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Jun 4, 2023 23:07:44   #
nonalien1 Loc: Mojave Desert
 
Byrd wrote:
If we are going to have a minimun wage, I think it should be set up by the states.Each state is different. It does not cost the same to live in all the states, so if you get $7.25 an hour in one state, you may be able to live on that. In another state like NY or Cal. you would probably need twice that amount at least.
Wages would probably be higher if there was no minimum wage and the employers had to compete for their help. If they could not get help at the same scale as others were paying, they might raise their rate to get more help.
Minimum wage stops all competition for higher wages as everyone pays the same.
I know that although the minimum wage is still $7.25, a lot of places are having trouble getting help and some have already raised the wage scale to double that and some have even offered bonuses to get help. Competition is what cause the wage or price scale to be different.
If we are going to have a minimun wage, I think it... (show quote)



What is mcDonalds paying in your area?
I still feel wages should be between employer and employee.

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Jun 5, 2023 07:49:35   #
Byrd
 
claudio1940 wrote:
... because we like low prices for groceries, and everything else.


Where do you find low prices for groceries and everything else? The farmers sell their produce for wh**ever the market price is regardless of what they pay their workers. They have no other option. Sell them or let them rot. It's not like something you can refuse to sell unless you get the price you want.
The high cost is usually because of the cost of fuel and other expenses the truckers have to pay to haul the produce. They have to have more money and the consumer ends up paying for it.
I was once an over-the -road trucker. When I started desiel was 60 cents a gal. It took about 500 gals to go from coast to coast. That was $300. Now with desiel at $4 a gal, the same trip costs the trucker about $2000 and the price of the truck and repairs have about doubled. They have to have more money to haul the produce, and guess who is going to pay for it.
The farmers using i******s do not lower the price of the produce. The farmer still gets the same price, no matter how much he pays for his help.

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Jun 5, 2023 09:27:34   #
LostAggie66 Loc: Corpus Christi, TX (Shire of Seawinds)
 
Byrd wrote:
I understand how you feel. I got out of the Air Force in 1955. Went to work for the Federal Aviation Agency. Was at the Knoxville, Tenn, airport for about 9 yrs, they t***sferred me to Oklahoma, moved back here in 1989. Went to work at the local Radio station, worked there 26 years, then started delivering meals to Seniors at the Senior Center. Had to quit about 2 years ago. Can't walk like i used to. I'm getting old, I guess. Never was out of a job long enough to draw unemployment, so don't know much about any freebees. Loved my jobs. I wish I could find something else I could do, may yet. Still looking.
I enjoyed our correspondants. Hope you are well and have a great life.
I understand how you feel. I got out of the Air Fo... (show quote)


Byrd have you thought about applying to be a substitute teacher? It's PT and your choice when and where to work. When I get moved back to TX I will be going back to it. After 2yrs of C***D Shutdown.

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Jun 5, 2023 10:40:37   #
Byrd
 
nonalien1 wrote:
What is mcDonalds paying in your area?
I still feel wages should be between employer and employee.


I think $13 an hour for full time help.I have a friend that works at McDonalds and I think he said he started at $13.

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Jun 5, 2023 10:44:12   #
Byrd
 
LostAggie66 wrote:
Byrd have you thought about applying to be a substitute teacher? It's PT and your choice when and where to work. When I get moved back to TX I will be going back to it. After 2yrs of C***D Shutdown.


I don't know what I would teach. No, I don't think I would be able to, much to my regret. I wish ther was something I could do but I can't walk very good anymore or stand for any length of time. Good luck.

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Jun 6, 2023 12:16:49   #
LostAggie66 Loc: Corpus Christi, TX (Shire of Seawinds)
 
Byrd wrote:
I don't know what I would teach. No, I don't think I would be able to, much to my regret. I wish ther was something I could do but I can't walk very good anymore or stand for any length of time. Good luck.


Understand . Good Luck and God Bless you and Yours also

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Jun 6, 2023 13:55:20   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
proud republican wrote:
Why not pay higher wagers to American farm workers so we don't need to use foreign farm workers???


They are all corporations now.
Corporations would rather pay zero for wages.
Money is their party now .
And it’s profit at any cost ,
Profit at all costs. !!

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Jun 6, 2023 13:57:40   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
Byrd wrote:
I think $13 an hour for full time help.I have a friend that works at McDonalds and I think he said he started at $13.


Still $9.00 short for equivalent wages of the 70s .

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Jun 6, 2023 14:12:16   #
Byrd
 
Around here that is a pretty good wage. Most places are still paying minimum wage. Most things are a little cheaper here than some of the bigger cities. That's one reason I don't think the Federal government should set a minimun wage for the whole country.

