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A Response to Right-Wing Propaganda about Marxism and the American Left.
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Mar 19, 2023 17:49:44   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
EmilyD wrote:
You don't need to get so triggered. I merely asked you if you read them. You did not. Thus the strange response you gave. Since this topic you created is about Marx, it seems that quotes he made would be an interesting additive to the conversation.

Interesting that you couldn't find the ONE minute it would have taken you to read them....

Such a busy, busy bee you are... 😐


You're dealing with perfection. Don't you get that?

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Mar 19, 2023 17:54:40   #
EmilyD
 
archie bunker wrote:
You're dealing with perfection. Don't you get that?

Ahhhh. I see.

Did I interrupt the "professor's" lecture? How DARE I????? 😮

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Mar 19, 2023 17:56:23   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Blade_Runner wrote:

Black L***s M****r’s financial controversies has the organization back in the news, and has renewed interest in Marxism in general, particularly its attacks on the family. And with good reason. Not only are the B*M Global Network Foundation—the mothership of B*M—and Marx at war with the most essential institution in society, so are most Marxists in between.

Karl Marx said as much In the C*******t Manifesto of 1848, in which he called for the abolition of the family. The family was already absent among the proletariat, Marx and his co-author Friedrich Engels wrote, and among the bourgeoisie, the family was a mere “money relation.”
br b Black L***s M****r’s /b financial controve... (show quote)

You just said "The family was already absent among the proletariat." But you fail to ask why. You also fail to notice that Marx actually explained why when he said "this state of things [the bourgeois family] finds its compliment in the practical absence of the family among the proletarians and in public prostitution." In other words, the working-class family was destroyed by the oligarchy. That is exactly what he is saying using our modern terms.

Blade_Runner wrote:

Most importantly, Marx said that c*******m would ensure that children would be educated by the state and not by their parents. C*******ts, he wrote in the Manifesto, would “rescue education from the influence of the ruling class.” The making of the “New Man” was the priority, and the family was an obstacle.

Yes, the "New Man" in this case, being the the working man who can afford to get HIS family back and the family that is "in the way" is the oligarchy that would prefer the working man dedicate his time to production, rather than family.

If we go back to 1848 when Marx and Engels were writing this stuff, it wouldn't be hard to find s***es in the American south who's family members are sold to separate estates thereby denying them the right to even have a family. In this case the family in the way is the one living in the mansion. Not because they're rich but because they leverage their wealth to participate in the family-crushing s***e trade.

Further north, the families of Irish immigrants were barely able to spend any time together as a family because every family member, including children were forced to work in coal mines and factories for 16 hour days, sometimes longer.

This is what the c*******ts in Europe wanted to change... In America, the progressive movement DID make that change, which is why we now have 40 hour work weeks and child labor laws and... families. Eventually, the Europeans followed our lead. If not for the progressives, we may have fallen to a c*******t revolution ourselves.

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Mar 19, 2023 18:44:55   #
Justice101
 
straightUp wrote:
Anyone can make memes, big boy...


Karl Marx, the man who you admire was a filthy drunk and an abominable adulterer who had an affair with his maid, got her pregnant and made her give the baby away to a home that didn't care for him. He persuaded Engels to claim the child as his own so not to degrade his "reputation" with his wife, (who was above him in stature) and the community at large. His ideals are in the Democrats' playbook as we have seen. Blade's meme's are accurate depictions of Marx and his theories. I don't think that you did a good job refuting my sources. I find sources that are factual and reflect my views on the subject. As I said before, opinions aren't facts, and you gave a lot of your opinions regarding my analysis. People in research use other people's works and bookmark them in their papers, so you are just being unt***hful and opinionated when discussing many points of my analysis.

Attacking the sources because they weren't alt-Left is a flimsy excuse, but you tried your best I suppose.

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Mar 19, 2023 19:07:25   #
BIRDMAN
 
straightUp wrote:
Anyone can make memes, big boy...



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Mar 19, 2023 19:36:51   #
Radiance3
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Mark Levin’s American Marxism: A Much-Needed Home Run
Taking on the reality of the American Left.

As usual, Mark Levin pulls no punches.

His very first chapter in his new book, American Marxism — “It’s Here” — opens with a seriously precise description of the challenge America faces:

The counterrevolution to the American Revolution is in full force. And it can no longer be dismissed or ignored, for it is devouring our society and culture, swirling around our everyday lives, and ubiquitous in our politics, schools, media, and entertainment. Once a mostly unrelatable, fringe, and subterranean movement, it is here — and it is everywhere.…

The counterrevolution or movement of which I speak is Marxism.


