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May 31, 2023 19:30:23   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
The US is a Republic. That is a fact. That does not, and never has meant it is “not a democracy.” The two words are not antonyms, they just refer to different things, different aspects of our structure, both of which describe what America is and how it’s organized.

This ridiculous idea that The US’s status as a republic somehow means it is NOT a democracy is rooted in the f*****t uber far-right rhetoric of the old John Birch Society and needs to die a fast death.

Is America a democracy or a republic? Yes, it is.

E******n denialism has become not only a thing but a movement. And if critics call this an attack on democracy, some e******n deniers respond by saying the U.S. is not a democracy, it is a republic.

https://www.npr.org/2022/09/10/1122089076/is-america-a-democracy-or-a-republic-yes-it-is

The US is a Constitutional Republic organized by that Constitution as a representative democracy.

That means it’s a constitutional democracy that uses representative democracy to get most things done, and sometimes engages in direct democracy (That’s what a b****t measure is.)

Democracy in the governments of countries today is representative, meaning that the people rule indirectly through their elected public officials.

https://www.annenbergclassroom.org/resource/understanding-democracy-hip-pocket-guide/democracy-representative-and-constitutional/

The problem with the rhetoric is that you most often hear it when people are pressing ideas that most Americans don’t support. It’s an answer for why they should still get their way even though more people want the opposite.

It’s a call for the tyranny of the minority.

When the founders talked about anything related to democracy in a negative way, they always clarified that they were talking about Athenian-style direct democracy. They weren’t saying everyone shouldn’t get a say, they were saying we can’t ask everyone about everything, we have to set up a structure.

The structure they set up was representative democracy. Everyone gets a say on who represents them in government and those representatives follow a democratic process to decide on what becomes law.

They never felt that “what most people want shouldn't happen.” Quite the opposite. What they felt was you can’t build a stable foundation on the shifting tides of public opinion. You need something more stable than that. And that’s what they built. A nation of laws where everyone gets a say by electing the people who write those laws.

America. The Republic. The Democracy.

Amazing how the side that loves to blab about how the other side “h**es America” so much understands her so imperfectly. Part of loving the old girl is getting to know her.

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May 31, 2023 19:36:34   #
okie don
 
Check out the Organic Act of 1871,shortly after the civil war .


CORPORATION?

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May 31, 2023 19:47:15   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
slatten49 wrote:
The US is a Republic. That is a fact. That does not, and never has meant it is “not a democracy.” The two words are not antonyms, they just refer to different things, different aspects of our structure, both of which describe what America is and how it’s organized.

This ridiculous idea that The US’s status as a republic somehow means it is NOT a democracy is rooted in the f*****t uber far-right rhetoric of the old John Birch Society and needs to die a fast death.

Is America a democracy or a republic? Yes, it is.

E******n denialism has become not only a thing but a movement. And if critics call this an attack on democracy, some e******n deniers respond by saying the U.S. is not a democracy, it is a republic.

https://www.npr.org/2022/09/10/1122089076/is-america-a-democracy-or-a-republic-yes-it-is

The US is a Constitutional Republic organized by that Constitution as a representative democracy.

That means it’s a constitutional democracy that uses representative democracy to get most things done, and sometimes engages in direct democracy (That’s what a b****t measure is.)

Democracy in the governments of countries today is representative, meaning that the people rule indirectly through their elected public officials.

https://www.annenbergclassroom.org/resource/understanding-democracy-hip-pocket-guide/democracy-representative-and-constitutional/

The problem with the rhetoric is that you most often hear it when people are pressing ideas that most Americans don’t support. It’s an answer for why they should still get their way even though more people want the opposite.

It’s a call for the tyranny of the minority.

When the founders talked about anything related to democracy in a negative way, they always clarified that they were talking about Athenian-style direct democracy. They weren’t saying everyone shouldn’t get a say, they were saying we can’t ask everyone about everything, we have to set up a structure.

The structure they set up was representative democracy. Everyone gets a say on who represents them in government and those representatives follow a democratic process to decide on what becomes law.

They never felt that “what most people want shouldn't happen.” Quite the opposite. What they felt was you can’t build a stable foundation on the shifting tides of public opinion. You need something more stable than that. And that’s what they built. A nation of laws where everyone gets a say by electing the people who write those laws.

America. The Republic. The Democracy.

Amazing how the side that loves to blab about how the other side “h**es America” so much understands her so imperfectly. Part of loving the old girl is getting to know her.
The US is a Republic. That is a fact. That does no... (show quote)


Good post .

