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Oct 7, 2023 00:17:02   #
Kevyn
 
If you ignore the “well regulated m*****a” part of the second amendment as the activist Supreme Court has should all arms be protected and allowed?

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Oct 7, 2023 00:46:27   #
Publius Twee
 
That isn't what the Supreme Court ruled. The Supreme Court ruled that the 2nd amendment grants two distinct inailable rights. The right to keep and bear arms and the right to form or join a m*****a. The Court also ruled that the government has the right to create laws on gun ownership and gun attainment as long as the law doesn't infringe on the right to keep and bear arms.

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Oct 7, 2023 01:05:38   #
Publius Twee
 
I forgot a very important comment. No one citizen or government entity has the right to ignore any portion of the Constitution. If you disagree with any portion of the Constitution you have the right to adress your grievance to the government or request an amendment to the Constitution. I wish you a lot of luck in your quest. Just one more thing. I am not a gun owner, I personally saw more guns in my 11 years in the U.S. Army to include a tour in Vietnam to last me a life time. Just remember one thing, There is no greater document in the world than the world than THE U.S. CONSTITUTION.

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Oct 7, 2023 02:27:21   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
Publius Twee wrote:
I forgot a very important comment. No one citizen or government entity has the right to ignore any portion of the Constitution. If you disagree with any portion of the Constitution you have the right to adress your grievance to the government or request an amendment to the Constitution. I wish you a lot of luck in your quest. Just one more thing. I am not a gun owner, I personally saw more guns in my 11 years in the U.S. Army to include a tour in Vietnam to last me a life time. Just remember one thing, There is no greater document in the world than the world than THE U.S. CONSTITUTION.
I forgot a very important comment. No one citizen... (show quote)



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Oct 7, 2023 03:06:02   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Kevyn wrote:
If you ignore the “well regulated m*****a” part of the second amendment as the activist Supreme Court has should all arms be protected and allowed?



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Oct 7, 2023 03:28:30   #
PeterS
 
Publius Twee wrote:
I forgot a very important comment. No one citizen or government entity has the right to ignore any portion of the Constitution. If you disagree with any portion of the Constitution you have the right to adress your grievance to the government or request an amendment to the Constitution. I wish you a lot of luck in your quest. Just one more thing. I am not a gun owner, I personally saw more guns in my 11 years in the U.S. Army to include a tour in Vietnam to last me a life time. Just remember one thing, There is no greater document in the world than the world than THE U.S. CONSTITUTION.
I forgot a very important comment. No one citizen... (show quote)

Well, it seems that both sides like to ignore anything that isn't convenient to the why they think. The Second Amendment says quite specifically..."a well-regulated m*****a" and in 1787 when the greatest document ever written was signed, a well-regulated m*****a drilled weekly and submitted to the civilian authority where they could be activated by the governor at the request of the President. In fact, George Washington did just that when he called up the m*****a of 4 states during the Whiskey R*******n. Now I bring this up because m*****a didn't activate themselves but responded equally to whichever governor or president called them up at the time.

So do you think the founders thought it would be a good idea to put weapons of a power they couldn't imagine in the hands in the hands of individuals whose only objective was to o*******w the government when one ideology is in charge or do you think if Biden called up the m*****a that the conservative yahoo's in them would come running to the defense of our nation?

It doesn't matter what words are written in a document, they can only be as great as the mentality of the people who act upon them. And right now we have a bunch of i***ts with weapons of a power that endangers this nation and I don't think that was the intent of the founders when they penned the world's greatest document.

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Oct 7, 2023 03:43:54   #
liberalhunter Loc: Your mom's house
 
Kevyn wrote:
If you ignore the “well regulated m*****a” part of the second amendment as the activist Supreme Court has should all arms be protected and allowed?




Don't know..... but I agree those 2 lesbian activist judges need to go,..... go to a Hillary sammich re-education camp run by Trump!!


Try and not be so gay today.

