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Oct 27, 2023 16:10:55   #
Rose42
 
straightUp wrote:
Well, like I said before objectivity will never look objective to those with emotional attachments to the situation.


Like I said before, you are not objective no matter how much you pretend to be. Your posts show you’re not

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I never claimed Maybe YOU didn't but that is the general sentiment among Z*****ts, especially Christian
Maybe YOU didn't but that is the general sentiment among Z*****ts, especially Christian Z*****ts.


Only among some. You over generalize.

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Oct 27, 2023 16:20:19   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
son of witless wrote:
Donald J. Trump knew how to deal with Iran. Biden and Obama only knew how to pay them money.

Can't speak for Biden... I suppose he's being tested now. But Obama, to the amazement of many, was able to get Iran to agree to keep their nuclear program limited to power-production only and to allow international monitors to keep an eye on things. No less amazing, he was also successful in getting the E.U., Russia and China to sign the deal. Trump, being the moron he is, f**ked it all up just so he can brag to his dips**t supporters about k*****g an Obama deal. He said he was going to replace it with a better deal, but Trump couldn't get the E.U., Russian and China to agree to anything. So he just slapped sanctions on the Iranian PEOPLE because it was the only thing he was capable of.

All that did is make matters worse as the people suffered from the consequence of Trump's sanctions. Not the government, the people. And as a result the Islamic Revolution got even MORE support.

These are the things Trump supporters typically lack the intelligence to realize. So sorry if you're one of them.

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Oct 27, 2023 16:26:05   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
padremike wrote:
Feather merchants like yourself will lose every war and count it virtuous to surrender yourself and your children to despots.

So far that hasn't happened.

padremike wrote:

Only a fool fights a proportional war.

Like we did in WW2?

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Oct 27, 2023 16:27:25   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Hydro wrote:
For those that don’t know - Fonda while visiting Vietnam was given pieces of paper with SSN’s on them to let their families know they were alive - supposedly she turned them over to the Viet Congress and Kerry received 4 Purple Hearts - everyone of which he wrote up and had them signed by his superior - his own men stated he was a coward when engaged by the enemy while patrolling the Mekong River - he hid in the bowels of the boat until the fight ended - he then when returning to the US went to the White House and threw his medals over the fence

By the way - both are Democrats
For those that don’t know - Fonda while visiting V... (show quote)

More lies from the biggest liars on Earth... Republicans.

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Oct 27, 2023 16:52:52   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
son of witless wrote:
Where do you get your simple facts from ?

I can't speak for pegw as to what her sources are but her numbers align with reports from the UN, the IDF and the Palestinian Health Ministry. None of these numbers are exact and neither the IDF nor the PHM are counting the casualties on the other side. But it's pretty obvious why casualties in Gaza, a tiny enclave with 2 million trapped people being attacked for days on end by airstrikes is far higher. You kind of have to be an i***t not to see that.

son of witless wrote:

Simple fact. Israel does not target innocents. Hamas does.

Well, that's certainly simple. It's just not true. Just to give you an example, between 2010 and 2019, Israeli settlers (not the IDF, but civilian settlers) have attacked innocent Palestinians 3,000 times k*****g 22 of them and injuring 1258 of them and that's just in the West Bank.

son of witless wrote:

Simple fact. Your simple facts are not facts.

It's a waste of time to argue over facts with people like you. It's doesn't matter if something is a fact, if it goes against your narrative you're going to say it isn't.

I'd have more respect if you could support your arguments with rational thinking instead of simply declaring this true and that false.

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Oct 27, 2023 18:44:33   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
straightUp wrote:
Like we did in WW2?


We won that war with superior devastating destruction and death. Good for us.

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Oct 28, 2023 12:49:47   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
padremike wrote:
We won that war with superior devastating destruction and death. Good for us.

Wow you got a thing for death and destruction don't you? We dropped atomic bombs on civilian populations, but you like that don't you? In any case, however way you think we won that war, it doesn't change the point I was making.

Intelligence and weapons system are far superior today compared to what they were during WW2. So you can't really compare the situations. Israel is slaughtering thousands of people who might not even have anything to do with Hamas and there just isn't any excuse given today's technology.

There can only be one of two possible explanations... The IDF just isn't that good or they just don't care. I think it's both.

Israel needs to be careful because outside the American-Israeli media bubble, the world is getting really pissed off at them and that sentiment is growing in the U.S. now too. I was playing a gig last night at a local biker bar where I still see a lot of Trump support and I heard this burly guy saying that if Moses drowned in the Nile, we wouldn't have all these problems today.