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May 31, 2023 20:12:58   #
David L Loc: Central Wisconsin
 
slatten49 wrote:
The US is a Republic. That is a fact. That does not, and never has meant it is “not a democracy.” The two words are not antonyms, they just refer to different things, different aspects of our structure, both of which describe what America is and how it’s organized.

This ridiculous idea that The US’s status as a republic somehow means it is NOT a democracy is rooted in the f*****t uber far-right rhetoric of the old John Birch Society and needs to die a fast death.

Is America a democracy or a republic? Yes, it is.

E******n denialism has become not only a thing but a movement. And if critics call this an attack on democracy, some e******n deniers respond by saying the U.S. is not a democracy, it is a republic.

https://www.npr.org/2022/09/10/1122089076/is-america-a-democracy-or-a-republic-yes-it-is

The US is a Constitutional Republic organized by that Constitution as a representative democracy.

That means it’s a constitutional democracy that uses representative democracy to get most things done, and sometimes engages in direct democracy (That’s what a b****t measure is.)

Democracy in the governments of countries today is representative, meaning that the people rule indirectly through their elected public officials.

https://www.annenbergclassroom.org/resource/understanding-democracy-hip-pocket-guide/democracy-representative-and-constitutional/

The problem with the rhetoric is that you most often hear it when people are pressing ideas that most Americans don’t support. It’s an answer for why they should still get their way even though more people want the opposite.

It’s a call for the tyranny of the minority.

When the founders talked about anything related to democracy in a negative way, they always clarified that they were talking about Athenian-style direct democracy. They weren’t saying everyone shouldn’t get a say, they were saying we can’t ask everyone about everything, we have to set up a structure.

The structure they set up was representative democracy. Everyone gets a say on who represents them in government and those representatives follow a democratic process to decide on what becomes law.

They never felt that “what most people want shouldn't happen.” Quite the opposite. What they felt was you can’t build a stable foundation on the shifting tides of public opinion. You need something more stable than that. And that’s what they built. A nation of laws where everyone gets a say by electing the people who write those laws.

America. The Republic. The Democracy.

Amazing how the side that loves to blab about how the other side “h**es America” so much understands her so imperfectly. Part of loving the old girl is getting to know her.
The US is a Republic. That is a fact. That does no... (show quote)


Is the word "Democracy" in our Constitution?

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May 31, 2023 20:26:51   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
David L wrote:
Is the word "Democracy" in our Constitution?


It isn’t a total full democracy.
But I agree with slatten .
It’s both
A constitutional republic with
Democratic
Representation .
Soon to be a N**i F*****t Dictatorship run by Oligarchians !!!!
With oligarchian representation.

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Jun 1, 2023 05:17:40   #
nonalien1 Loc: Mojave Desert
 
Milosia2 wrote:
It isn’t a total full democracy.
But I agree with slatten .
It’s both
A constitutional republic with
Democratic
Representation .
Soon to be a N**i F*****t Dictatorship run by Oligarchians !!!!
With oligarchian representation.



Only if the Democrats stay in power

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Jun 1, 2023 07:17:26   #
GoldBone215
 
slatten49 wrote:
The US is a Republic. That is a fact. That does not, and never has meant it is “not a democracy.” The two words are not antonyms, they just refer to different things, different aspects of our structure, both of which describe what America is and how it’s organized.

This ridiculous idea that The US’s status as a republic somehow means it is NOT a democracy is rooted in the f*****t uber far-right rhetoric of the old John Birch Society and needs to die a fast death.

Is America a democracy or a republic? Yes, it is.

E******n denialism has become not only a thing but a movement. And if critics call this an attack on democracy, some e******n deniers respond by saying the U.S. is not a democracy, it is a republic.

https://www.npr.org/2022/09/10/1122089076/is-america-a-democracy-or-a-republic-yes-it-is

The US is a Constitutional Republic organized by that Constitution as a representative democracy.

That means it’s a constitutional democracy that uses representative democracy to get most things done, and sometimes engages in direct democracy (That’s what a b****t measure is.)

Democracy in the governments of countries today is representative, meaning that the people rule indirectly through their elected public officials.

https://www.annenbergclassroom.org/resource/understanding-democracy-hip-pocket-guide/democracy-representative-and-constitutional/

The problem with the rhetoric is that you most often hear it when people are pressing ideas that most Americans don’t support. It’s an answer for why they should still get their way even though more people want the opposite.

