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Nov 3, 2023 18:49:08   #
Big Kahuna
 
PeterS wrote:
Men who sexually identify as women and women who sexually identify as men have been around since the beginning of mankind. That you would pretend that that isn't so is where the delusion lies.


They were deluded since time memorial and still are deluded much like you currently are also.

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Nov 3, 2023 18:50:50   #
Big Kahuna
 
PeterS wrote:
Tyson is a harsh critic of ignorance and people who would rather be ignorant than know the t***h.

As for your personal beliefs, they are founded on logical fallacies which is why you rely on them anytime there is a debate. Whether it is political or theological you use fallacies to form your entire belief system. Don't sit there and flaunt your "studies" because there isn't a single legitimate study that uses fallacies or has a fallacy as a conclusion.

And yes, anyone can be delusional but when your entire worldview is derived through logical fallacies the only outcome can be delusion. For example, when Trump cried fraud long before the first v**e was even cast who stood there ready to believe him? You MAGA cons did. If that's not delusion then what is it? Even now as one after another of Trump's lackeys crumbles and admits that they and Trump lied you cons stand ready to believe each and every word that comes out of his mouth. That's delusion and it's purely the result of the lies (fallacies) that you and your fellow MAGA cons believe as t***h.

And shall we discuss religion or more specifically Intelligent Design vs Science? You're telling me you studied both and came with the belief that ID is correct? The very basis of ID is...gee, I can't think of any other explanation so it must be GAWD...or gee, it's so complex, what else could it be but GAWD!!! Both of which are different versions of "Argument from Ignorance". Science doesn't pretend to know every answer to every question only the promise to use reason to find the answer. What ID promises is to give Christians the answer you want...whether it's true or not!
Tyson is a harsh critic of ignorance and people wh... (show quote)


That whole post is delusional.

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Nov 3, 2023 19:09:12   #
WEBCO
 
PeterS wrote:
Tyson is a harsh critic of ignorance and people who would rather be ignorant than know the t***h.

As for your personal beliefs, they are founded on logical fallacies which is why you rely on them anytime there is a debate. Whether it is political or theological you use fallacies to form your entire belief system. Don't sit there and flaunt your "studies" because there isn't a single legitimate study that uses fallacies or has a fallacy as a conclusion.

And yes, anyone can be delusional but when your entire worldview is derived through logical fallacies the only outcome can be delusion. For example, when Trump cried fraud long before the first v**e was even cast who stood there ready to believe him? You MAGA cons did. If that's not delusion then what is it? Even now as one after another of Trump's lackeys crumbles and admits that they and Trump lied you cons stand ready to believe each and every word that comes out of his mouth. That's delusion and it's purely the result of the lies (fallacies) that you and your fellow MAGA cons believe as t***h.

And shall we discuss religion or more specifically Intelligent Design vs Science? You're telling me you studied both and came with the belief that ID is correct? The very basis of ID is...gee, I can't think of any other explanation so it must be GAWD...or gee, it's so complex, what else could it be but GAWD!!! Both of which are different versions of "Argument from Ignorance". Science doesn't pretend to know every answer to every question only the promise to use reason to find the answer. What ID promises is to give Christians the answer you want...whether it's true or not!
Tyson is a harsh critic of ignorance and people wh... (show quote)


Then you admit that "c*****e c****e" is a delusional belief.

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Nov 3, 2023 19:34:19   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
PeterS wrote:
Men who sexually identify as women and women who sexually identify as men have been around since the beginning of mankind. That you would pretend that that isn't so is where the delusion lies.
Not quite since the beginning of mankind, but around 4500BC it began in Sumeria and Mesopotamia with the rise of the pagan religions who celebrated just as the Gay P***e movement today and at the same time of year - the Biblical month of Tammuz, June, at the summer solstice.

Not only were the Sumerians and Mesopotamians into homosexuality, bestiality, t***svestism, gay prostitution, and other assorted perverse sexual and g****r corruptions, they were also into child sacrifice in praise of their mythical gods.

That paganism spread throughout the region and continents, it affected Rome and Greece, Europe and Scandinavia, and even the Hebrews a time or two. OT accounts mainly. The Golden Calf at Sinai, Ahab and jezebel, king Manasseh, bad news. God's prophets warned the Jews, but they wouldn't listen, and eventually Yahweh passed judgement on them. They didn't call Jeremiah "The Weeping Prophet" for no reason.

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Nov 3, 2023 19:51:17   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
PeterS wrote:
And shall we discuss religion or more specifically Intelligent Design vs Science? You're telling me you studied both and came with the belief that ID is correct? The very basis of ID is...gee, I can't think of any other explanation so it must be GAWD...or gee, it's so complex, what else could it be but GAWD!!!
I suggest you read and digest this scientific tour de force written by the brilliant physicist and philosopher of science, Dr. Stephen Meyer.

One caveat, if you don't have a basic education in physics, cosmology, biology, and the scientific methods,
this will be a tough read. Dr. Meyer did his best to make it accessible to the widest readership, but a grounding in the physical sciences is very beneficial.

If you refuse to read this, then don't accuse me of building my beliefs on logical fallacies and irrational thinking.

Return to the God Hypothesis: Three Scientific Discoveries That Reveal the Mind Behind the Universe
The New York Times bestselling author of Darwin’s Doubt, Stephen Meyer, presents groundbreaking scientific evidence of the existence of God, based on breakthroughs in physics, cosmology, and biology.

Beginning in the late 19th century, many intellectuals began to insist that scientific knowledge conflicts with traditional theistic belief—that science and belief in God are “at war.” Philosopher of science Stephen Meyer challenges this view by examining three scientific discoveries with decidedly theistic implications. Building on the case for the intelligent design of life that he developed in Signature in the Cell and Darwin’s Doubt, Meyer demonstrates how discoveries in cosmology and physics coupled with those in biology help to establish the identity of the designing intelligence behind life and the universe.

