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May 26, 2023 02:01:17   #
pescado rojo
 
JediKnight wrote:
I still recall being taught in what was then called Civics that a candidate for president had to be a person of "good character." Seems those days are long behind us.sad.


That's odd; you must have read a different Constitution than me. The one I have says the requirements for president are as follows:
https://www.usa.gov/requirements-for-p**********l-candidates

Are you and Woodglue on a collaborative mission to invent stuff that was never in the Constitution, hoping that the rest of us don't know any more about it than you?

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May 26, 2023 02:12:16   #
pescado rojo
 
Milosia2 wrote:
There is no i**********n on the books !
However , there is S*******s conspiracy.
Many have already been convicted of this .
The top 5 of the goatkeepers, Rhodes got 18 years and he wasn’t even there.
And the top four of the proud joys .
If you should take up arms against this country, you forfeit all of your rights that this country has provided for you .
You can’t complain the government you were trying to o*******w isn’t protecting you.
Why should it.
You should instead be hanged by the neck until dead .
And then thrown out into a ditch !
There is no i**********n on the books ! br However... (show quote)


Another legal scholar, I see. You are a liar when you say that there is no i**********n on the books.

18 USC 2383

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2383

10 USC Chapter 13

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/subtitle-A/part-I/chapter-13

While spouting your self-righteous bulls**t, you plumb forgot to check and see if what you claim is true.
Ooops! I forgot. You don't know how. You were so busy learning to be a virtue signaling SJW you never got around to learning research sk**ls.

Now that we have established your mendacity on this one point, let's move on to the next. You have repeatedly accused the J6 r****rs of "i**********n" while just admitting publicly that you believed (albeit mistakenly) there was no such law "on the books." So you were accusing these people of violating a law you say doesn't exist.
Most liars take a little more p***e in their product.
Prove one thing I said was wrong and I will apologize publicly.
Fair is fair. Prove you were not lying or "mistaken" or YOU can apologize publicly.

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May 26, 2023 02:26:33   #
nonalien1 Loc: Mojave Desert
 
Milosia2 wrote:
There is no i**********n on the books !
However , there is S*******s conspiracy.
Many have already been convicted of this .
The top 5 of the goatkeepers, Rhodes got 18 years and he wasn’t even there.
And the top four of the proud joys .
If you should take up arms against this country, you forfeit all of your rights that this country has provided for you .
You can’t complain the government you were trying to o*******w isn’t protecting you.
Why should it.
You should instead be hanged by the neck until dead .
And then thrown out into a ditch !
There is no i**********n on the books ! br However... (show quote)


Like all the terrorists that took over a city in Washington and declared it was a new country. Chaz I think they called it. Every single one of them that stayed after that announcement should have been hanged.yet few were even arrested.

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May 26, 2023 08:43:02   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
usmc7 wrote:
Most were not guilty by video, as Tucker showed, being taken down by Schumer and c****e/demorats because it showed it was arranged by Piglosi and FBLie. Two thirds of those locked up were NOT guilty of anything!! The demorats are the i**********n guilty party.


Tucker ?
Tucker only showed 4 minutes of the
4500 minutes of video available.
Mostly strolling in the park .
Instead of an armed i**********n.
That , and Tucker is a professed Liar .
Guilty as Fsux Nouse
Why were they at the Capital at that moment . Their guilt is obvious just for the timing.
They broke into a government building.
During a legal gathering to Certify
E*******l V**es .
What was their purpose ?
To say 2/3rds did nothing is incorrect.
They were there as a part of the force to o*******w an e******n.
Guilty .
Hang them All .
If we let them out of jail ,
They’ll only do it again .
Hang ‘Em !
And all connected . Especially those in congress today who are still working at having a c**p . Hang them too .
Jordan and McCarthy were involved.
Mrs Clarence Thomas was involved .
Too many to mention .
Hang them all !!!!
Then , we won’t have to listen to the whiney little b***hes !

