LostAggie66 Loc: Corpus Christi, TX (Shire of Seawinds)

Is She Right? Should there be a National divorce as Congresswoman Greene announced on Presidents Day? Here is at least One Opinion from a Pro democrat commenter.https://youtu.be/2aDNYm8AdEc

proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA

NO!!.. I'm against National divorce!! NOT a good idea!!...

LostAggie66 Loc: Corpus Christi, TX (Shire of Seawinds)

Well We do Agree on this at least. It is not a Good Idea. Let's Hope more people agree with us.

dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA

Not only is it a bad idea, but it's also a stupid idea. We tried it once.

nonalien1 Loc: Mojave Desert

This is about the dumbest thing she has come up with yet. No state is 100‰ red or blue. I know California is thought of as a blue state. But with the exception of LA Frisco and maybe San Diego the state is mostly red. Drawing up sides is one step away from civil war. We certainly don't need a civil war. Outside influences will control both sides just like last time. Any disruption in government opens the door to foreign meddling. The g*******ts will jump at the chance to destroy America

dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA

We Don’t Need A ‘National Divorce,’ We Need More Federalism
BY: DAVID HARSANYI
FEBRUARY 21, 2023
5 MIN READ

Marjorie Taylor Greene says the country needs a national divorce. “We need to separate by red states and blue states and shrink the federal government,” she tweeted. “Everyone I talk to says this. From the sick and d********g woke culture issues shoved down our throats to the Democrat’s t*****rous America Last policies, we are done.”

Generally speaking, I’m sympathetic to the idea that the political left is unable to accept a truly diverse nation. Virtually every legislative policy proposal from modern Democrats — and every policy issued by edict — strengthens federal power and economic control over states. Modern Democrats are champions of direct democracy, an effort to undercut the choices of local communities and individuals. When they don’t get their way, the D.C. bureaucracy steps in to circumvent the will of states. And when courts stop them, Democrats work to delegitimize and weaken the judiciary. Just this week, Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Ore., argued states should simply disregard the Supreme Court when they don’t agree with a decision. Ignoring the division of power is far more likely to cause a national schism than any Greene tweet.

None of that means a “national divorce” — really succession, since other states are unlikely to concede to a split — isn’t a reckless thing for someone who took a vow to defend the Constitution to advocate. Even if we took a moment to seriously contemplate the idea, how would it be achieved? We aren’t separated ideologically into large geographic regions or even states, but rather urban, suburban, and rural areas. Conservatives like to share that map showing virtually the entire country painted in e*******l red — and it matters more than Democrats like to admit. But we can’t discount that density also matters. A “national divorce” would create even smaller minorities and divisions, but little difference in the way of policy. (How are the Greenes going to shrink the government when they won’t even reform entitlements?)

For that matter, where will Greene’s Georgia, which Joe Biden won in 2020 and now has two left-wing senators, end up in this split? How about purple states like Virginia or New Hampshire? Will we have 50 separate referendums? Will there be population exchanges like the one India and Pakistan undertook in 1947? If history is any indication, it’s the kind of situation that leads to political violence and economic ruin.

And, you know, you already have the freedom to move about the nation and find a place that suits your lifestyle and politics. That’s one of the reasons we’re a place that has room for a progressive vegan, the evangelical conservative farmer, the suburban moderate, and everyone in between.

During the past 42 years, the federal government has been divided for 30 of them. Over the past three presidencies, the president’s party lost at least one house after only two years. The instinct of the American public is to split power. The organic state of a divided nation is glorious gridlock — which is why the 10th Amendment exists. Now, it’s also true that l*****ts struggle with the notion of letting people in red states think, speak, and live in ways they dislike. There is a national political and cultural effort to homogenize us. And when Republicans appropriate the existing local power Democrats have used for decades to implement their own choices — as Ron DeSantis has done in Florida — l*****ts act as if we’re on the precipice of a dictatorship. But they have no power to stop him. Only Florida v**ers do. This is why federalism exists. It is why some states thrive and others don’t. And federalism is not only a more desirable solution than breaking the country into two, but also far more feasible.

It’s also worth noting that political divisions aren’t static. People can be persuaded. Events change perceptions. It is very likely that our kids and grandkids are going to face a different set of problems and divisions. Are we going to split into four in 50 years?

None of this is to argue there aren’t serious problems facing the nation, but Big Tech’s relentless highlighting of every decisive moment, every rabid voice, and every radical position clouds our view of reality. The nastier and crazier you pretend to be, the more misleading your tweets, and the more partisan you act, the more followers you can expect. The incentive of social media success is corrosive. Most of it just exacerbates political divisions.

In the real world, you probably live in proximity to plenty of people with different religious, cultural, and ideological values, yet, despite what you’ve heard, we’re a nation with negligible political violence. In many ways, despite the mess politicians have made, our lives are better than ever. Let’s keep it that way.

PeterS

We are separated by red and blue states with the fight over the states in the middle. Isn't that as much as a national divorce that we can get?

PeterS

Sorry, I had to stop here.

The Republican party is 90% white! 90%! Accept diversity...Democrats are diversity!

dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA

No, the Democrats are r****ts and have always been r****ts. The Republican Party was established for one purpose; to end s***ery thus ensuring the liberty of every person in the USA. The Democrats were the party from which Jim Crow laws and the KKK came about. The only thing diverse in the Democrat Party is the way they look at skin color due to identity politics, not diversity of thought. Remember, it was Biden who said if you didn't v**e for him then "you ain't black." It doesn't get any more r****t than that.

LostAggie66 Loc: Corpus Christi, TX (Shire of Seawinds)

I absolutely Agree and I am Fairly sure there are a few more democrats who agree with us.

Sonny Magoo Loc: Where pot pie is boiled in a kettle

Here you go:

https://youtu.be/ICKvCE409fI


Go ahead..celebrate 🍾

LostAggie66 Loc: Corpus Christi, TX (Shire of Seawinds)

A very good article thanks for posting. I hope more democrats read this and take what is being explained to heart.

dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA

That's why we need a Convention of States.

dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA

Succession would have to be approved by Congress, not the state itself.

ARTICLE IV
Section 3
New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.

The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State.

Article I, Section 10of the Constitution limits the powers of the states by prohibiting them from entering into treaties with foreign nations (a power reserved to the president with the consent of the Senate), printing their own money, or granting titles of nobility.
Like Congress, the states may not pass “bills of attainder,” laws declaring any person or group guilty of a crime without due process of law, “ex post facto laws,” laws that make an act illegal retroactively or laws that interfere with legal contracts.
In addition, no state, without the approval of both houses of Congress, may collect taxes on imports or exports, raise an army or harbor warships in times of peace, nor otherwise declare or engage in war unless invaded or in imminent danger.

SeaLass Loc: Western Soviet Socialist Republics

Diversity of looks, yes, diversity of thought, no way!