Presumption, can you see it?
Jul 29, 2023 12:24:15 #
Presumption or assumption…How wrong could it be?
The presumption of what’s happening or happened in any argument or discussion is digested by people at the moment of that particular debate “not later”, in other words, it’s up to the person debating to tell “the t***h” as he or she sees it without fear!
Instead of making an assumption that “people are smart and should know”..!? That’s normally the case from many conservatives arguing any liberal or Marxists sympathizers who live out of lying!
It’s not just at any particular time, it’s making the point at any time, everytime and anything because it’s the reality of what’s been happening for a long time!!
Everytime, anytime, anything and everything (actions) from liberal democrats are lies or propaganda on a daily basis and they’re swallowed by most people!
However, rarely any republican or conservative ever confronts or identifies those lies told on their faces!
All democrats attacked Mr. Trump on a daily basis since he won the presidency in 2016 starting with obvious lies about a non-existent collusion with Russia,
However, there was real evidence of collusion from Obama and Clinton completely ignored by the daily propaganda machine or f**e media!
But, there has always been the non-existence Republican with the guts (or vision) to confront and expose those fabrications from the lying democrats along with the f**e media!
In August of 2014 a white policeman k**led a black teenager, then what happened?
The liberal f**e media jumped to the story implying that it was a case of r****m and came with some false witnesses saying that the teenager was with both hands up and the white police officer assassinated the black teenager because he was black!!
All that story without any corroboration or investigation from a corrupted biased f**e media.
Mr. Barack Obama was the president at that time and without waiting for any corroboration or investigation he acted as a real r****t would do and called it an innocent kid murdered by a r****t white officer!
However, the teenager was not an innocent kid, as the media portrayed him, he was an 18 years old big young man (rather than a kid) of more than six feet and 200 pounds that had disregard for the law and other people’s property.
The police officer acted in self defense according to the real witnesses and videos showing what really happened.
The police officer responded to a call about someone stealing openly at a market, then he encountered the teenager who was walking in the middle of the street and refuse to go to the sidewalk, instead he attacked the officer and tried to pull the officer’s gun and was close to do it, but, the officer was able to keep it and pulled the trigger in self defense.
Because of the irresponsible actions from the media and the lack of leadership from president Obama during and after the t***h was known, r**ts started and continue.
Mr. Obama instead of acting with courage trying to unite the country telling the t***h, he said that he understood the actions from the black community!!
Implying that it was OK to act against the law!
To burn any innocent’s property!
To steal any innocent’s property!
To even k**l innocent people in the name of a false narrative that “b****s are k**led by white people only because they are b****s!!
And why do I come with this story now?
Because, that’s exactly what all democrats do or tell everyday without consequences on every false story or creation from them!!
All Democrats still keep on saying that an innocent teenager was murdered by a r****t white police officer in Fergurson in spite of being proved that it was a complete lie!
However, when that happens, no one who knows the t***h confronts those liars and “that’s what most people heard and absorbed!
And then, the perception from most people at that moment is that “it’s true”!
So, unfortunately the main reason is lack of guts (fear) from conservatives or anyone.
Democrats lie with impunity because nobody confronts them!
They’ve been allowed to lie for a long time and will continue doing it as they have the door open to do as they please and no one from the opposition has the guts to confront them!
People should realize that the ones (or most) that have the guts to tell the t***h against this corrupted socialist government are “democrats” or former members of the democratic party!
The 2020 e******n was full of irregularities (fraud) from democrats.
There were hundreds of witnesses, video evidence as well as arbitrary laws applied in order to allow fraud openly by democrats, and of course everything was ignored by the media!
There was later a documentary made where it shows videos of people committing fraud and scientifically analyzed to the least of probabilities it shows clearly that the e******n was s****n through fraud by Democrats!
However, anyone who talked about it was called a liar, a denier of the most honest e******n ever according to some democrats and a lot more!
Fox News prohibited their employees to talk about that video, and anyone who questioned anything about it would be called not only a denier, also a white supremasist or r****t and anti-democracy and more!
The 2020 e******n was s****n by democrats with fraud and there are plenty of evidence about it however,
Still, there isn’t any republican candidate or anyone (not even Tucker) who had the best program on television and was fired because he was the only one telling the t***h!