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May 26, 2023 08:50:35   #
Justice101
 
Milosia2 wrote:
14th amendment, section 4


Article II, Section 1, Clause 5:

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

14th Amendment section 4 has to do with paying the national debt.

Section 4
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing i**********n or r*******n, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of i**********n or r*******n against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any s***e; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

Do you mean Section 3? You would still be wrong. It says NOTHING about the President or merely the indictment of the President to hold office if indicted of a crime.


Section 3
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or e*****r of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in i**********n or r*******n against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a v**e of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

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May 26, 2023 08:56:00   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
nonalien1 wrote:
Like all the terrorists that took over a city in Washington and declared it was a new country. Chaz I think they called it. Every single one of them that stayed after that announcement should have been hanged.yet few were even arrested.


Everything on this planet is not something else.
That happens only in the little world of the right,
Everything that is ……
Is !
It’s not something else.
Stop your N**i Paralell antics .
What is is .
Period.
If you don’t believe it , it’s your problem ,
Not everyone else’s .

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May 26, 2023 09:00:31   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
Justice101 wrote:
Article II, Section 1, Clause 5:

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

14th Amendment section 4 has to do with paying the national debt.

Section 4
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing i**********n or r*******n, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of i**********n or r*******n against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any s***e; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

Do you mean Section 3? You would still be wrong. It says NOTHING about the President or merely the indictment of the President to hold office if indicted of a crime.


Section 3
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or e*****r of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in i**********n or r*******n against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a v**e of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
Article II, Section 1, Clause 5: br br No Person ... (show quote)


You’re right ,
My mistake.
… [quote=Justice101]Article II, Section 1, Clause 5:

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

14th Amendment section 4 has to do with paying the national debt.

Section 4
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing i**********n or r*******n, shall not be questioned.
…Shall Not Be Questioned .
So one party is going by what’s written in the Constitution,
And one side is not .

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May 26, 2023 09:27:23   #
usmc7
 
Milosia2 wrote:
Tucker ?
Tucker only showed 4 minutes of the
4500 minutes of video available.
Mostly strolling in the park .
Instead of an armed i**********n.
That , and Tucker is a professed Liar .
Guilty as Fsux Nouse
Why were they at the Capital at that moment . Their guilt is obvious just for the timing.
They broke into a government building.
During a legal gathering to Certify
E*******l V**es .
What was their purpose ?
To say 2/3rds did nothing is incorrect.
They were there as a part of the force to o*******w an e******n.
Guilty .
Hang them All .
If we let them out of jail ,
They’ll only do it again .
Hang ‘Em !
And all connected . Especially those in congress today who are still working at having a c**p . Hang them too .
Jordan and McCarthy were involved.
Mrs Clarence Thomas was involved .
Too many to mention .
Hang them all !!!!
Then , we won’t have to listen to the whiney little b***hes !
Tucker ? br Tucker only showed 4 minutes of the br... (show quote)


I guess you liked all the peaceful r**ts in 2020 where 4 were murdered, buildings burned etc. You demorats love k*****g of America don't ya. I think those M/F should be hanged, demorats are c****es, don't reply I understand you h**e the USA and want it to fall, I have only one cure for i***t c****es! death to you all!

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May 26, 2023 09:27:46   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
Byrd wrote:
ed
Convicted of what? You can be indicted for anything, whether it happened or not.
The court decided in Trumps favor and made the stripper pay him $700,000 reimburshment for his expenses, because she lied.
Now Carroll lied about the rape charge but the crooked judge said he was still guilty of assault when there was no evidence, that it happened. 30 years ago, in a department store, with probably a lot of people, no cries for help, no police report filed,., don't even remember what year, wrote a book, put it in the book, thought it would help the sale. Trump is appealing and I hope he wins, if he has an honest judge, he will, because there is no evidence it ever happened. Needs to sue her and the judge for a few million
What convicted felon are you talking about? Biden has not been tried yet. You will have to wait on that.
ed br Convicted of what? You can be indicted for a... (show quote)


He never showed up in court to defend his innocence.
If you don’t care enough to defend your own innocence , that’s only your problem , nobody else’s .

