PeterS

Remember when you conservatives lost your minds when Obama didn't arm Ukraine? And now, those of you who follow Tucker Carlson are losing your minds because Biden IS arming Ukraine! So how are the two positions different?

Liberty Tree

There has to be a limit.

nonalien1 Loc: Mojave Desert

Which side did you support? Obamas or Bidens?

LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago

I am not in favor of arming Ukraine.
I am totally against the c**p in Ukraine that obama authorized and fomented. Along with biden, hiliary and nuland.
I am in favor of the subsequent movement of Crimea to Russia.
I am in favor of the Donbas citizens revolting against the illegal moves by the illegal Kiev government in 2014.
I am against the Ukrainian N**is attacks against the Donbas.
I am against America training these N**is.
I am against these N**i's torture chambers and torturing of their own citizens and POWs to death.
I could go on, and educate you on these matters, but they have been explained time and time again on OPP. I don't think you are capable of learning.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Several conservatives on the OPP have openly stated that they were wrong concerning Obama not arming the Ukraine...And that he made the right decision...

Personally, I don't think it matters because Trump did arm them and it didn't deter Russia in the least...

I all so find it pathetic how the current administration is going about things... A slow escalation rather than a firm commitment or refusal... Drawing out the conflict...

Puds Loc: So Centrl MN

AMEN !!!!!

Strycker Loc: The middle of somewhere else.

I got to agree with your last statement. Biden's handling of this is pathetic and guaranteed to fail everyone involved except the arms contractors. Slow escalation is much more profitable than one and done.

nonalien1 Loc: Mojave Desert

Russia didn't invade while Trump was in office. I agree this admin. is going about it wrong. I personally feel we could have talked Putin out of the invasion by supporting Donbas independence. Now all we are doing is escalating the conflict to a ridiculous degree. What good are tanks without air support? This whole thing is once again about money with contractors already bidding on the rebuilding of Ukraine

elledee

BS!!!!!

Boone Loc: Kansas

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Agreed...

PeterS

Why is that, the situation is more direr than then? This sounds like hypocrisy and nothing else!

PeterS

Obama didn't want to aid Ukraine because he didn't want to antagonize Putin. That position though is one of a wimp, and now so is Tucker only he seems to be mirroring the same propaganda as it comes from Putin. The question begged is why is a patriotic American supporting an authoritarian dictator that is closer to f*****m than Ukraine ever will be? At least Ukraine has a chance at a Democracy and as long as that is so we--the leading democracy in the world--have an obligation to aid them.

And I'll remind you, by default you are supporting an authoritarian dictator because only through U.S. aid is Ukraine able to fend off the Bear that is Vladimir Putin who takes what he wants and only wants more. He took Bulgaria, he took Georgia, he took Crimea, and today he wants Ukraine--and conveniently all using the same faint of coming to the aid of breakaway regions that Russia has to protect. So what's next, Poland and/or Scandinavia? Will there soon be breakaway regions in those countries that Putin HAS to support or do you think Putin is justified in taking what he wants? So tell me, when does an authoritarian dictator ever want less and just why are you trying to give him what he wants?

Smedley_buzkill

I am finding it difficult to find anything about this Administration that is NOT pathetic. As for Crimea, it was historically a part of Russia up until the 1950s when it was basically made a part of Ukraine by Kruschev, who was, himself, a Ukrainian. Not only was Crimea a part of Russia for at least 300 years, the majority of the population consideres themselves Russian. The annexation of Crimea was a correction of a capricious action by a Soviet C*******t some 60 or 70 years ago.
Donbas is similar, although without the substantial majority of Russian population. Donbas has majority Russian population in parts, though not the entire province.

PeterS

They have? Gosh, I must have missed that one.


It may not have deterred Putin but it did stop him. The Ukrainian countryside was littered with tanks and other Russian military vehicles destroyed by the Javelin antitank missile.


1) You find it pathetic? I'm crushed!!!

2) You don't think Biden's/NATO's commitment is firm enough? Anything not supplied by Biden--soon enough--is being provided by NATO. The tanks and troop carriers provided by all of NATO are superior to anything that Russia has. That, with enough Javilins and drones to wipe Russian armor off the map. Plus, we aren't talking about the stingers that have taken out both Russian fixed-wing and helicopters, that and all the small arms and ammunition they might need...not to mention satellite assistance that the US has given the Ukrainian military the upper hand in several battles plus loss of several Russian ships. That's a pretty long list of aid for someone you think hasn't made a firm enough commitment to Ukraine.

3) The only way to shorten the war would have been to allow Russia to 'annex' all of Ukraine! And in case you didn't know Putin used the excuse of coming to the aid of break-a-way regions in Georgia, Crimea, and Albania, as an excuse to annex the entire country.

4) If Putin isn't stopped here where is he going to be stopped? Poland? Scandinavia? Germany? all of Europe? What doesn't Putin want so where is he going to be stopped?