Jesus is not the heir to the Davidic throne: In Matthew 1:11, for some reason King Jehoiakim is omitted. Josiah was the last righteous king of Judah. He begat Jehoiakim who in turn...

susanblange Loc: USA

In Matthew 1:11, for some reason King Jehoiakim is omitted. Josiah was the last righteous king of Judah. He begat Jehoiakim who in turn begat Jeconiah. These two kings were precluded from having a descendant of theirs reign on the throne of David because of their sin. Jeremiah 36:30. "Therefore thus saith the Lord of Jehoiakim king of Judah; He shall have none to sit on the throne of David..." Jeremiah 22:28-30. "Is this man Coniah a despised broken idol?...write ye this man childless, a man that will not prosper in his days: for no man of his seed shall prosper, sitting upon the throne of David, and ruling any more in Judah". Jesus is descended from these two kings, he cannot be the heir to the throne. This changes the number of generations in Matthew 1:17 from 14, 14, 14 to 14, 15, 14. Christians say Joseph was not Jesus' father. They say Mary was also a descendant of David. The problem is that the lineage of the kings is always traced through the male/man. A spirit does not impregnate. Parts of the soul/body impregnate.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

susanblange wrote:

In Matthew 1:11, for some reason King Jehoiakim is... (show quote)

Who was King Jehoiakim?

Jehoiakim (named Eliakim at birth, 2 Chronicles 36:4) was one of the last kings of Judah before the Babylonian Captivity. Jehoiakim was a son of good King Josiah (Jeremiah 26:1) of Judah. His mother’s name was Zebidah (2 Kings 23:36). Jehoiakim’s father, King Josiah, had returned Judah to the Lord by tearing down idol shrines and restoring obedience to God’s Law (2 Kings 23:19–25). After Josiah’s death, his son Jehoahaz was chosen king by the people. But, as often happened in those days, Jehoahaz did not follow in the footsteps of his father but “did evil in the sight of the Lord” (2 Kings 23:32). Jehoahaz only reigned three months before he was taken into captivity by the king of Egypt, who replaced Jehoahaz with his brother Eliakim (2 Kings 23:26; 2 Chronicles 36:5). The Egyptian king renamed the 25-year-old Eliakim “Jehoiakim.”

Jehoiakim also did evil in the Lord’s sight (2 Kings 23:37). Because of the ongoing, unrepentant sin of the nation of Judah, God sent invading armies to capture and ens***e them. Jehoiakim was taken captive by King Nebuchadnezzar, who put him in chains and carted him off to Babylon (2 Kings 24:1; 2 Chronicles 36:6;). It was at this time that Daniel and his three friends were also taken to Babylon (Daniel 1:1–2). Jehoiakim was later returned to Jerusalem, although he had to act as Nebuchadnezzar’s servant for three years and pay tribute to him.

During the time King Jehoiakim reigned as a vassal of Babylon, the prophet Jeremiah preached in Jerusalem. God’s message was that the Babylonian invasion was God’s punishment for Judah’s sin and that the Hebrews should repent. Jehoiakim called for Jeremiah’s scroll to be read in his court. But, as every three or four columns of the scroll were read, “the king cut them off with a scribe’s knife and threw them into the firepot, until the entire scroll was burned in the fire. The king and all his attendants who heard all these words showed no fear, nor did they tear their clothes” (Jeremiah 36:23–24). Rather than heed God’s warning, Jehoiakim hardened his heart and tried to destroy God’s Word (see Jeremiah 25:1–4). Earlier, Jehoiakim had murdered the godly prophet Uriah (Jeremiah 26:20–23).

Jehoiakim reigned eleven years (2 Kings 23:36; 2 Chronicles 36:5). Jeremiah rewrote the scroll that Jehoiakim had burned, and God pronounced judgment on the king: “Therefore this is what the LORD says about Jehoiakim king of Judah: He will have no one to sit on the throne of David; his body will be thrown out and exposed to the heat by day and the frost by night” (Jeremiah 36:30). “He will be buried like a dead donkey—d**gged out of Jerusalem and dumped outside the gates!” (Jeremiah 22:19, NLT). This prophecy was fulfilled when, in the eleventh year of Jehoiakim’s reign, he stopped paying tribute to Babylon. Nebuchadnezzar responded by besieging Jerusalem. According to Josephus, Jehoiakim was k**led during the siege, and his body was thrown over the city wall.

After Jehoiakim’s ignoble death, his son Jehoiachin succeeded him as the new king in Judah. Jehoiachin reigned only three months and ten days (2 Chronicles 36:9) before he, too, was taken to Babylon while the foreign king appointed his successor (2 Chronicles 36:10). This appointment of kings by the people or by invading armies was a far cry from the holy anointing of God’s chosen ones by His prophets in days gone by. The removal of God from Judah’s political process was another indication of just how far the Jewish people had fallen away from their God.