It’s a call for the tyranny of the minority.

When the founders talked about anything related to democracy in a negative way, they always clarified that they were talking about Athenian-style direct democracy. They weren’t saying everyone shouldn’t get a say, they were saying we can’t ask everyone about everything, we have to set up a structure.

The structure they set up was representative democracy. Everyone gets a say on who represents them in government and those representatives follow a democratic process to decide on what becomes law.

They never felt that “what most people want shouldn't happen.” Quite the opposite. What they felt was you can’t build a stable foundation on the shifting tides of public opinion. You need something more stable than that. And that’s what they built. A nation of laws where everyone gets a say by electing the people who write those laws.

America. The Republic. The Democracy.

Amazing how the side that loves to blab about how the other side “h**es America” so much understands her so imperfectly. Part of loving the old girl is getting to know her.
The US is a Republic. That is a fact. That does no... (show quote)


It’s a constitutional republic period end stop and yes the Crybaby Socialist Democrats h**e Americans and America just look at your pathetic pathological president and his wide open borders and his speech about how it’s not special to be an American. Try doing some real research. BTW Blowbama h**es America too 🤨🙄

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Jun 1, 2023 08:06:28   #
pescado rojo
 
Milosia2 wrote:
It isn’t a total full democracy.
But I agree with slatten .
It’s both
A constitutional republic with
Democratic
Representation .
Soon to be a N**i F*****t Dictatorship run by Oligarchians !!!!
With oligarchian representation.


As usual, you have no idea what you are talking about. I doubt you can define half the words in the salad you just posted.

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Jun 1, 2023 08:10:26   #
F.D.R.
 
slatten49 wrote:
The US is a Republic. That is a fact. That does not, and never has meant it is “not a democracy.” The two words are not antonyms, they just refer to different things, different aspects of our structure, both of which describe what America is and how it’s organized.

This ridiculous idea that The US’s status as a republic somehow means it is NOT a democracy is rooted in the f*****t uber far-right rhetoric of the old John Birch Society and needs to die a fast death.

Is America a democracy or a republic? Yes, it is.

E******n denialism has become not only a thing but a movement. And if critics call this an attack on democracy, some e******n deniers respond by saying the U.S. is not a democracy, it is a republic.

https://www.npr.org/2022/09/10/1122089076/is-america-a-democracy-or-a-republic-yes-it-is

The US is a Constitutional Republic organized by that Constitution as a representative democracy.

That means it’s a constitutional democracy that uses representative democracy to get most things done, and sometimes engages in direct democracy (That’s what a b****t measure is.)

Democracy in the governments of countries today is representative, meaning that the people rule indirectly through their elected public officials.

https://www.annenbergclassroom.org/resource/understanding-democracy-hip-pocket-guide/democracy-representative-and-constitutional/

The problem with the rhetoric is that you most often hear it when people are pressing ideas that most Americans don’t support. It’s an answer for why they should still get their way even though more people want the opposite.

It’s a call for the tyranny of the minority.

When the founders talked about anything related to democracy in a negative way, they always clarified that they were talking about Athenian-style direct democracy. They weren’t saying everyone shouldn’t get a say, they were saying we can’t ask everyone about everything, we have to set up a structure.

The structure they set up was representative democracy. Everyone gets a say on who represents them in government and those representatives follow a democratic process to decide on what becomes law.

They never felt that “what most people want shouldn't happen.” Quite the opposite. What they felt was you can’t build a stable foundation on the shifting tides of public opinion. You need something more stable than that. And that’s what they built. A nation of laws where everyone gets a say by electing the people who write those laws.

America. The Republic. The Democracy.

Amazing how the side that loves to blab about how the other side “h**es America” so much understands her so imperfectly. Part of loving the old girl is getting to know her.
The US is a Republic. That is a fact. That does no... (show quote)


So that 'tyranny of the minority' you mention, are you referring to the L**TXYZ folks, A****A et al who are trying to shove their will on the public at large.

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Jun 1, 2023 08:12:59   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
GoldBone215 wrote:
It’s a constitutional republic period end stop and yes the Crybaby Socialist Democrats h**e Americans and America just look at your pathetic pathological president and his wide open borders and his speech about how it’s not special to be an American. Try doing some real research. BTW Blowbama h**es America too 🤨🙄

You're close, Goldstone, in that the U.S. of America is more distinctly a democratic constitutional republic.

https://intellectualtakeout.org/2019/05/the-u-s-is-a-democratic-constitutional-republic-and-yes-it-matters/

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Jun 1, 2023 16:57:59   #
Sonny Magoo Loc: Where pot pie is boiled in a kettle
 
slatten49 wrote:
The US is a Republic. That is a fact. That does not, and never has meant it is “not a democracy.” The two words are not antonyms, they just refer to different things, different aspects of our structure, both of which describe what America is and how it’s organized.