There isn’t anyone with guts to tell the t***h, that the 2020 e******n was s****n through fraud!!
Because telling the t***h is prohibited!
Only the lies from democrats are accepted as t***h!
Then, J****** 6 set-up and cover-up by democrats and the media!
Mr. Trump did absolutely nothing wrong, as it was shown in his speech, however Democrats tell everyday and anytime or all the time that he was promoting violence (something they’ve done and do so many times with no consequences) and that there was an i**********n and an attempt to o*******w the government!!
They are all incredibly blatant lies!
And why are people ignorant and so stupid to believe all of that?
Well, as I already said, many republicans anti-Trump or not, accepted those false narratives as usual out of fear to be criticize (to be call a denier, or a white supremasist or r****t and anti-democracy and more) including his running mate and vice president, Mr. Pence who should be ashamed of himself as he so easily identified himself as part of a corrupted establishment!
And why is that?
Please, think for yourself…
The F**e media made a good job selecting videos of violence and hiding many videos and evidence of “what really happened”, however anyone with an open mind can use his or her own brain (think by themselves) and look a little further to find the t***h.
There were videos showing C*****l p****e officers pulling and pushing innocent law abiding citizens to go and enter the Capitol building!!!
There were videos of people dressed in black hiding their faces with masks breaking windows and entering the Capitol obviously unlawfully…anyone and everyone should know they were A****a or B*M pretending to be Trump supporters!
Why hasn't been they investigated?
There are C*****l p****e witnesses who said that there were many FBI agents (also videos) promoting violence and pushing or directing innocent law-abiding citizens to go inside the Capitol pretending to be Trump supporters!!
Regardless of the more than two thousands videos (hidden) for more than two years by biased, f**e investigators who were covering up rather than finding non-existing wrongdoing by Trump, we don’t know how many have been destroyed!
Why has all of that been ignored by all the media?
Why did the Speaker of the House and at that time in charge of security of the Capitol by law, Nancy Pelosi denied extra security (10,000 National Guards) offered by Trump before the events of J****** 6?
Of course, there were some wrongdoing from some (very few) stupid Trump’s supporters on J****** 6 however,
It is obvious that everything done on J****** 6 was a SET UP and a COVER UP from the corrupted Democrats!
However, at this time…what’s happening?
Should I mention all the abuse of power from Democrats?
Now, the corrupted and biased Department of Justice wants to prosecute (or is) criminally charging Mr. Trump because of J****** 6 and (or) classified documents in his house (after he left the White House as president).
Bill Clinton lost the nuclear codes (to China) and “what Hillary Clinton did? Do I need to elaborate?!
However, Mr. Trump had the authority as President to declassify and or take for review and keep or return all or some of those documents, unlike Mr. Biden and Mr. Pence who took classified documents illegally as vice-presidents!
However, what do p**********l candidates and many other republicans or conservatives talk about?
They are saying or are being asked if they would, or will pardon Mr.Trump if they win the presidency..?
Instead of defending Trump 100 % and attacking those committing clearly abuse of power!
Mr. Trump hasn’t been convicted nor committed any crime!!
Unlikely the Clinton's, Biden's, Pence and others that probably should be investigated for treason including Mr. Obama!
US Representative Byron Donalds is a candidate running for president and he’s very popular and liked because he speaks well and the t***h in many cases when others don’t have the guts to say it…However, and just to put a sample of how easy republicans accept a false narrative from the liars democrats,
Recently Mr. Donalds was talking, representing all republicans after one of those hearings in the Congress about Biden's corruption and he mentioned that Biden has been investigated by the FBI or the DOJ for the last five years! And everyone present applauded as it was something good!
However, everyone should know that it doesn't take five years to uncover or expose all the corruption from the Bidens, so he should have said that the FBI has been pretending an investigation when it’s clear that they’ve been covering up for five years!!
The same is happening with the destruction happening in this country because of the open borders policies that all democrats denied!!
The extreme debacle of the foreign policies where investigation for treason is merited for the withdrawal or abandonment and betrayal in Afghanistan!
The reversal of policies toward Iran opened the door or path for them to regain a big force or the main supporter of terrorism and make it easier for them to get nuclear weapons.
And the promotion of war against Russia with many lies on the intelligence information that obviously made this country lose its credibility, Instead of trying to find a diplomatic solution.