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May 26, 2023 09:46:10   #
Justice101
 
Milosia2 wrote:
He never showed up in court to defend his innocence.
If you don’t care enough to defend your own innocence , that’s only your problem , nobody else’s .


Trump gave a deposition ahead of the trial btw, and will appeal the charges of assault and defamation from the crazy woman Ms. Carroll who wrote libelous lies in her 2019 book regarding Trump that she was getting attention for in accusing him of a rape 30 years ago. So, evidently the l*****t Manhattan Grand Jury didn't believe her story of rape and gave him a sexual abuse charge instead of a rape due to a temporary civil law that eliminated the statute of limitations for certain sex crimes for victims to have civil trials that she helped initiate in New York known as the ASA.
Money award is always the object in civil trials for the plaintiff.

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May 26, 2023 10:02:55   #
Byrd
 
Milosia2 wrote:
He never showed up in court to defend his innocence.
If you don’t care enough to defend your own innocence , that’s only your problem , nobody else’s .


He was in Scotland when they had the court. Why didn't they wait until he was back in the states to hold the court? Maybe because they didn't want him to defend himself.
What she claimed happened was 30 years ago, He probably does not even remember where he was when she claimed it happened. She doesn't even know what year it was so he could not have any defense against that she claimed happened when she doesn't ever have a date when it happened.
They decided she lied about the rape. But the judge said he should pay her $5 million for assault. If she lied about the rape, why do they think he is guilty of assault.
This is what you call justice? A woman who iied about a rape she claimed happened 30 years ago, when she did not yell for help, didn't file a police report, Put it in a book she was trying to sell and now brought it up because she thought he would pay her a lot of money to keep her quiet because he was running for president?
And you call that justice. He should not even had to defend himself, if it was an honest judge, he would have thrown it out of court to start with, because she had no proof that ir ever happened. Just her say so and and the jury decided she lied about the rape, so she probably lied about the whole thing.

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May 26, 2023 12:12:35   #
nonalien1 Loc: Mojave Desert
 
Milosia2 wrote:
Everything on this planet is not something else.
That happens only in the little world of the right,
Everything that is ……
Is !
It’s not something else.
Stop your N**i Paralell antics .
What is is .
Period.
If you don’t believe it , it’s your problem ,
Not everyone else’s .


So you're willing to hang protesters for their actions on J6 but refuse to acknowledge what happened in the summer of 2020.OK. What is is . But you're opinion of it doesn't make it true. What is true is Hillary and Obama tried to unseat a legally elected president of the United states. Using lies and weaponizing several departments of our government. This is known fact and could be considered treasonous. What should we do with these reprobates? Or do you approve of these actions because it was directed at Trump? You may be the one with a problem of believing .

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May 26, 2023 19:41:45   #
JediKnight
 
Milosia2 wrote:
Sad ?
Twice impeached , being followed everywhere now by the feds.
He is no longer a free man .
Nor a very happy man .
Whose anger continually blooms.
How much can any human being take ?
The only people who want trump back in office
Are Putin and the Russians.
They know he will hand over the entire country to his Father in Law ..
Vladimir Putin.


While I wholeheartedly agree with what you said above I am still not over the fact that many "Americans" (republican turncoats) went to great lengths to shield and protect Trump through all of his shenanigans. No doubt either he has something on them they can't afford to have known, or they are simply just like him. Either way is pathetic.

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May 26, 2023 20:25:36   #
federally indicted mattoid
 
woodguru wrote:
The interesting part is when he gets convicted, he already was indicted so how can he serve as president until the indictment has been taken care of with a trial?

The constitution says he can't serve as president if he's under indictment, but what about conviction?

I guess the founding fathers never thought we'd be trying to elect a convicted felon huh?


Yes, it was probably an oversight. They're probably rolling in their graves now that the US has had a huckster for 1 term.