This ridiculous idea that The US’s status as a republic somehow means it is NOT a democracy is rooted in the f*****t uber far-right rhetoric of the old John Birch Society and needs to die a fast death.

Is America a democracy or a republic? Yes, it is.

E******n denialism has become not only a thing but a movement. And if critics call this an attack on democracy, some e******n deniers respond by saying the U.S. is not a democracy, it is a republic.

https://www.npr.org/2022/09/10/1122089076/is-america-a-democracy-or-a-republic-yes-it-is

The US is a Constitutional Republic organized by that Constitution as a representative democracy.

That means it’s a constitutional democracy that uses representative democracy to get most things done, and sometimes engages in direct democracy (That’s what a b****t measure is.)

Democracy in the governments of countries today is representative, meaning that the people rule indirectly through their elected public officials.

https://www.annenbergclassroom.org/resource/understanding-democracy-hip-pocket-guide/democracy-representative-and-constitutional/

The problem with the rhetoric is that you most often hear it when people are pressing ideas that most Americans don’t support. It’s an answer for why they should still get their way even though more people want the opposite.

It’s a call for the tyranny of the minority.

When the founders talked about anything related to democracy in a negative way, they always clarified that they were talking about Athenian-style direct democracy. They weren’t saying everyone shouldn’t get a say, they were saying we can’t ask everyone about everything, we have to set up a structure.

The structure they set up was representative democracy. Everyone gets a say on who represents them in government and those representatives follow a democratic process to decide on what becomes law.

They never felt that “what most people want shouldn't happen.” Quite the opposite. What they felt was you can’t build a stable foundation on the shifting tides of public opinion. You need something more stable than that. And that’s what they built. A nation of laws where everyone gets a say by electing the people who write those laws.

America. The Republic. The Democracy.

Amazing how the side that loves to blab about how the other side “h**es America” so much understands her so imperfectly. Part of loving the old girl is getting to know her.
The US is a Republic. That is a fact. That does no... (show quote)


John Birch and his name sake organization are more concerned, correct, and courageous for America than your sorry visage will ever know.
I don't care what badge you CARRIED.

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Jun 1, 2023 17:03:50   #
SeaLass Loc: Western Soviet Socialist Republics
 
Milosia2 wrote:
It isn’t a total full democracy.
But I agree with slatten .
It’s both
A constitutional republic with
Democratic
Representation .
Soon to be a N**i F*****t Dictatorship run by Oligarchians !!!!
With oligarchian representation.


Isn't the latter format what you have been advocating for???

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Jun 1, 2023 17:18:34   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Sonny Magoo wrote:
John Birch and his name sake organization are more concerned, correct, and courageous for America than your sorry visage will ever know.
I don't care what badge you CARRIED.


Sonny. back in the 60s hitching in California, I got a ride with one of the big shots in the John Birch society.. he gave me the history of the group, the why and what they stood for and in about an hour and half I thought I was an expert on the group.. but over time they seem to of morphed a bit and faded.. they once were involved in much of the rights policy.. now I seldom see them mentioned.. He was in his upper 70 and spent all his time pushing the right wing. he very nearly recruited me, gave me a couple passes to events in the LA area and after about 10 years I have never been able to recall his name.. it was of interest to me at the time.. but now I dismiss all that POV..

BTW,,, John Birch was the name of the first American known to have been k**led by c*******ts in China.. he never had anything to do with the organization which took his name..

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Jun 1, 2023 17:22:26   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
Sonny Magoo wrote:
John Birch and his name sake organization are more concerned, correct, and courageous for America than your sorry visage will ever know.
I don't care what badge you CARRIED.


John Birch society is an organization detrimental to the United States and you are unfit for military service if you are a member . Bet you look for Ks and Us on the groceries you buy. and try to claim religious donations for the Rabbi stamp.

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Jun 1, 2023 19:38:10   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Sonny Magoo wrote:
John Birch and his name sake organization are more concerned, correct, and courageous for America than your sorry visage will ever know.
I don't care what badge you CARRIED.

Mr. Magoo, like your cartoon namesake, your visage has been and remains badly hampered.

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