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Jun 6, 2023 14:39:57   #
FallenOak Loc: St George Utah
 
Byrd wrote:
I ran a ranch at one time for some people and they would not allow me to hire anybody but i******s. Why? Because they could hire 3-4 i******s for what it would cost for one local. They paid no taxes, so i kept no books. We didn't winter, It's all about the money. need them in the winter time, so they all went home in the winter and it didn't cost them anything for wages in the
The i******s do not do a better job than the locals, if as good,
We had cattle and sheep in the summer and they sold them in the winter. The money they got for the livestock was the same, regardless of who they hired in the summer so it didn't effect the price of the meat. They just made more profit because they paid a lot less for the help. We had about 10 people in the summer. We didn't hire the locals because we couldn't get them to work, We had locals come to the ranch pretty often looking for work, but we couldn't hire them..
It's not because they can't get locals to do the job, it's because of the money, no paper work, no taxes, nothing, Just give them their pay each week.
The i******s will take a lot of the jobs the American people need to care for their families, and the government will lose a lot of money becaue they don't pay taxes. If they did, the government would know where they were and they don't want that, the i******s or the people who hire them.
I ran a ranch at one time for some people and they... (show quote)


You prove my point that all taxes except sales tax need abolished. No one gets out of paying at tax on what they buy and even farm workers paid in cash have to buy food. 10% or 20% tax on food assures that i******s pay tax to the US Government.

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Jun 6, 2023 14:57:36   #
Byrd
 
You are right on the income taxes. The i******s do not pay income taxes and most of the ranches I know don't want them to because it means they would have to keep books and pay the taxes for them. This way, no books, no tax records and no minimum wages.That's one of the reasons they want to hire them instead of the locals.
The only problem with an increased food tax is, it will cause the people living on SS and just barely getting by from month to month will not have enough left to live on. They have worked all their lives, payed their taxes each year and now are trying to just get by and that's what most people on a fixed income are having to do.
I am afraid I cannot agree with you on the food tax, because I'm afraid it would hurt more Americans than the i******s. I think the only answer is deport the i******s, fine any employer that hires them and he will have to hire the locals. I don't think it will make the price of the food to go up because the farms and ranches have to take wh**ever the market price is when their food is ripe and ready for market.

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Jun 6, 2023 22:42:17   #
FallenOak Loc: St George Utah
 
Byrd wrote:
You are right on the income taxes. The i******s do not pay income taxes and most of the ranches I know don't want them to because it means they would have to keep books and pay the taxes for them. This way, no books, no tax records and no minimum wages.That's one of the reasons they want to hire them instead of the locals.
The only problem with an increased food tax is, it will cause the people living on SS and just barely getting by from month to month will not have enough left to live on. They have worked all their lives, payed their taxes each year and now are trying to just get by and that's what most people on a fixed income are having to do.
I am afraid I cannot agree with you on the food tax, because I'm afraid it would hurt more Americans than the i******s. I think the only answer is deport the i******s, fine any employer that hires them and he will have to hire the locals. I don't think it will make the price of the food to go up because the farms and ranches have to take wh**ever the market price is when their food is ripe and ready for market.
You are right on the income taxes. The i******s do... (show quote)



Some farmers have the option of not being coerced by workers. When Chavez was organizing the grape growers in California I know of one grower who refused to hire a group of labor that he didn’t know. He had used the same contractor for many years but Chavez Union caused him to not be able to hire the crew he wanted. He quit arguing with the union and said I will be growing cotton next year. He went home and tore out all his mature vineyard and planted cotton until he died. Grapes use labor to pick the grapes. Cotton uses machines to pick the cotton.

I do realize this was almost 60 years ago and the government is so entangled in our lives today that could not happen now.

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Jun 7, 2023 08:34:58   #
microphor Loc: Home is TN
 
LostAggie66 wrote:
I Seriously doubt it is 20million i******s regardless of where your info comes from. BTW it's also vegetables and These corp farms are not going to raise pay to any reasonable level. The GOP is against a Living Wage cuzzzz It's Socialism. (As they have said Incessantly). There have been migrants picking produce since the 60's and even earlier. But go ahead and ask a local non commercial farmer if they can afford to pay $10/hr or more to pick their crops My guess is they will say You Are Nuts.
I Seriously doubt it is 20million i******s regardl... (show quote)

Pickers are not paid by the hour, they are paid by weight. At least that's how it was when I picked garlic in Jr High School. And definitely some people kick butt at it.

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Jun 7, 2023 08:35:29   #
microphor Loc: Home is TN
 
JFlorio wrote:
Have no problem with migrants that are registered. Do the work, get paid, and go back to your home country until needed again.


Agree

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Jun 7, 2023 08:41:26   #
microphor Loc: Home is TN
 
Byrd wrote:
I ran a ranch at one time for some people and they would not allow me to hire anybody but i******s. Why? Because they could hire 3-4 i******s for what it would cost for one local. They paid no taxes, so i kept no books. We didn't winter, It's all about the money. need them in the winter time, so they all went home in the winter and it didn't cost them anything for wages in the
The i******s do not do a better job than the locals, if as good,
We had cattle and sheep in the summer and they sold them in the winter. The money they got for the livestock was the same, regardless of who they hired in the summer so it didn't effect the price of the meat. They just made more profit because they paid a lot less for the help. We had about 10 people in the summer. We didn't hire the locals because we couldn't get them to work, We had locals come to the ranch pretty often looking for work, but we couldn't hire them..
It's not because they can't get locals to do the job, it's because of the money, no paper work, no taxes, nothing, Just give them their pay each week.
The i******s will take a lot of the jobs the American people need to care for their families, and the government will lose a lot of money becaue they don't pay taxes. If they did, the government would know where they were and they don't want that, the i******s or the people who hire them.
I ran a ranch at one time for some people and they... (show quote)


The i******s don't have to take those jobs. We are putting them up in expensive hotels, paying churches in New York to take them in at the price of $125 a day, food stamps, medical services, dental services and a roof over your head. Why pick fruit?

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