Israel is a two-bit country with about half the GDP of Saudi Arabia and it depends heavily on the U.S. for support, but their arrogance precludes their ability to understand this dependency. They need to stop being such i***tic prima donnas and come to terms with their own karma or they will loose their life-line, their unearned alliance with the U.S.

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Oct 28, 2023 13:05:55   #
Rose42
 
straightUp wrote:
More lies from the biggest liars on Earth... Republicans.


You yet again show you’re not objective.

And no I don’t support that party.

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Oct 28, 2023 13:11:11   #
Rose42
 
straightUp wrote:
Wow you got a thing for death and destruction don't you? We dropped atomic bombs on civilian populations, but you like that don't you? In any case, however way you think we won that war, it doesn't change the point I was making.

Intelligence and weapons system are far superior today compared to what they were during WW2. So you can't really compare the situations. Israel is slaughtering thousands of people who might not even have anything to do with Hamas and there just isn't any excuse given today's technology.

There can only be one of two possible explanations... The IDF just isn't that good or they just don't care. I think it's both.

Israel needs to be careful because outside the American-Israeli media bubble, the world is getting really pissed off at them and that sentiment is growing in the U.S. now too. I was playing a gig last night at a local biker bar where I still see a lot of Trump support and I heard this burly guy saying that if Moses drowned in the Nile, we wouldn't have all these problems today.

Israel is a two-bit country with about half the GDP of Saudi Arabia and it depends heavily on the U.S. for support, but their arrogance precludes their ability to understand this dependency. They need to stop being such i***tic prima donnas and come to terms with their own karma or they will loose their life-line, their unearned alliance with the U.S.
Wow you got a thing for death and destruction don'... (show quote)


More subjectivity and they understand their dependence on the US just fine. They aren’t stupid just because they don’t align with your opinions. Arrogant sure, but yours matches theirs.

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Oct 28, 2023 14:19:45   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Rose42 wrote:
You yet again show you’re not objective.

Once again you fail to see the objectivity. The U.S. Justice system is exposing the massive falsehoods of the e******n denial driven by the Republicans. There has never in our history been a more significant attack of coordinated lies on our system of democracy. Hence my description of Republican credibility on which Hydro was h*****g his hat.

Rose42 wrote:

And no I don’t support that party.

Well, that's good to hear.

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Oct 28, 2023 17:07:44   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
straightUp wrote:
Wow you got a thing for death and destruction don't you? We dropped atomic bombs on civilian populations, but you like that don't you? In any case, however way you think we won that war, it doesn't change the point I was making.

Intelligence and weapons system are far superior today compared to what they were during WW2. So you can't really compare the situations. Israel is slaughtering thousands of people who might not even have anything to do with Hamas and there just isn't any excuse given today's technology.

There can only be one of two possible explanations... The IDF just isn't that good or they just don't care. I think it's both.

Israel needs to be careful because outside the American-Israeli media bubble, the world is getting really pissed off at them and that sentiment is growing in the U.S. now too. I was playing a gig last night at a local biker bar where I still see a lot of Trump support and I heard this burly guy saying that if Moses drowned in the Nile, we wouldn't have all these problems today.

Israel is a two-bit country with about half the GDP of Saudi Arabia and it depends heavily on the U.S. for support, but their arrogance precludes their ability to understand this dependency. They need to stop being such i***tic prima donnas and come to terms with their own karma or they will loose their life-line, their unearned alliance with the U.S.
Wow you got a thing for death and destruction don'... (show quote)


What you are speaks far louder than what you say. What you are, by your own words, is some "dude" playing a gig in a biker bar where one of your kind of hero's declares that if Moses had drowned in the Nile there wouldn't be a problem today. You are so impressive in your ignorance. Do you wear your hair in braids and are you covered in tats too? I have this mental picture.

I do approve of our use of nuclear weapons to end WWII. You're so muddled you can't differentiate between "approve" & "like."