It is Marx’s C*******t Manifesto, recall, that famously divided the world into “oppressor” and “oppressed.” Levin astutely notes that the use of this formula in today’s America by the Left means that “Either you are part of the righteous revolution for liberation and t***sformation or you are not.” This explains, “but only in part, the cowardice of corporatists, professional athletes, broadcasters, artists, actors, writers, and journalists who, in the face of such tumult, buckle under the pressure, seek to avoid the mob’s notice through various forms of appeasement and capitulation, and in some cases participate in their own t***sfiguration and even disembowelment.”

No more prescient description could be made of an event that occurred before American Marxism‘s release (its official publish date is next week) — the ostentatious corporate campaign against the Georgia v****g law that saw Major League Baseball’s All-Star Game summarily removed from Atlanta. The CEOs for Atlanta-based Coca-Cola and Delta Airlines quickly denounced the law — although quite notably they were stone silent about stricter v****g laws in Delaware, President Biden’s home state. This was a vivid example of Mark’s description of corporations buckling under the pressure “to avoid the mob’s notice.” (And in this case it specifically damaged the black-owned businesses of majority-black Atlanta.)

In discussing the role of mobs, Mark zeroes in on the “Marxist-anarchist ideology” of A****a and Black L***s M****r. In fact, well after Black L***s M****r’s popularity had surged in 2020, a 2015 video surfaced that revealed B*M co-founder Patrisse Cullors describing herself and her fellow B*M organizers as “trained Marxists.”

T***h counts. Mass movements, Mark also notes, “rely significantly on indoctrination and brainwashing.” Which is exactly the case with B*M and A****a.

American Marxism has an entire chapter dev**ed to “H**e America, Inc.” In it, Mark explains the long history of those who have openly pushed the Marxist agenda in America’s colleges and universities. He writes that the “progressive intellectuals of the late 1800s” were hostile “toward capitalism and the constitutional-republican system that established barriers against tyrannies of various kinds, including that which is born from the mob or centralized autocracy — and, of course, what would become known as progressivism.”

On the eve of American Marxism’s publication, America had just passed through the traditional July 4 holiday. And Mark’s description of the results generated by “H**e America, Inc” was on vivid display. The headline on the July 6 New York Post was nothing if not a confirmation of Mark’s point: It read,

Red, White and Woke

July 4th Weekend Became Liberal Bashfest of USA


The Post reported,

Liberal politicians and commentators took special joy in celebrating July 4th by denouncing America. The Statue of Liberty was not a symbol of freedom but a symbol of hypocrisy. The f**g was polarizing. The national anthem doesn’t speak for everyone (or anyone).

Among the remarks by these H**e America Marxists was this jewel of a tweet from Democrat Congresswoman Cori Bush of Missouri:

Cori Bush@CoriBush
When they say that the 4th of July is about American freedom, remember this: the freedom they’re referring to is for white people.

This land is stolen land and Black people still aren’t free.


Bush was answered by Republican Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, who precisely echoed Mark Levin’s point: “H**eful, d******e lies. The Left h**es America. Believe them when they tell you this.”

Indeed.

American Marxism also lasers in on critical race theory (CRT), correctly calling it what so many outraged parents across the land have seen as it is taught to their school-age children. Mark writes, “In short, CRT is an insidious and r****t Marxist ideology spreading throughout our culture and society.”

He cites George R. La Noue, research professor of public policy and political science at the University of Maryland Baltimore County. La Noue writes of

the two best-selling proponents of CRT, Robin DiAngelo and Ibram X. Kendi.… CRT begins with the presumption that race is the primary way to identify and analyze people and consequently posits a racial hierarchy that supposedly exists with w****s on top and b****s at the bottom. Individual behavior is insignificant because everyone in America functions within a society of s******c r****m, structural r****m, and institutional r****m.

Not only is this correct, but in fact DiAngelo and Kendi and CRT itself are nothing more than recycled George Wallace-ism. Wallace, for those who came in late, was the 1960s-era Democrat governor of Alabama who proudly proclaimed he supported “segregation today … segregation tomorrow … segregation forever.” Or, in other words, Wallace, as with CRT proponents, believed that “race is the primary way to identify and analyze people.”

American Marxism is, without question, a very important and valuable book. It is exactly the right book at the right time.
b Mark Levin’s American Marxism: A Much-Needed Ho... (show quote)

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Great, I second on that. We are already on that stage. The Justice system that we have is the worst, and the Constitutional assaults against the GOP political opponents. It is carried on like a Marxist system.

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Mar 19, 2023 19:40:59   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
archie bunker wrote:
Are they false?