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Oct 7, 2023 05:28:04   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
PeterS wrote:
Well, it seems that both sides like to ignore anything that isn't convenient to the why they think. The Second Amendment says quite specifically..."a well-regulated m*****a" and in 1787 when the greatest document ever written was signed, a well-regulated m*****a drilled weekly and submitted to the civilian authority where they could be activated by the governor at the request of the President. In fact, George Washington did just that when he called up the m*****a of 4 states during the Whiskey R*******n. Now I bring this up because m*****a didn't activate themselves but responded equally to whichever governor or president called them up at the time.
Well, it seems that both sides like to ignore anyt... (show quote)
Nope, neither the POTUS nor a governor are authorized to call up the citizen m*****as.

PeterS wrote:
So do you think the founders thought it would be a good idea to put weapons of a power they couldn't imagine in the hands in the hands of individuals whose only objective was to o*******w the government when one ideology is in charge or do you think if Biden called up the m*****a that the conservative yahoo's in them would come running to the defense of our nation?
Biden can't call up the m*****as because they are citizen m*****as, not the National Guard.

Our inalienable right to bear arms is there just in case the "ideology in charge" is an anti-constitution foreign political philosophy, such as socialism, Marxism, f*****m, N**ism, or C*******m with the goal of a dictatorship.
It is just such forms of authoritarian government the citizens have the right to rebel against and o*******w.

PeterS wrote:
It doesn't matter what words are written in a document, they can only be as great as the mentality of the people who act upon them. And right now we have a bunch of i***ts with weapons of a power that endangers this nation and I don't think that was the intent of the founders when they penned the world's greatest document.
The real i***t with weapons of power who is endangering our nation is stumbling around in the White House with his fly unzipped and his brain in total melt down.

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Oct 7, 2023 05:47:33   #
ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island
 
Publius Twee wrote:
That isn't what the Supreme Court ruled. The Supreme Court ruled that the 2nd amendment grants two distinct inailable rights. The right to keep and bear arms and the right to form or join a m*****a. The Court also ruled that the government has the right to create laws on gun ownership and gun attainment as long as the law doesn't infringe on the right to keep and bear arms.


Thank you for clarifying these two points that Kevyn does not seem to understand.

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Oct 7, 2023 07:35:52   #
Liberty Tree
 
ACP45 wrote:
Thank you for clarifying these two points that Kevyn does not seem to understand.


Kevyn refuses to understand.

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Oct 7, 2023 08:09:27   #
Sew_What
 
Publius Twee wrote:
That isn't what the Supreme Court ruled. The Supreme Court ruled that the 2nd amendment grants two distinct inailable rights. The right to keep and bear arms and the right to form or join a m*****a. The Court also ruled that the government has the right to create laws on gun ownership and gun attainment as long as the law doesn't infringe on the right to keep and bear arms.


So the burden of "responsibility" has been shifted to the arms manufacturers:

The Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (PLCAA) is a United States law which protects firearms manufacturers and dealers from being held liable when crimes have been committed with their products. However, both manufacturers and dealers can still be held liable for damages resulting from defective products, breach of contract, criminal misconduct, and other actions for which they are directly responsible in much the same manner that any U.S.-based manufacturer of consumer products is held responsible. They may also be held liable for negligent entrustment when they have reason to know a gun is intended for use in a crime.

The PLCAA is codified at 15 U.S.C. §§ 7901-7903.

...so...this just means, that they give the burden to insurance companies....hence driving up the price of weapons...which, does nothing to protect anyone except the manufacturers. Just like if you "criminally" drive drunk and k**l someone with your car: vehicular manslaughter.

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Oct 7, 2023 08:36:36   #
American Vet
 
PeterS wrote:

Well, it seems that both sides like to ignore anything that isn't convenient to the why they think. The Second Amendment says quite specifically..."a well-regulated m*****a" and in 1787 when the greatest document ever written was signed, a well-regulated m*****a drilled weekly and submitted to the civilian authority where they could be activated by the governor at the request of the President. In fact, George Washington did just that when he called up the m*****a of 4 states during the Whiskey R*******n. Now I bring this up because m*****a didn't activate themselves but responded equally to whichever governor or president called them up at the time.
The phrase "well-regulated" was in common use long before 1789 and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected. Establishing government oversight of the people's arms was not only not the intent in using the phrase in the 2nd amendment, it was precisely to render the government powerless to do so that the founders wrote it.
https://constitution.org/1-Constitution/cons/wellregu.htm