Meyer argues that theism—with its affirmation of a transcendent, intelligent and active creator—best explains the evidence we have concerning biological and cosmological origins. Previously Meyer refrained from attempting to answer questions about “who” might have designed life. Now he provides an evidence-based answer to perhaps the ultimate mystery of the universe. In so doing, he reveals a stunning conclusion: the data support not just the existence of an intelligent designer of some kind—but the existence of a personal God.


Some reviews:

"A marvelous compendium of indisputable scientific evidence in support of the existence of God."
Dr. Marcus Eberlin, professor of chemistry, MacKenzie University. Brazilian Academy of Sciences, Thomson Medalist.

"A state-of-the-art treatise on arguments and counterarguments about intelligent design. It performs a gigaton task of covering the origin of everything from molecular machinery to the entire universe. A much-needed book.
Dr. Stuart Burgess, professor of engineering design, Bristol University; research fellow, Clare Hall, University of Cambridge.

"With this book, Stephen Meyer earns a place in the pantheon of distinquished, non-reductive natural philosophers of the last 120 years, from the great French savant Pierre Duhem through A.N. Whitehead to Michael Polyani.
He has written a profound, judicious book of great value combining both advanced, detailed scientific expertise and philosophicsal, integrative wisdom."
Professor Michael D. Aeschliman, emeritus Boston University; author of The Restoration of Man.

"A meticulously researched, lavishly illustrated, and thoroughly argued case against the new atheism.
Even if your mind is made up--especially if it is--Meyer's refreshing take on humanity's most unbridgeable divide between secular and divine accounts of origins of the Universe, is a joy to read. You may not come come away convinced, but you'll be richer for the journey."
Dr. Brian Keating, Chancellor's Distinguished Professor of Physics, UC-San Diego, author of Losing the Nobel Prize.

"Meyer masterfully summarizes the current evidence from cosmology, physics, and biology showing that the more we learn about the universe and nature, the more relevant the God Hypothesis becomes."
Dr. Anthony Futerman, Joseph Meyerhoff Professor of Biochemistry, Weizmann Institute, Israel.

"Reviewing all relevant evidence from cosmology to molecular biology, Meyer builds and irrefutable 'case for God'
while delivering an unanswerable set of logical and scientific broadsides against the currently fashionable materialistic/atheistic worldview, Meyer builds his argument relentlessly, omitting no significant area of debate.
The logic throughout is compelling and the book almost impossible to put down. Meyer is a master at clarifying complex issues, making the text accessible to the widest possible audience. Readers will be struck by Meyer's extraordinary depth of knowledge in every relevant area. The book is a masterpiece and will be widely cited in years to come. The best, most lucid, comprehensive defense of the 'God Hypothesis' in print. No other publication comes close. A unique tour de force."
Michael Denton, MD, PhD, former senior research fellow, biochemistry, University of Otago; author of Nature's Destiny.

"This is a long overdue book that until now neither scientific experts nor religious believers had the courage to write. For those genuinely curious about the God Hypothesis, this book provides the fairest, most comprehensive statement available."
Dr. Steve Fuller, Auguste Comte Chair in Social Epistemology, University of Warwick: author of Knowledge: The Philosophical Quest in History.

"This is a truly superb analysis of the relevant evidence. Stephen Meyer convincingly demonstrates that the God hypothesis is not just an adequate explanation for the origin of our fine-tuned universe and biosphere, it is the best explanation."
Professor David Galloway, MD, DSc, FRCS, FRCP, College of Medical, Veterinary & Life Sciences, University of Glasgow; former president, Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of Glasgow.

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Nov 3, 2023 21:45:34   #
SeaLass Loc: Western Soviet Socialist Republics
 
PeterS wrote:
Men who sexually identify as women and women who sexually identify as men have been around since the beginning of mankind. That you would pretend that that isn't so is where the delusion lies.


Just because I self identify as "Total Master of the Seas" doesn't mean that the tide will stop coming in when I
commanded it to stop.

Your actually supporting NDT's point, a man can objectively be shown to be male and a woman can objectively be shown to be female. Any other conclusion is a delusion. In case your wondering; man/male = person with a Y c********e, woman/female = person without a Y c********e, since this seems to be a tough call for at least some on the left.

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Nov 3, 2023 21:51:26   #
Drue-Marie
 
Big Kahuna wrote:
They were deluded since time memorial and still are deluded much like you currently are also.


Time IMMEMORIAL

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Nov 4, 2023 07:55:07   #
Big Kahuna
 
Drue-Marie wrote:
Time IMMEMORIAL


Quit being immoral.

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Nov 4, 2023 12:44:27   #
1 hollywood.
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Tyson is a rather harsh critic of intelligent design, but his reasoning is flawed.
He's a cosmological materialist, but that's another story.

However, the statement that "If your personal beliefs deny what's objectively true about the world,
then they're more accurately called personal delusions"
applies equally to both a theistic worldview and a materialistic/secular one.

To be clear, my personal beliefs are founded upon seeking and observing what is objectively true about the world,
I haven't studied science and scripture most of my life without learning anything.
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Everyone needs to go online and read the Ascension Glossary. It tells the t***h of the creation of humanity, the archons, and the reptilians (Draco) who think they own this planet and us. Also get 2 books by Len Kasten: DARK FLEET and ALIEN WORLD ORDER

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Nov 4, 2023 14:06:02   #
Drue-Marie
 
Big Kahuna wrote:
Quit being immoral.


In what way am I being immoral?

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