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Oct 22, 2023 06:21:44   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Things getting tense...
https://www.eurasiantimes.com/israel-war-6-chinese-navy-warships-stationed-in-the-middle/?amp

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Oct 22, 2023 16:12:19   #
son of witless
 


The US warships are there to support Israel and counter Iran. Just who are the Chinese warships there to support and counter ?

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Oct 22, 2023 19:52:29   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
son of witless wrote:
The US warships are there to support Israel and counter Iran. Just who are the Chinese warships there to support and counter ?


Good question

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Oct 22, 2023 20:48:32   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Good question


They want publicity.

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Oct 22, 2023 21:00:24   #
American Vet
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
They want publicity.


The Chinese will use every opportunity to probe for weakness.

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Oct 22, 2023 21:07:38   #
son of witless
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Good question


China is a friend of Iran. The American warships have intercepted missiles from Yemen fired at Israel by m*****as loyal to Iran. Do the Chinese ships think they are going to scare the American ships away so their buddies can k**l more Israelis ?

The Chinese under the CCP have this massive inferiority complex towards Russia and America. They used to be obsessed with proving they were as good or better than Russia. Now they constantly work up their citizens, and try to prove they are just as good as America. They are obsessed with proving to their citizens that they can make computer chips as good as American designed chips and that Huawei phones are as good as the latest Apple phone. They are not as good.

It would not surprise me if they tried to show up the American Fleet show how so they can brag to their citizens that their Navy is better than the American Navy.

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Oct 22, 2023 22:17:47   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
They want publicity.


Very possible...
Sounds like something Xi would do..

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Oct 22, 2023 22:18:16   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
son of witless wrote:
China is a friend of Iran. The American warships have intercepted missiles from Yemen fired at Israel by m*****as loyal to Iran. Do the Chinese ships think they are going to scare the American ships away so their buddies can k**l more Israelis ?

The Chinese under the CCP have this massive inferiority complex towards Russia and America. They used to be obsessed with proving they were as good or better than Russia. Now they constantly work up their citizens, and try to prove they are just as good as America. They are obsessed with proving to their citizens that they can make computer chips as good as American designed chips and that Huawei phones are as good as the latest Apple phone. They are not as good.

It would not surprise me if they tried to show up the American Fleet show how so they can brag to their citizens that their Navy is better than the American Navy.
China is a friend of Iran. The American warships h... (show quote)


The chips are competitive

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Oct 23, 2023 06:24:36   #
Big dog
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
The chips are competitive


Imagine a high stakes poker game.
The Chinese don’t have a seat at the table, yet, but they’re watching every deal with the intent of taking a seat at any moment.

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Oct 23, 2023 09:27:34   #
son of witless
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
The chips are competitive


Not from home grown Chinese talent they ain't. What ever quality they produce was stolen. The Chinese under the CCP are the biggest thieves of technology in the history of theft. They would much rather spend a $ Billion to steal a chip than spend half of that to fully develop the same chip from scratch. It saves time.

The Taiwanese are the best manufacturers of top technology chips on planet earth. The mainland Chinese are offering their engineers outrageous money to defect. They likely will get some. The sad thing is that Western nations and companies are brain dead in securing their technology from the CCP. What the Chinese are brilliant at is finding creative ways around tech sanctions. Nobody does it better.

When China does develop it's own high end chips they tend to severely exaggerate how super good they are, so they can whip up their nationalists into a patriotic frenzy. When Huawei went head to head with Apple, pitting their Mate 60 against the I Phone 15 the resulting drama was nothing short of hilarious.

China threw massive subsidies at the problem of making their own main chip for the Mate 60. They had crazies chanting in the streets about how the Mate 60 would destroy the I Phone 15 roll out. People were bowing down at Huawei store fronts.

The sad thing was that within seconds of the I Phone 15 becoming available, it was sold out. Still a lot of patriotic Chines bought the Mate 60. Within days they were complaining about problems with over heating. It took a little while for outside experts to get their hands on the Mate 60 and test it. It is about two years behind the Apple phone in technology. Some of the secondary chips, the experts believe are Korean chips that had their markings rebranded. All to get around the American embargoes.

The Chinese operate on f**e it til you make it.

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Oct 23, 2023 19:21:43   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
son of witless wrote:
Not from home grown Chinese talent they ain't. What ever quality they produce was stolen. The Chinese under the CCP are the biggest thieves of technology in the history of theft. They would much rather spend a $ Billion to steal a chip than spend half of that to fully develop the same chip from scratch. It saves time.

The Taiwanese are the best manufacturers of top technology chips on planet earth. The mainland Chinese are offering their engineers outrageous money to defect. They likely will get some. The sad thing is that Western nations and companies are brain dead in securing their technology from the CCP. What the Chinese are brilliant at is finding creative ways around tech sanctions. Nobody does it better.

When China does develop it's own high end chips they tend to severely exaggerate how super good they are, so they can whip up their nationalists into a patriotic frenzy. When Huawei went head to head with Apple, pitting their Mate 60 against the I Phone 15 the resulting drama was nothing short of hilarious.

China threw massive subsidies at the problem of making their own main chip for the Mate 60. They had crazies chanting in the streets about how the Mate 60 would destroy the I Phone 15 roll out. People were bowing down at Huawei store fronts.

The sad thing was that within seconds of the I Phone 15 becoming available, it was sold out. Still a lot of patriotic Chines bought the Mate 60. Within days they were complaining about problems with over heating. It took a little while for outside experts to get their hands on the Mate 60 and test it. It is about two years behind the Apple phone in technology. Some of the secondary chips, the experts believe are Korean chips that had their markings rebranded. All to get around the American embargoes.

The Chinese operate on f**e it til you make it.
Not from home grown Chinese talent they ain't. Wha... (show quote)


Could you provide me with a source for this??
I'm doing a class next week on this topic...
Thanks...

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Oct 23, 2023 21:55:58   #
son of witless
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Could you provide me with a source for this??
I'm doing a class next week on this topic...
Thanks...




I think it is best that you continue to not believe a word I say.

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Oct 23, 2023 22:37:52   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
son of witless wrote:
I think it is best that you continue to not believe a word I say.


I would like to read the sources..
Perhaps incorporate some of it into my class..

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Oct 24, 2023 09:05:15   #
son of witless
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
I would like to read the sources..
Perhaps incorporate some of it into my class..


But you are behind a fire wall. A lot of the sources are on media that is blocked where you are, and I seriously do not think it would be a very good idea for you to think of bringing this stuff up in your class. That is why I continue to say " I think it is best that you continue to not believe a word I say. "

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Oct 24, 2023 09:42:24   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
son of witless wrote:
But you are behind a fire wall. A lot of the sources are on media that is blocked where you are, and I seriously do not think it would be a very good idea for you to think of bringing this stuff up in your class. That is why I continue to say " I think it is best that you continue to not believe a word I say. "


VPN bro...
And let's both agree that I'm a better judge of what should go before my students, k...

It might surprise you (because I'm still stunned) but FOX is allowed over here...

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