This administration is taking this country and the world on a path to a nuclear war.
Perhaps we still have a chance to save this country in 2024!!
Héctor Bayate
The presumption of what’s happening or happened in any argument or discussion is digested by people at the moment of that particular debate “not later”, in other words, it’s up to the person debating to tell “the t***h” as he or she sees it without fear!
Instead of making an assumption that “people are smart and should know”..!? That’s normally the case from many conservatives arguing any liberal or Marxists sympathizers who live out of lying!
It’s not just at any particular time, it’s making the point at any time, everytime and anything because it’s the reality of what’s been happening for a long time!!
Everytime, anytime, anything and everything (actions) from liberal democrats are lies or propaganda on a daily basis and they’re swallowed by most people!
However, rarely any republican or conservative ever confronts or identifies those lies told on their faces!
All democrats attacked Mr. Trump on a daily basis since he won the presidency in 2016 starting with obvious lies about a non-existent collusion with Russia,
However, there was real evidence of collusion from Obama and Clinton completely ignored by the daily propaganda machine or f**e media!
But, there has always been the non-existence Republican with the guts (or vision) to confront and expose those fabrications from the lying democrats along with the f**e media!
In August of 2014 a white policeman k**led a black teenager, then what happened?
The liberal f**e media jumped to the story implying that it was a case of r****m and came with some false witnesses saying that the teenager was with both hands up and the white police officer assassinated the black teenager because he was black!!
All that story without any corroboration or investigation from a corrupted biased f**e media.
Mr. Barack Obama was the president at that time and without waiting for any corroboration or investigation he acted as a real r****t would do and called it an innocent kid murdered by a r****t white officer!
However, the teenager was not an innocent kid, as the media portrayed him, he was an 18 years old big young man (rather than a kid) of more than six feet and 200 pounds that had disregard for the law and other people’s property.
The police officer acted in self defense according to the real witnesses and videos showing what really happened.
The police officer responded to a call about someone stealing openly at a market, then he encountered the teenager who was walking in the middle of the street and refuse to go to the sidewalk, instead he attacked the officer and tried to pull the officer’s gun and was close to do it, but, the officer was able to keep it and pulled the trigger in self defense.
Because of the irresponsible actions from the media and the lack of leadership from president Obama during and after the t***h was known, r**ts started and continue.
Mr. Obama instead of acting with courage trying to unite the country telling the t***h, he said that he understood the actions from the black community!!
Implying that it was OK to act against the law!
To burn any innocent’s property!
To steal any innocent’s property!
To even k**l innocent people in the name of a false narrative that “b****s are k**led by white people only because they are b****s!!
And why do I come with this story now?
Because, that’s exactly what all democrats do or tell everyday without consequences on every false story or creation from them!!
All Democrats still keep on saying that an innocent teenager was murdered by a r****t white police officer in Fergurson in spite of being proved that it was a complete lie!
However, when that happens, no one who knows the t***h confronts those liars and “that’s what most people heard and absorbed!
And then, the perception from most people at that moment is that “it’s true”!
So, unfortunately the main reason is lack of guts (fear) from conservatives or anyone.
Democrats lie with impunity because nobody confronts them!
They’ve been allowed to lie for a long time and will continue doing it as they have the door open to do as they please and no one from the opposition has the guts to confront them!
People should realize that the ones (or most) that have the guts to tell the t***h against this corrupted socialist government are “democrats” or former members of the democratic party!
The 2020 e******n was full of irregularities (fraud) from democrats.
There were hundreds of witnesses, video evidence as well as arbitrary laws applied in order to allow fraud openly by democrats, and of course everything was ignored by the media!
There was later a documentary made where it shows videos of people committing fraud and scientifically analyzed to the least of probabilities it shows clearly that the e******n was s****n through fraud by Democrats!
However, anyone who talked about it was called a liar, a denier of the most honest e******n ever according to some democrats and a lot more!
Fox News prohibited their employees to talk about that video, and anyone who questioned anything about it would be called not only a denier, also a white supremasist or r****t and anti-democracy and more!
The 2020 e******n was s****n by democrats with fraud and there are plenty of evidence about it however,
Still, there isn’t any republican candidate or anyone (not even Tucker) who had the best program on television and was fired because he was the only one telling the t***h!