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May 26, 2023 20:29:36   #
federally indicted mattoid
 
Milosia2 wrote:
Nope.
The presumption of innocence applies to the courtroom. Within the courtroom you are innocent until proven guilty .
The presumption of innocence does not apply to public opinion.
Once charged , you become the accused .


This explains it better;

Presumption of innocence doesn’t mean a suspect is innocent, leading Sydney barrister warns
This article is more than 1 year old
Bret Walker SC, who represented George Pell and Christian Porter, cautions against ‘magical thinking’
Paul Karp
@Paul_Karp
Tue 15 Jun 2021 22.50 EDT
The high-profile barrister Bret Walker SC has warned that the presumption of innocence doctrine should not be misunderstood to mean that a person is in fact innocent.

Walker told the Rule of Law Education Centre’s Presumption of Guilt conference on Tuesday it would be “terrible” if the presumption of innocence meant everyone was compelled to regard an accused person as innocent until they were convicted.

The barrister said the concept meant instead that the prosecution had “to prove beyond reasonable doubt the guilt of the accused”. He labelled the view that a person was necessarily innocent until they were convicted as a form of “magical thinking”.

Walker is an eminent senior counsel and former independent national security legislation monitor who successfully represented George Pell in his appeal to the high court. He also represented the former attorney general Christian Porter in his defamation case against the ABC, which was discontinued by agreement.

In February the ABC reported that an unnamed cabinet minister had been accused in a dossier sent to Scott Morrison of a sexual assault in 1988 when he was 17 and the alleged victim was 16. Porter then identified himself as the minister, and strenuously denied the allegation.

Quietly and confidently, George Pell's barrister tried to unravel the prosecution's case
David Marr
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In March the prime minister declared that Porter was an “innocent man under our law” because he had never been charged with or convicted of sexual assault.

Police had begun an investigation but concluded there was “insufficient admissible evidence” to continue after the complainant withdrew from the process, then took her life.

On Tuesday Walker said that “unfortunately both politically and socially in everyday language people – many of them lawyers … speak of the presumption of innocence as if it means somehow, that at the time of speaking – that is before an accused has been convicted – the person actually is innocent or, if you like … that the person is not guilty”.

“If that simply means he or she hasn’t yet had pronounced a verdict of guilty and thereafter a conviction entered – so much is true but trivial.”

Walker said when prosecutors signed indictments they were declaring they believed there was enough evidence to allege the commission of an offence, notwithstanding the accused’s presumption of innocence.

But Walker said it would be a “terrible thing if we thought that everybody was thereby compelled to regard them as innocent”.

“The prosecutor mustn’t – that would be appalling. I hope the police who investigate and put the brief together … don’t think so either, that would be appalling.

“In short, the presumption of innocence involves an open mind about the outcome of a trial but not the magical thinking that says until a person is convicted they were innocent, they should never have been tried.

“Guilt of a crime … is only ever of conduct which was criminal at the time it was committed – and you’ve been guilty, as a matter of English law, since you’ve committed the offence.”

Walker said “presumption of innocence” should be “banished from discourse concerning people who are the objects of criminal process”.

“They are presumed innocent, it doesn’t mean they are innocent.”

In May the Rule of Law Education Centre incorrectly billed Porter as a speaker at the conference, which promises to “examine recent challenges to this doctrine [the presumption of innocence] and the threat this poses to the Australian concept of a ‘fair go’”.

A spokesman for Porter told Guardian Australia that he “hadn’t actually accepted” an invitation and organisers had “got ahead of themselves”.

In the event description organisers claim the “presumption of guilt” is a “dangerous new doctrine on the rise … in an era where public policy is frequently influenced by the latest frenzy on social media”.

The centre said the presumption of innocence should be a bulwark “not just against over-mighty governments, but against those who would side-step the normal law and impugn people who have done nothing wrong”.

It promised the conference would “examine the consequences of allowing this doctrine to be eroded by confining it to the formal processes of criminal justice”.

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