**e in the Bible

H**e is a strong word that should never be used. The only time that we should h**e on our Christian walk of faith is when it comes to sin. We should always h**e sin and evil and continually be at war with them. We should be at war with the sin of hating others.

We must walk by the Spirit and ask the Holy Spirit to help us with any anger or resentment we might have towards others.

We must not dwell on the negative, which only makes matters worse. We must seek reconciliation and be able to forgive.

Holding a grudge is basically holding hatred in your heart and God makes it clear, if you won’t forgive others, He won’t forgive you.

The person who stores h**e in their heart for someone is walking in darkness.

If you say you’re a Christian yet you h**e someone, Scripture says that you’re a liar.

Christian quotes about h**e

“Throughout life people will make you mad, disrespect you and treat you bad. Let God deal with the things they do, cause h**e in your heart will consume you too.” Will Smith

“When boiled down to its essence, unforgiveness is hatred.” John R. Rice

“Hating people is like burning down your own house to get rid of a rat.” Harry Emerson Fosdick

“You will never really love until you love someone who h**es you.” Jack Hyles

“I will tell you what to h**e. H**e hypocrisy; h**e cant; h**e intolerance, oppression, injustice, Pharisaism; h**e them as Christ h**ed them – with a deep, abiding, God-like hatred.” Frederick W. Robertson

“So there is such a thing as perfect hatred, just as there is such a thing as righteous anger. But it is a hatred for God’s enemies, not our own enemies. It is entirely free of all spite, rancor and vindictiveness, and is fired only by love for God’s honor and glory.” John Stott

“Too many Christians become bitter and angry in the conflict. If we descend into h**efulness, we have already lost the battle. We must cooperate with God in turning what was meant for evil into a greater good within us. This is why we bless those who would curse us: It is not only for their sakes but to preserve our own soul from its natural response toward hatred.” Francis Frangipane

What does the Bible say about h**e?

1. 1 John 4:19-20 We love because God first loved us. Whoever says, “I love God,” but h**es his brother is a liar. The one who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love the God whom he has not seen.

2. 1 John 2:8-11 Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth. He that saith he is in the light, and h**eth his brother, is in darkness even until now. He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him. But he that h**eth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.

3. 1 John 1:6 If we claim to have fellowship with him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the t***h.

H**e in your heart is equivalent to murder.

4. 1 John 3:14-15 If we love our Christian brothers and sisters, it proves that we have passed from death to life. But a person who has no love is still dead. Anyone who h**es another brother or sister is really a murderer at heart. And you know that murderers don’t have eternal life within them.

5. Leviticus 19:17-18 You must not h**e your brother in your heart. You must surely reprove your fellow citizen so that you do not incur sin on account of him. You must not take vengeance or bear a grudge against the children of your people, but you must love your neighbor as yourself. I am the LORD.

When hating is acceptable

6. Psalm 97:10 You who love the LORD, h**e evil! He protects the lives of his godly people and rescues them from the power of the wicked.

7. Romans 12:9 Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.

8. Proverbs 13:5 The righteous h**es falsehood, but the wicked brings shame and disgrace.

9. Proverbs 8:13 The fear of the Lord is hatred of evil. P***e and arrogance and the way of evil and perverted speech I h**e.

Love Instead of h**e

10. Proverbs 10:12 Hatred stirs up conflict, but love covers over all wrongs.

11. 1 Peter 4:8 And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins.

12. 1 John 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.

God is not only love, it is clear from Scripture that God H**es.

13. Malachi 1:2-3 “I loved you,” says the LORD. “But you ask, ‘How did you love us?’ “Wasn’t Esau Jacob’s brother?” declares the LORD. “I loved Jacob, but Esau I h**ed. I turned his mountains into a wasteland and left his inheritance to the jackals in the desert.

14. Proverbs 6:16-19 There are six things the Lord h**es— no, seven things he detests: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that k**l the innocent, a heart that plots evil, feet that race to do wrong, a false witness who pours out lies, a person who sows discord in a family.

15. Psalm 5:5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou h**est all workers of iniquity.

16. Psalm 11:5 The Lord trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul h**eth.

We must quickly forgive other before bitterness turns into hatred.

17. Matthew 5:23-24 So if you are presenting a sacrifice at the altar in the Temple and you suddenly remember that someone has something against you, leave your sacrifice there at the altar. Go and be reconciled to that person. Then come and offer your sacrifice to God.

18. Hebrews 12:15 Look after each other so that none of you fails to receive the grace of God. Watch out that no poisonous root of bitterness grows up to trouble you, corrupting many.

19. Ephesians 4:31 Get rid of all bitterness, rage and anger, brawling and slander, along with every form of malice.

The world h**es Christians.

20. Matthew 10:22 And all nations will h**e you because you are my followers. But everyone who endures to the end will be saved.