There isn’t anyone with guts to tell the t***h, that the 2020 e******n was s****n through fraud!!
Because telling the t***h is prohibited!
Only the lies from democrats are accepted as t***h!
Then, J****** 6 set-up and cover-up by democrats and the media!
Mr. Trump did absolutely nothing wrong, as it was shown in his speech, however Democrats tell everyday and anytime or all the time that he was promoting violence (something they’ve done and do so many times with no consequences) and that there was an i**********n and an attempt to o*******w the government!!
They are all incredibly blatant lies!
And why are people ignorant and so stupid to believe all of that?
Well, as I already said, many republicans anti-Trump or not, accepted those false narratives as usual out of fear to be criticize (to be call a denier, or a white supremasist or r****t and anti-democracy and more) including his running mate and vice president, Mr. Pence who should be ashamed of himself as he so easily identified himself as part of a corrupted establishment!
And why is that?
Please, think for yourself…
The F**e media made a good job selecting videos of violence and hiding many videos and evidence of “what really happened”, however anyone with an open mind can use his or her own brain (think by themselves) and look a little further to find the t***h.
There were videos showing C*****l p****e officers pulling and pushing innocent law abiding citizens to go and enter the Capitol building!!!
There were videos of people dressed in black hiding their faces with masks breaking windows and entering the Capitol obviously unlawfully…anyone and everyone should know they were A****a or B*M pretending to be Trump supporters!
Why hasn't been they investigated?
There are C*****l p****e witnesses who said that there were many FBI agents (also videos) promoting violence and pushing or directing innocent law-abiding citizens to go inside the Capitol pretending to be Trump supporters!!
Regardless of the more than two thousands videos (hidden) for more than two years by biased, f**e investigators who were covering up rather than finding non-existing wrongdoing by Trump, we don’t know how many have been destroyed!
Why has all of that been ignored by all the media?
Why did the Speaker of the House and at that time in charge of security of the Capitol by law, Nancy Pelosi denied extra security (10,000 National Guards) offered by Trump before the events of J****** 6?
Of course, there were some wrongdoing from some (very few) stupid Trump’s supporters on J****** 6 however,
It is obvious that everything done on J****** 6 was a SET UP and a COVER UP from the corrupted Democrats!
However, at this time…what’s happening?
Should I mention all the abuse of power from Democrats?
Now, the corrupted and biased Department of Justice wants to prosecute (or is) criminally charging Mr. Trump because of J****** 6 and (or) classified documents in his house (after he left the White House as president).
Bill Clinton lost the nuclear codes (to China) and “what Hillary Clinton did? Do I need to elaborate?!
However, Mr. Trump had the authority as President to declassify and or take for review and keep or return all or some of those documents, unlike Mr. Biden and Mr. Pence who took classified documents illegally as vice-presidents!
However, what do p**********l candidates and many other republicans or conservatives talk about?
They are saying or are being asked if they would, or will pardon Mr.Trump if they win the presidency..?
Instead of defending Trump 100 % and attacking those committing clearly abuse of power!
Mr. Trump hasn’t been convicted nor committed any crime!!
Unlikely the Clinton's, Biden's, Pence and others that probably should be investigated for treason including Mr. Obama!
US Representative Byron Donalds is a candidate running for president and he’s very popular and liked because he speaks well and the t***h in many cases when others don’t have the guts to say it…However, and just to put a sample of how easy republicans accept a false narrative from the liars democrats,
Recently Mr. Donalds was talking, representing all republicans after one of those hearings in the Congress about Biden's corruption and he mentioned that Biden has been investigated by the FBI or the DOJ for the last five years! And everyone present applauded as it was something good!
However, everyone should know that it doesn't take five years to uncover or expose all the corruption from the Bidens, so he should have said that the FBI has been pretending an investigation when it’s clear that they’ve been covering up for five years!!
The same is happening with the destruction happening in this country because of the open borders policies that all democrats denied!!
The extreme debacle of the foreign policies where investigation for treason is merited for the withdrawal or abandonment and betrayal in Afghanistan!
The reversal of policies toward Iran opened the door or path for them to regain a big force or the main supporter of terrorism and make it easier for them to get nuclear weapons.