I would also approve of Israel immediately using tactical nuclear weapons against Iran. Specifically one in Tehran, especially when their government is in session so they can k**l the head of the snake, their h**e filled Mullah's, and other tactical nukes to use on Iran's nuclear development facilities. Tactical nukes are relatively smaller and less dangerous than strategic ones in case you are unaware. The alternative is to continue to kick the can down the road until Iran possesses a nuclear weapon and then the crazy h**e filled Mullah's will use them against Israel, maybe even us. People like you believe it's showing moral restraint to kick the can down the road until it is able to kicks us back. Meanwhile, how would the world react to Israel nuking Iran? Good question. Our enemies, Iran's close friends, would be angry. Angry enough to start WWIII over a piddling little country like Israel? I doubt it. I expect the Middle East would be happy to welcome the Persian people peacefully back into the fold. Hamas & Hezbollah would immediately lose their support and backing. It always remains better that our enemies die than our friends and allies. FYI- Israel is a friend, Iran is an enemy. Hezbollah is an enemy. Hamas and the majority of Palestineans supporting them are enemies. The thousands of foreign and domestic brainwashed protesters demonstrating in favor of Hamas tertorist here in America are enemies. Our colleges and high schools are intentionally producing enemies against our Republic - totally worthless garbage. I expect you'd be found in that same garbage dump. Did I forget the 1st Amendment with these spoiled ignorant brats? Not hardly. Their inciting violence against Jewish students is the same unprotected speech as yelling "fire" in a theater. Your sort of approved sickness now runs deep in our nation. It's a k**ler of a different sort, a nation k*****g cancer.

You began by stating I have a thing for death and destruction. I h**e it, I really do, yet I know, unquestionably, no mental reservations & no naiveté whatsoever, that evil of the magnitude we're fighting today has to be k**led whereas feather merchants believe they can wish and think it away.

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Oct 28, 2023 18:04:38   #
son of witless
 
straightUp wrote:
Can't speak for Biden... I suppose he's being tested now. But Obama, to the amazement of many, was able to get Iran to agree to keep their nuclear program limited to power-production only and to allow international monitors to keep an eye on things. No less amazing, he was also successful in getting the E.U., Russia and China to sign the deal. Trump, being the moron he is, f**ked it all up just so he can brag to his dips**t supporters about k*****g an Obama deal. He said he was going to replace it with a better deal, but Trump couldn't get the E.U., Russian and China to agree to anything. So he just slapped sanctions on the Iranian PEOPLE because it was the only thing he was capable of.

All that did is make matters worse as the people suffered from the consequence of Trump's sanctions. Not the government, the people. And as a result the Islamic Revolution got even MORE support.

These are the things Trump supporters typically lack the intelligence to realize. So sorry if you're one of them.
Can't speak for Biden... I suppose he's being test... (show quote)


" But Obama, to the amazement of many, "

Just who are these " many " ? I think they are the slow learners, the nincompoops. Iran is like China. Guess what ? They lie. Duhhhhh ! Any agreement is not worth the paper it is printed on. Then to give them cold hard cash and believe they will not use those Yankee dollars for terrorism, borders on Neville Chambelin idiocy.

President Donald J. Trump had it right. Expect them to lie, c***t, steal, and murder. That way they can never disappoint you.

" get Iran to agree to keep their nuclear program limited to power-production only and to allow international monitors to keep an eye on things. "

Did I ever tell you how much I H**E STUPID ? That is stupid on steroids. International monitors will only see what Iran wants them to see.They will not have free access to the entire country. You must think we who are right are as stupid as your boy Joe.

" No less amazing, he was also successful in getting the E.U., Russia and China to sign the deal. "

You are easily impressed with shiny pieces of paper. Russian and China are our enemies so them agreeing to this a******n is evidence that it sucks. The EU until the Russian invasion of Ukraine, has not covered itself in glory for dealing with evil. Their current generation of leaders weren't around for Hitler and Mussolini. They must have burned all of their history books about WW2.

" So he just slapped sanctions on the Iranian PEOPLE because it was the only thing he was capable of.

All that did is make matters worse as the people suffered from the consequence of Trump's sanctions. Not the government, the people. And as a result the Islamic Revolution got even MORE support. "

Trump's sanctions worked much better than Obama and Biden's appeasement payments of cash !!!!!!!!!!!!

" These are the things Trump supporters typically lack the intelligence to realize. So sorry if you're one of them. "

Even you are not stupid enough to believe that.

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Oct 28, 2023 21:14:27   #
Rose42
 
straightUp wrote:
Once again you fail to see the objectivity.


Right - because its just not there.

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The U.S. Justice system is exposing the massive falsehoods of the e******n denial driven by the Republicans. There has never in our history been a more significant attack of coordinated lies on our system of democracy. Hence my description of Republican credibility on which Hydro was h*****g his hat.


Your description was over the top regardless of them lying. Everyone lies.

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