21. Matthew 24:9 “Then you will be arrested, persecuted, and k**led. You will be h**ed all over the world because you are my followers.

Reminders

22. Ecclesiastes 3:7-8 A time to tear and a time to mend. A time to be quiet and a time to speak. A time to love and a time to h**e. A time for war and a time for peace.

23. Proverbs 10:18 He that hideth hatred with lying lips, and he that uttereth a slander, is a fool.

24. Galatians 5:20-21 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, s******ns, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Examples of h**e in the Bible

25. Genesis 37:3-5 Jacob loved Joseph more than any of his other children because Joseph had been born to him in his old age. So one day Jacob had a special gift made for Joseph–a beautiful robe. But his brothers h**ed Joseph because their father loved him more than the rest of them. They couldn’t say a kind word to him. One night Joseph had a dream, and when he told his brothers about it, they h**ed him more than ever.

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Nov 19, 2023 22:55:02   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
Marty 2020 wrote:
Psalm 139:21-24 check it out and get back to me 🤷‍♂️


Just got back to you.

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Nov 19, 2023 23:47:40   #
Marty 2020 Loc: Banana Republic of Kalifornia
 
AuntiE wrote:
Just got back to you.


Good reply 👍

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Nov 19, 2023 23:53:05   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
Marty 2020 wrote:
Good reply 👍


It is my feeling it is not good for us to have h**e for a person. It is detrimental to our well being.

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Nov 20, 2023 07:48:44   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
AuntiE wrote:
No. You can intensely dislike someone; however, h**e is over the line.

Jesus told us to love our enemies.

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Nov 20, 2023 08:04:12   #
crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
 
JFlorio wrote:
Yes. It is a human emotion and generally a sin; However God forgives and we are commanded to h**e evil after all.


In that case, your answer should be no. I agree. There are several people on OPP that I find myself deteriorating into h**e because of their h**e and lack of reason but I have ti jolt myself out of it. When you descend to their hatred, they've won and it's important to realize that. As Drew Mariani says on Relevant radio, you should pray for them, as difficult as that might be.

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Nov 20, 2023 09:00:12   #
TexaCan Loc: Homeward Bound!
 
Marty 2020 wrote:
I have my opinion.
What’s yours?


In my opinion h**e and forgiveness goes hand in hand. How would the loved ones of those massacred in Israel not feel h**e for those responsible……..headless babies, babies found burned in ovens, women raped and butchered, entire families found tortured and murdered, and many being held as hostages. Faithful Christians are human! Who among us would not feel h**e for these inhuman acts? How is it possible to forgive them and replace the h**e with peace?………….The Bible has the answer!

We need to make an effort to understand God’s forgiveness of us if we are going to forgive others in a way that reflects God’s forgiveness. Sadly, in recent decades the word forgiveness has taken on a connotation of “psychological freedom” instead of freedom from sin, and this has brought some confusion about the whole concept of what it means to forgive.

It is true that the forgiveness God extends to us is conditional upon our confession of sin and repentance. Confession involves agreeing with God about our sin, and repentance requires a change of mind concerning the wrong attitude or action and a change in behavior that evinces a genuine willingness to forsake the sin. Sin remains unforgiven unless it is confessed and repented of (see 1 John 1:9; Acts 20:21). While this might seem a difficult condition for forgiveness, it is also a great blessing and promise. Confession of sin is not an act of self-condemnation but of seeking God’s provision of the remedy for sin in forgiveness through Christ.

God’s requirement that we confess and repent of sin does not mean God is unwilling or unready to forgive. He has done everything on His part to facilitate forgiveness for us. His heart is willing, not wanting anyone to perish (2 Peter 3:9), and He has gone to the most extreme lengths imaginable to provide the means by which He can forgive us. Because of Christ’s sacrifice on the cross, God freely offers us that forgiveness.

Scripture says to forgive others as we have been forgiven (Ephesians 4:32) and love one another as we are loved (John 13:34). We should be willing and ready to extend forgiveness to anyone who comes to us confessing his sin and repenting (Matthew 6:14–15; 18:23–35; Ephesians 4:31–32; Colossians 3:13). Not only is this an obligation, but it should be our delight. If we are truly thankful for our own forgiveness, we should have no hesitancy in granting forgiveness to a repentant offender, even if he wrongs us and repents again and again. After all, we, too, sin again and again, and we are thankful that God forgives us when we come to Him with a true repentant heart of confession.

That brings us to the question at hand: should we forgive a person who does not confess his sin and is not repentant? To answer this properly, the term forgiveness needs some explaining. First, what forgiveness is not:

Forgiveness is not the same as forbearance. To forbear is to patiently endure a provocation, overlook a slight, or maintain self-control in the face of frustration. Forbearance causes us to weigh someone’s sinful action or attitude with love, wisdom, and discernment and choose not to respond. Scripture uses various words for this quality: patience, longsuffering, endurance, and, of course, forbearance (see Proverbs 12:16; 19:11; 1 Peter 4:8).