And the promotion of war against Russia with many lies on the intelligence information that obviously made this country lose its credibility, Instead of trying to find a diplomatic solution.
This administration is taking this country and the world on a path to a nuclear war.
Perhaps we still have a chance to save this country in 2024!!
Héctor Bayate
Jul 29, 2023 12:36:02 #
Forkbassman
Loc: Missouri
elcobre wrote:
Presumption or assumption…How wrong could it be? b... (show quote)
Excellent, brilliant analysis! Been repeating what you’ve said many times, falls on deaf ears. Much of America is uninformed or do not care about anything but themselves. We have an ENTITLED society! People feel that because they are Americans the govt OWES THEM STUFF! Many only watch a little TV news & usually it is ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN of maybe MSNBC. Many do not have a CLUE what is happening to our country, which is slowly going socialistic. Right is wrong & wrong is right! Nexy year, I fear, will be the ugliest e******n in our history & it will decide the future of our Democratic Republic. May God still keep His hand on America!
Jul 29, 2023 13:03:57 #
Jul 29, 2023 13:55:27 #
LogicallyRight
Loc: Chicago
elcobre wrote:
Presumption or assumption…How wrong could it be? b... (show quote)
All very accurate and true. This forum is one of the few places where we can attack the false narratives from the left and the usual cast of l*****t miscreants, like rini, woody, permie, millie, peggy, afi/2, naughty bobbie, kemmie, Kevie, and many others who only occasionally post l*****t idiocy. They are ruining our country with their lies and we must stand up to them on all occasions, calling out their lies and exaggerations. We are a small part of real Americans fighting back against those that would destroy America for their brand of c*******m, n**ism, socialism, one world order dictatorships. And if they win, they will be shunted aside as no longer useful i***t puppets, and brainwashed fools.
We did just sit back and let them ruin America. We didn't see it coming with the biased liberal media controlling the narrative for so long, and l*****t, union teachers brainwashing our children, and maybe even some of us before we finally saw the light. And our democrat stooges in government slowly took away our rights, moderated and then removed privileges (for our own good), and tried to put America in shackles, as really came to a head in the manufactured p******c and their mandated controls and messaging and illegal shots that damaged all to many people instead of helping them.
And they are further destroying our country militarily with depleting our military resources in trying to defeat an enemy that we manufactured and in defense of a country that is of no interests to us. Then they also opened our borders to an extent that we are being inundated with illegal invaders, some very nasty people, sick people, evil people coming to do us harm and even those that are and would ens***e us. They weakened our military with the breaking down of personal cohesiveness of the military with forcing social experimental deviances within the ranks, lowering physical standards, and turning the military into a costly d*****t social experiment that strong stable intelligent men no longer want to join, to defend a country they can no longer be proud of.
I could go on and on with the dangers of the democrats and their lackeys. But right now, I'd rather go trim my toe nails. But I will continue in this small environment and a few others, because it is one thing I can do, freely, intellectually, to support the country and Republic that I love. One with the best Constitution ever written for a country, to give the people freedom and rights over the rulers. Now we have to fight to get it back. Legally if possible and within the b****t box supporting people on the Right, because they are more right then the Left will ever be. And keep your ammunition dry and fresh and your weapons clean and well oiled. Remember, when all else fails, we just might have to shoot the bastards and start over.
Logically Right
Jul 29, 2023 15:01:57 #
elcobre wrote:
It is obvious you have drunk the Republican kool aid. I forgot about Ferguson, sI went back and read up on it. Wikipedia has a pretty unbiased account on it. The thing I took away from Ferguson was that v****g is important. Minorities didn't v**e and they got a pretty poor government. The next e******n they were v**ed out.
There isn't a shread of hard evidence that T***p w*n. America's favorite criminal is getting pretty looney as he is claiming all sorts of v***r f***d that just doesn't exist.
As far as supporting Ukaraians. Putin is a dangerous man, and if the Ukaraians fail, NATO is next. That means American lives.
