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There Are No Debt-Based Solutions to the Debt Problem
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May 25, 2023 17:03:32   #
SeaLass Loc: Western Soviet Socialist Republics
 
woodguru wrote:
The real debt limit is about the budget every year, it goes up under republicans, and down under democrats.


The debt limit goes up, regardless of who is in office, can you show one case were it was actually lowered by anybody?

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May 25, 2023 17:07:13   #
woodguru
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
They never will accept spending is the problem.


Actually of course they will, spending needs to be done and revenues need to be generated not cut, which is apparently the basic economics fundamental republicans don't get, that debt cannot be solved by cutting taxes. The run a never ending twilight zone of cut taxes and then cut "entitlement" spending.

How about when a party increases the deficit with unnecessary tax cuts, they say oops, our bad we better put taxes back where they were?

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May 25, 2023 17:09:36   #
SeaLass Loc: Western Soviet Socialist Republics
 
Byrd wrote:
I don't understand. You don't want to cut wasteful spending, you want to raise everybody's taxes and let the Politicians keep on with their wasteful spending?
Is that what you think is a solution? When they reach the debt limit again and they will if the wasteful spending is not stopped, just raise everybodys taxes again, and again, and again. That's one reason taxes are so high right now, that's what they have been doing for years now.
Has it fixed the problem? No, it has only made it worse.
I don't understand. You don't want to cut wasteful... (show quote)


Now now woody doesn't want to raise taxes on everybody, just the rich republicans and corporations. The poor and working class (like him) are taxed to death already!

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May 25, 2023 17:31:31   #
American Vet
 
woodguru wrote:
Actually of course they will, spending needs to be done and revenues need to be generated not cut, which is apparently the basic economics fundamental republicans don't get, that debt cannot be solved by cutting taxes. The run a never ending twilight zone of cut taxes and then cut "entitlement" spending.

How about when a party increases the deficit with unnecessary tax cuts, they say oops, our bad we better put taxes back where they were?


Cutting taxes increases revenue - what part of that do you fail to understand?

And the vigorously attack wasteful spending such as "T*********r museum" and the bogus "Green New Deal".

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May 25, 2023 21:55:17   #
Byrd
 
woodguru wrote:
Actually of course they will, spending needs to be done and revenues need to be generated not cut, which is apparently the basic economics fundamental republicans don't get, that debt cannot be solved by cutting taxes. The run a never ending twilight zone of cut taxes and then cut "entitlement" spending.

How about when a party increases the deficit with unnecessary tax cuts, they say oops, our bad we better put taxes back where they were?

Are you saying that the billions Biden gave to Ukraine and run the debt up Billions more dollars was the right thing to do? Are you saying that borrowing money that the taxpayers are responsibile to repay and giving it to some foreign country with absolutely no benefit to the American people is OK? Are you saying all the money wasted by these politicians that does not help the people is fine with you? Are you saying that we should give more of our money by raising our taxes so they will have more money to waste is OK?
Wake up, for God's sake, We are being taxed to death now. Biden's open border policy is costing the taxpayer Billions and what are we getting out of it, nothing, just a higher debt. The interest this year is $475 billion and is predicted to double next year and in 10 years will be over a trillion dollars a year. Why, because they have not quit wasting out taxdollars just increased it. How much will our taxes have to be increased to just cover the interest? What if we can't pay the interest? Will anybody loan us any more money. I don't think so.

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May 26, 2023 22:39:35   #
Bassman65
 
Parky60 wrote:
President Joe Biden met with House Speaker Kevin McCarthy on Monday to hold high-stakes talks on the still-unresolved debt ceiling standoff.

Both sides agree that the government will need to take on more debt in order to pay its bills. Republicans are trying to leverage some concessions on discretionary spending. But even if they were to get everything they want, the budget won’t come close to balancing.

Wh**ever agreement is ultimately reached to raise the government’s borrowing limit, the debt problem itself won’t be solved. It will only get bigger.

At root, the debt problem is a monetary phenomenon. The currency in which debts are owed is itself a debt instrument.

U.S. Federal Reserve notes are backed by nothing but faith and credit. Since they do not represent anything tangible, such as a particular quantity of gold or silver, they can be issued in unlimited quantities.

In theory, the amount of debt the government can take on is unlimited since the debt doesn’t represent anything real. It only represents an obligation to generate a quantity of currency in the future. New currency can always be generated by borrowing more of it into existence and, if necessary, tapping the lender of last resort – the Federal Reserve.

Even as the financial media and the U.S. Treasury Secretary herself play up the threat of a potential debt default and the economic calamities it would bring, the reality is that the federal government has already defaulted. It defaulted decades ago – on August 15, 1971 to be exact – when President Richard Nixon declared the United States would no longer redeem dollars held by foreign governments for gold.

Since then, the national debt has exploded from a mere $400 billion to $32 trillion. In the process, the dollar has defaulted on its purchasing power by 87%. It takes $7.50 today to buy what $1.00 could buy in 1971.

By contrast, an ounce of gold retains much the same purchasing power today as it did 50 years ago, even centuries ago, despite nominal fluctuations in price (dramatically to the upside overall).

Unlike debt-based fiat currency, gold isn’t an IOU. It doesn’t have an issuer and cannot be issued in wh**ever quantity is convenient for debtors. It is honest money.

Reintroducing honesty to the nation’s monetary system is the only real solution to the debt problem.
President Joe Biden met with House Speaker Kevin M... (show quote)

Agreed

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