I don't know. Do YOU want to read through the thousands of pages that Marx wrote to verify memes? Let me ask YOU a question... Are they true? The article that Justice101 linked to is easier to verify because the author specifies that the quotes come from the C*******t Manifesto, which is only 50 pages or so... I read it in one day when I was in high school for a social studies report.

But if the quotes are coming from something like Das Kapital, good luck finding them.

Besides, Marxism is a science not a religion. So one-line quotes don't hold the same value as they do in scripture, where the t***h is simply wh**ever is written in the Bible. What holds value in science are the difficult concepts that we grapple with just to find an approximation to the t***h which certainly cannot be explained in one sentence.

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Mar 19, 2023 20:48:50   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
straightUp wrote:
I don't know. Do YOU want to read through the thousands of pages that Marx wrote to verify memes? Let me ask YOU a question... Are they true? The article that Justice101 linked to is easier to verify because the author specifies that the quotes come from the C*******t Manifesto, which is only 50 pages or so... I read it in one day when I was in high school for a social studies report.

But if the quotes are coming from something like Das Kapital, good luck finding them.

Besides, Marxism is a science not a religion. So one-line quotes don't hold the same value as they do in scripture, where the t***h is simply wh**ever is written in the Bible. What holds value in science are the difficult concepts that we grapple with just to find an approximation to the t***h which certainly cannot be explained in one sentence.
I don't know. Do YOU want to read through the thou... (show quote)


Lol! Ain't you the wordy wordsmith trying to defend himself?
And, yep. I've read Marx, Alinsky, Lenin, Hitler, Reagan, Carter, and many others.
I'm just a dumb redneck who happens to like books, and learning stuff.
You should give it a try sometime.
It might actually knock you off of your high horse.
See, some of us aren't enthralled with winning arguments. Some of us just kinda like to sit back, and watch the cocksure one's make fools of themselves because we know.
We don't mind you 'smart' folks making fun because when the time comes, ya'll are gonna be begging us for a corn muffin.

You, you won't be given a crumb. You're too arrogant. I can't stand that in a person.

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Mar 19, 2023 20:53:00   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
archie bunker wrote:
Lol! Ain't you the wordy wordsmith trying to defend himself?
And, yep. I've read Marx, Alinsky, Lenin, Hitler, Reagan, Carter, and many others.
I'm just a dumb redneck who happens to like books, and learning stuff.
You should give it a try sometime.
It might actually knock you off of your high horse.
See, some of us aren't enthralled with winning arguments. Some of us just kinda like to sit back, and watch the cocksure one's make fools of themselves because we know.
We don't mind you 'smart' folks making fun because when the time comes, ya'll are gonna be begging us for a corn muffin.

You, you won't be given a crumb. You're too arrogant. I can't stand that in a person.
Lol! Ain't you the wordy wordsmith trying to defen... (show quote)
You da man, archie.

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Mar 19, 2023 20:56:50   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
Justice101 wrote:
Karl Marx, the man who you admire was a filthy drunk and an abominable adulterer who had an affair with his maid, got her pregnant and made her give the baby away to a home that didn't care for him.

What has that got to do with his studies? If there is any admiration on my part, that's it - his studies. I mean why should I give a sh.t about the personal habits of someone that lived 150 years ago? One of my favorite writers is John Steinbeck who was also a drunk but his writing was brilliant.

Justice101 wrote:

He persuaded Engels to claim the child as his own so not to degrade his "reputation" with his wife, (who was above him in stature) and the community at large.

Wh**ever.

Justice101 wrote:

His ideals are in the Democrats' playbook as we have seen.

What we have seen so far amounts to false accusations as I have proven by exposing the logical fallacies of each of them. I am also proving that you are relying on anti-Marxist rhetoric to "learn" about Marxism. That's like learning about Americans by reading what the Iranians have to say about them.

Justice101 wrote:

Blade's meme's are accurate depictions of Marx and his theories.

You have demonstrated an inability to see the errors in your sources, which leads me to believe that you have no clue what his theories are.

Justice101 wrote:

I don't think that you did a good job refuting my sources.

I exposed errors and fallacies in each and every one of their i***tic accusations. But I figured you would deny it. I mean, what else are you going to do if you don't actually understand any of it?

Justice101 wrote:

I find sources that are factual and reflect my views on the subject.

We both know that's what matters. If the sources reflect your views on the subject, it must be correct. LOL

Justice101 wrote:

As I said before, opinions aren't facts, and you gave a lot of your opinions regarding my analysis.