Forgiveness is also not forgetting. God does not suffer from amnesia about our sin. He remembers very clearly; however, it is not a remembering to condemn us (Romans 8:1). King David’s adultery and Abraham’s lying—these sins are recorded for all time in Scripture. God obviously did not “forget” about them.

Forgiveness is not an elimination of all consequences. Even when we are forgiven by Christ, we may still suffer the natural consequences of our sin (Proverbs 6:27) or face the discipline of a loving Heavenly Father (Hebrews 12:5–6).

Forgiveness is not a feeling. It is a commitment to pardon the offender. Feelings may or may not accompany forgiveness. Feelings of bitterness against a person may fade with time without any forgiveness being extended.

Forgiveness is not the private, solitary act of an individual heart. In other words, forgiveness involves at least two people. This is where confession and repentance come in. Forgiveness is not only about what happens within the offended person’s heart; it is a t***saction between two people.

Forgiveness is not selfish; it is not motivated by self-interest. We do not seek to forgive for our own sakes or to relieve ourselves from stress. We forgive out of love of God, love of neighbors, and gratefulness for our own forgiveness.

Forgiveness is not the automatic restoration of trust. It is wrong to think that forgiving an abusive spouse today means the separation should end tomorrow. Scripture gives us many reasons to distrust those who have proved themselves untrustworthy (see Luke 16:10–12). Rebuilding trust can only begin after a process of reconciliation involving true forgiveness—which, of course, involves confession and repentance.

Also, importantly, forgiveness offered and available is not the same as forgiveness given, received, and t***sacted. This is where the word forgiveness on its own with no qualifier is often used differently from, and beyond, how God’s Word uses it. We tend to call the attitude of forgiveness—being willing to forgive—“forgiveness,” just the same as the actual t***saction of true forgiveness. That is, in popular thinking, as long as a person is open to granting forgiveness, he has already forgiven. But this broad definition of forgiveness short-circuits the process of confession and repentance. Forgiveness offered and forgiveness received are entirely different, and we don’t help ourselves by using a catch-all word for both.

If this is what forgiveness is not, then what is it? An excellent definition of forgiveness is found in the book Unpacking Forgiveness by Chris Brauns:

God’s forgiveness: A commitment by the one true God to pardon graciously those who repent and believe so that they are reconciled to him, although this commitment does not eliminate all consequences.

General human forgiveness: A commitment by the offended to pardon graciously the repentant from moral liability and to be reconciled to that person, although not all consequences are necessarily eliminated. (Crossway Books, 2008, p. 55).

Biblically, full forgiveness is not just something that the offended person offers; it requires that the offender receives it, bringing reconciliation to the relationship. First John 1:9 shows that the process of forgiveness is primarily to free the sinner; forgiveness ends the rejection, thus reconciling the relationship. This is why we must be willing to forgive others—if we aren’t willing to forgive, we refuse to allow others to enjoy what God has blessed us with. Modern pop psychology has wrongly taught that “forgiveness” is one-sided, that reconciliation is unnecessary, and that the purpose of this unilateral forgiveness is to free the offended person of feelings of bitterness.

While we must not harbor bitterness in our hearts (Hebrews 12:15) or repay evil for evil (1 Peter 3:9), we should make sure we follow God’s lead and not extend forgiveness to the unrepentant. In short, we should withhold forgiveness from those who do not confess and repent; at the same time, we should extend the offer of forgiveness and maintain an attitude of readiness to forgive.

Stephen, as he was being stoned to death, illustrates the principle of forgiveness. Echoing Jesus’ words from the cross, Stephen prays, “Lord, do not hold this sin against them” (Acts 7:60; cf. Luke 23:34). These words show a definite willingness to forgive, but they do not indicate a completed t***saction of forgiveness. Stephen simply prayed that God would forgive his murderers. Stephen held no bitterness, and, when and if his murderers repented, he wished them to be forgiven—what a wonderful example of loving our enemies and praying for those who persecute us (Matthew 5:44).

The Bible commands the counter-intuitive action of feeding our enemy when he is hungry (Romans 12:20). There is nothing to say we must automatically forgive our enemies (or trust them); rather, we are to love them and work for their good.

If “forgiveness” is given prematurely without the prerequisites of confession and repentance, then the t***h has not been dealt with openly by both parties. If the offender doesn’t acknowledge his sin, then he really does not understand what it means to be forgiven. In the long run, bypassing confession or repentance doesn’t help the offender to understand the significance of sin, and it precludes a sense of justice, causing the offended person to battle even more against bitterness.

https://www.gotquestions.org/withholding-forgiveness.html

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