From King Jehoiakim’s life, we can learn that godly parentage does not necessarily guarantee godly children. Many times in Israel’s and Judah’s history, the Bible records that the children of good kings and prophets “did evil in the sight of the Lord” (2 Kings 21:1–2; 1 Samuel 8:3) and did not follow the paths of their fathers. God holds each individual responsible for his or her obedience to His direction (Deuteronomy 24:16). King Jehoiakim’s willful rejection of God’s Word and his subsequent fate are a perfect illustration of the folly of disobedience. “Whoever remains stiff-necked after many rebukes will suddenly be destroyed—without remedy” (Proverbs 29:1).

LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago

So, 1500 to 2000 years, give or take a few, between Adam and Jesus. I'm figuring 20 to 25 years old before the next one on the list is born. And yet, the history of man goes back further then that. Hmmm. Where is the answer to that. Let me reach into the clouds and see what I can pull out.

susanblange Loc: USA

LogicallyRight wrote:

So, 1500 to 2000 years, give or take a few, between Adam and Jesus. I'm figuring 20 to 25 years old before the next one on the list is born. And yet, the history of man goes back further then that. Hmmm. Where is the answer to that. Let me reach into the clouds and see what I can pull out.

Jesus lived and died about 2000 years ago. The living God of Israel is the first and the last. The Messiah will come in the end of days. Jesus was a new god. Job 19:25. "For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth". In the Bible, a generation is forty years.

Salvatore

WTF!

Salvatore

Again, WTF!

crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island

susanblange wrote:

In Matthew 1:11, for some reason King Jehoiakim is... (show quote)

I am not sure of the laws in Judea at the time of Jesus' birth but in many American jurisdictions, the husband of the mother, at birth, is legally the father.

Samael

You’re not a Jew unless your mother was Jewish there’s really no proof to who the father is without DNA testing which didn’t exist back. Then I would take any recorded lineage with a few grains of salt.

susanblange Loc: USA

crazylibertarian wrote:

I am not sure of the laws in Judea at the time of Jesus' birth but in many American jurisdictions, the husband of the mother, at birth, is legally the father.

The earliest word for God in the book of Genesis is Elohim and it's a majestic plural. Literally, it's Gods. God is a husband and wife. Isaiah 54:5-6. "For thy Maker is thine husband...For the Lord hath called thee as a woman forsaken and grieved in spirit and a wife of youth..." They are one flesh. Genesis 2:24. "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife; and they shall be one flesh". God is Energy, and the forces in nature. Daniel 11:38. "But in his estate shall he honor the God of forces..." The Lord is his wife.

susanblange Loc: USA

Samael wrote:

You’re not a Jew unless your mother was Jewish there’s really no proof to who the father is without DNA testing which didn’t exist back. Then I would take any recorded lineage with a few grains of salt.

It's interesting you mentioned salt. God established a salt covenant with Aaron and with David. Salt has two purposes. It's used as a seasoning and a preservative. The priests consumed the sacrifice, and it was salted. Leviticus 2:13, Numbers 18:19. God promised David he would always have a son on his throne. King Charles is fulfilling this. II Chronicles 13:5. "...the Lord God of Israel gave the kingdom over Israel to David forever, even to him and to his sons by a covenant of salt?"

Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio

LogicallyRight wrote:

So, 1500 to 2000 years, give or take a few, between Adam and Jesus. I'm figuring 20 to 25 years old before the next one on the list is born. And yet, the history of man goes back further then that. Hmmm. Where is the answer to that. Let me reach into the clouds and see what I can pull out.

Sometimes , you just shock the living crap out of me !!!!

Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio

crazylibertarian wrote:

I am not sure of the laws in Judea at the time of Jesus' birth but in many American jurisdictions, the husband of the mother, at birth, is legally the father.

Wasn’t this. Immaculate Conception?

Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio

susanblange wrote:

Jesus lived and died about 2000 years ago. The living God of Israel is the first and the last. The Messiah will come in the end of days. Jesus was a new god. Job 19:25. "For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth". In the Bible, a generation is forty years.

So , Jesus was never King of The Jews ?

Samael

susanblange wrote:

It's interesting you mentioned salt. God established a salt covenant with Aaron and with David. Salt has two purposes. It's used as a seasoning and a preservative. The priests consumed the sacrifice, and it was salted. Leviticus 2:13, Numbers 18:19. God promised David he would always have a son on his throne. King Charles is fulfilling this. II Chronicles 13:5. "...the Lord God of Israel gave the kingdom over Israel to David forever, even to him and to his sons by a covenant of salt?"

Again, there’s absolutely no proof of what you are writing here about Charles

Wonttakeitanymore

crazylibertarian wrote:

I am not sure of the laws in Judea at the time of Jesus' birth but in many American jurisdictions, the husband of the mother, at birth, is legally the father.

God was Jesus father!