Jul 29, 2023 16:48:20 #
Strycker
Loc: The middle of somewhere else.
elcobre wrote:
Presumption or assumption…How wrong could it be? b... (show quote)
The only place where we disagree is that you claim the a large number of Republican leaders lack the guts to call out the lies and I contend that they lack the will and close their eyes because the get the same power and benefits from the lies that the Democrats do. The few that do call them out, like Trump, get attacked and cancelled or worse.Jul 29, 2023 16:55:32 #
pegw wrote:
What poison did you drink?It is obvious you have drunk the Republican kool a... (show quote)
Jul 30, 2023 13:36:21 #
LogicallyRight wrote:
All very accurate and true. This forum is one of t... (show quote)
I'll be right with you on that ending part, actually I've already started.
Jul 30, 2023 13:43:30 #
pegw wrote:
It is obvious you have drunk the Republican kool a... (show quote)
You believe Ferguson? Want to buy some swampland? The liberal 'bought' courts wouldn't allow evidence to be entered you mean, there was tons, but they sat on it. Who are Ukararians? If you mean Ukranians, Ukraine fell months ago. Putin 'can' be dangerous, but all should be expected in war. You are right about NATO being next. Any surprise that they can't get enlistees? Let the Pentagon go fight that war, they started it.
Jul 30, 2023 16:32:12 #
LogicallyRight
Loc: Chicago
pegw wrote:
It is obvious you have drunk the Republican kool a... (show quote)
***There isn't a shread of hard evidence that T***p w*n. America's favorite criminal is getting pretty looney as he is claiming all sorts of v***r f***d that just doesn't exist.
>>>The fraud was there and did exist. And will happen again in 2024. 2000 mules proved it amoung other things. Never investigated and covered up.
***As far as supporting Ukaraians. Putin is a dangerous man, and if the Ukaraians fail, NATO is next. That means American lives.
>>>It is spelled Ukrainians. Putin is no where near as dangerous as biden and his handlers. Putin never did have ambitions to take all of Ukraine or go after NATO. But stop NATO from adding Ukraine among other things. NATO and its American bosses is the evil in Ukraine and Europe.
Jul 30, 2023 17:25:41 #
Forkbassman wrote:
Excellent, brilliant analysis! Been repeating what... (show quote)
"Ditto" on the "Excellent, brilliant analysis"!!! 👍👍👍
Great post, Elcobre!!
And I agree with your concern, Forkbassman, for what may very well be a major turning point for our country if we let what happened in the 2020 (AND 2022) e******ns happen again. We need to get out and v**e - no matter WHAT they try to do to us...unless they k**l us off - which isn't far off from what they did to us in 2020 e******n with the C***d and follow-up v*****e h**xes!!!
Jul 30, 2023 18:06:06 #
bggamers
Loc: georgia
Forkbassman wrote:
Excellent, brilliant analysis! Been repeating what... (show quote)
If biden can start a war he can cancel the e******n due to a war or if he just hands us over to china
Aug 1, 2023 08:12:46 #
pegw wrote:
It is obvious you have drunk the Republican kool a... (show quote)
PigW, you do, or should, know that Wikipedia is not a real reliable source of information as anybody can update it, even you. You need to get your "blue" colored glasses fixed and seek mental Healthcare. You also need to broaden your intelligence by seeking other news sites so you can see and understand what's really happening in the world. For instance, Minorities do v**e, Putin is not the dictator you think he is and the Ukaraian leaders, not the people, are N**is. Putin invaded Ukraine to save the ethnic Russians in the Donbass region who were being murdered by the Ukrainian government since 2014 and to destroy the 20 or so Bio-weapon labs built by the CIA and the Pentagon. All Putin wanted was for the Bio-weapon labs to be gone and Zelenskyy to publicly state that Ukraine would never join NATO. The war could have been avoided. Also, world leaders are laughing at the USA for allowing an Alzheimer's patient to lead our country. Aren't you even a little bit curious who is running our country? It sure isn't FJB. You are nothing but a DNC bot.
Aug 1, 2023 08:33:38 #
bggamers wrote:
If biden can start a war he can cancel the e******n due to a war or if he just hands us over to china
China helped him get elected by printing pre-filled in b****ts and hacking the D******n V****g machines and he is in the process of handling us over to China by weakening our country. Depleting our oil reserves and sending ALL of our war supplies to Ukraine will allow China to invade Taiwan. The thousands of Chinese fighters that have illegally crossed our Southern border will start sabotaging our infrastructure and we will have a war on our soil. This is THE reason that FJB is pushing real hard for gun control. Gun Owners are our last defence.
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