So do you think the founders thought it would be a good idea to put weapons of a power they couldn't imagine
Exactly what weapons are you referring to? And how do you know the Founding Fathers couldn't imagine more advanced weapons?

in the hands in the hands of individuals whose only objective was to o*******w the government when one ideology is in charge or do you think if Biden called up the m*****a that the conservative yahoo's in them would come running to the defense of our nation?
inane blather

It doesn't matter what words are written in a document; they can only be as great as the mentality of the people who act upon them. And right now, we have a bunch of i***ts with weapons of a power that endangers this nation, and I don't think that was the intent of the founders when they penned the world's greatest document.
I agree - many people are concerned about the bunch of i***ts in the White House. They clearly present a threat and danger to freedom. And it was the intent of the Founding Fathers for the citizens to have the ability to protect themselves from a tyrannical government. "The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government"

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Oct 7, 2023 08:39:27   #
JR-57 Loc: South Carolina
 
Kevyn wrote:
If you ignore the “well regulated m*****a” part of the second amendment as the activist Supreme Court has should all arms be protected and allowed?

In the 18th century “well regulated” meant well-trained, well-organized, well-armed, well-disciplined. It didn't mean “regulation” by a regulatory state.

Your question has no practical relevance.

If you were going down a street in a canoe and your wings fell off; how many peaches could you put in a glass?

That question is as ludicrous and relevant as the question you ask.

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Oct 7, 2023 09:17:05   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Read the Federalist Papers. Then, you might have a clue, but I doubt it.

PeterS wrote:
Well, it seems that both sides like to ignore anything that isn't convenient to the why they think. The Second Amendment says quite specifically..."a well-regulated m*****a" and in 1787 when the greatest document ever written was signed, a well-regulated m*****a drilled weekly and submitted to the civilian authority where they could be activated by the governor at the request of the President. In fact, George Washington did just that when he called up the m*****a of 4 states during the Whiskey R*******n. Now I bring this up because m*****a didn't activate themselves but responded equally to whichever governor or president called them up at the time.

So do you think the founders thought it would be a good idea to put weapons of a power they couldn't imagine in the hands in the hands of individuals whose only objective was to o*******w the government when one ideology is in charge or do you think if Biden called up the m*****a that the conservative yahoo's in them would come running to the defense of our nation?

It doesn't matter what words are written in a document, they can only be as great as the mentality of the people who act upon them. And right now we have a bunch of i***ts with weapons of a power that endangers this nation and I don't think that was the intent of the founders when they penned the world's greatest document.
Well, it seems that both sides like to ignore anyt... (show quote)

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Oct 7, 2023 10:33:29   #
Jim0001 Loc: originally from Tennessee, now Virginia, USA
 
PeterS wrote:
Well, it seems that both sides like to ignore anything that isn't convenient to the why they think. The Second Amendment says quite specifically..."a well-regulated m*****a" and in 1787 when the greatest document ever written was signed, a well-regulated m*****a drilled weekly and submitted to the civilian authority where they could be activated by the governor at the request of the President. In fact, George Washington did just that when he called up the m*****a of 4 states during the Whiskey R*******n. Now I bring this up because m*****a didn't activate themselves but responded equally to whichever governor or president called them up at the time.

So do you think the founders thought it would be a good idea to put weapons of a power they couldn't imagine in the hands in the hands of individuals whose only objective was to o*******w the government when one ideology is in charge or do you think if Biden called up the m*****a that the conservative yahoo's in them would come running to the defense of our nation?

It doesn't matter what words are written in a document, they can only be as great as the mentality of the people who act upon them. And right now we have a bunch of i***ts with weapons of a power that endangers this nation and I don't think that was the intent of the founders when they penned the world's greatest document.
Well, it seems that both sides like to ignore anyt... (show quote)


You really don't have any idea what you are posting about, do you?

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