Actually, most of my responses were factual, such as the actual quotes from The C*******t Manifesto that show's how adulterated your sources are.

Justice101 wrote:

People in research use other people's works and bookmark them in their papers, so you are just being unt***hful and opinionated when discussing many points of my analysis.

People in research develop their own thesis and use other people's works to validate them. You didn't even do that. You stole a thesis from FEE and used other people's "works" to validate that. You're original thoughts probably didn't exceed 5% of the total content.

Justice101 wrote:

Attacking the sources because they weren't alt-Left is a flimsy excuse, but you tried your best I suppose.

I attacked the sources because I found their faults and exposed their deceptions. Telling me it's because they weren't "alt-Left" is a weak attempt to save face.

I'm not done yet... I still have the other two things that your source says Marx wanted to abolish. You don't have to stick around, I'm sure there's cartoons to watch and I'm really just doing this for the exercise, but thank you for giving me the prompts. I haven't read Marx in probably 40 years.

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Mar 19, 2023 21:03:46   #
EmilyD
 
straightUp wrote:
I don't know. Do YOU want to read through the thousands of pages that Marx wrote to verify memes? Let me ask YOU a question... Are they true? The article that Justice101 linked to is easier to verify because the author specifies that the quotes come from the C*******t Manifesto, which is only 50 pages or so... I read it in one day when I was in high school for a social studies report.

But if the quotes are coming from something like Das Kapital, good luck finding them.

Besides, Marxism is a science not a religion. So one-line quotes don't hold the same value as they do in scripture, where the t***h is simply wh**ever is written in the Bible. What holds value in science are the difficult concepts that we grapple with just to find an approximation to the t***h which certainly cannot be explained in one sentence.
I don't know. Do YOU want to read through the thou... (show quote)

So...because YOU can't verify them - quotes attributed to Karl Marx, that have been read by many millions of people all over the world, (and since 1883) - they may or may not be true? And furthermore, because you don't want to bother verifying them, you are going to move forward with the conclusion that you haven't seen proof that he said them, therefore you have your doubts that they exist??

Did I get that right???

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Mar 19, 2023 21:04:37   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
straightUp wrote:
I'm not done yet... I still have the other two things that your source says Marx wanted to abolish.
U R wasting your time.

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Mar 19, 2023 21:07:19   #
Rose42
 
EmilyD wrote:
Ahhhh. I see.

Did I interrupt the "professor's" lecture? How DARE I????? 😮


Book smarts do not equate to wisdom

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Mar 19, 2023 21:26:35   #
Justice101
 
straightUp wrote:
I attacked the sources because I found their faults and exposed their deceptions. Telling me it's because they weren't "alt-Left" is a weak attempt to save face.

I'm not done yet... I still have the other two things that your source says Marx wanted to abolish. You don't have to stick around, I'm sure there's cartoons to watch and I'm really just doing this for the exercise, but thank you for giving me the prompts. I haven't read Marx in probably 40 years.


It doesn't matter if you're not done yet. I am done with you!
"If you aren't humble, wh**ever empathy you claim is false and probably results from some arrogance or the desire to control. But true empathy is rooted in humility and the understanding that there are many people with as much to contribute in life as you".

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Mar 19, 2023 21:32:10   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
archie bunker wrote:
Lol! Ain't you the wordy wordsmith trying to defend himself?
And, yep. I've read Marx, Alinsky, Lenin, Hitler, Reagan, Carter, and many others.
I'm just a dumb redneck who happens to like books, and learning stuff.
You should give it a try sometime.
It might actually knock you off of your high horse.

Seems to me like you're the one with the high horse Mr. I read such and such.

archie bunker wrote:

See, some of us aren't enthralled with winning arguments.

Some of you aren't capable of winning an argument, which is why people like YOU always resort to personal attacks just like you're doing right now.

archie bunker wrote:

Some of us just kinda like to sit back, and watch the cocksure one's make fools of themselves because we know.

You don't know sh.t and you dislike me in particular because I obviously do and that just grinds yer gears.

archie bunker wrote:

We don't mind you 'smart' folks making fun because when the time comes, ya'll are gonna be begging us for a corn muffin.

See there you go... another reference to "smartness". You bring that up a LOT, this obsession with telling me that I'm not as smart as I think I am. If you had the intelligence to dispute my points, you wouldn't need to resort to such ridiculous comments.

archie bunker wrote:

You, you won't be given a crumb. You're too arrogant. I can't stand that in a person.

I seriously doubt there will ever be a day when I have to beg you for anything. As for the inferiority complex you obviously suffer from, I suggest you spend less time hating people and find something more constructive to build up your self-confidence.

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