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Feb 1, 2023 15:33:39   #
whole2th
 
Smedley_buzk**l wrote:
Iran has consistently violated treaties and agreements. Not just in nuclear weapons.

https://www.unitedagainstnucleariran.com/irans-disregard-for-international-law-and-agreements

https://www.amnesty.org/en/location/middle-east-and-north-africa/iran/report-iran/

https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/foreign-secretary-statement-on-iran

https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/10/17/un-human-rights-council-must-hold-special-session-iran

https://www.canada.ca/en/global-affairs/news/2022/10/canada-imposes-sanctions-on-iran-for-systematic-human-rights-violations.html

The "agreement" reached by Obama denies US inspectors access to Iranian facilities, denies international inspectors admittance to many Iranian nuclear facilities, including all military ones. It allowed Iran to keep enough centrifuges to continue their enrichment program. Iran has threatened to wipe Israel off the map too many times to count. The Iranian government are not nice people.
Iran has consistently violated treaties and agreem... (show quote)


There is no evidence of Iran intending to make a nuclear weapon. If anything this is false PROJECTION of Israeli intentions upon Iran.

From the get-go, Iran has declared its nuclear program is intended for peaceful purposes.

Whose nukes were these? Certainly not Iran's. https://youtu.be/CCS4ZATq2ww Baghdad Syria Yemen Donetsk

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Feb 1, 2023 15:36:32   #
robertv3
 
whole2th wrote:
the Israeli regime has openly expressed opposition to the [Iran] deal since it was signed back in 2015. The regime, which is the only possessor of nuclear warheads in the region without being a member of the Non-Proliferation Treaty, has made various efforts in the past years to hamper Iran’s peaceful nuclear program, from assassinating Iranian scientists to carrying out acts of sabotage in Iranian facilities and trying to push others away from the deal.

https://alethonews.com/2023/02/01/irish-mep-us-yielding-to-israeli-pressures-over-2015-iran-nuclear-deal/#respond

Why has Israel refused inspection of Dimona by the IAEA?

Why is it OK for inspectors to go on a fishing expedition and overlook the threat Israel poses to the world with its nuclear arsenal?

https://alethonews.com/2023/02/01/iaea-head-must-visit-iran-with-specific-objective-says-irans-nuclear-chief/
the Israeli regime has openly expressed opposition... (show quote)


I agree with much of what you have written here.

You say, "The regime, which is the only possessor of nuclear warheads in the region without being a member of the Non-Proliferation Treaty ..."

I believe it.

You say, "... has made various efforts in the past years to hamper Iran’s peaceful nuclear program ...".

Is there such a thing as "a peaceful nuclear program"?

(I think the answer is obvious but I'm curious about where such a discussion would rapidly go.)

You ask, "Why has Israel refused inspection ... by the IAEA?"

Because it _can_ and _wants_to_. Why does anybody _allow_ inspection of anything by anyone? I think that allowing is done to demonstrate t***h and foster peace. Or sometimes the allowing may be coerced; but even if coerced it may still demonstrate t***h and foster peace. Nobody is coercing Israel yet; Israel (the government of it) is not interested in fostering t***h in such matters; and Israel (the government of it) has such a one-sided idea of "peace" that it doesn't relate to even-handed cooperation by Israel.

Who allows inspection by the IAEA, and who doesn't? I believe Iraq and Iran do allow it, while Israel and North Korea don't. Does the IAEA inspect in Russia or in the U.S.? I doubt it. Why doesn't it? (I think I can guess what the answer is, but would like your clarification on the matter.)

The Israeli government is backed by the U.S. government; the U.S. government is powerful enough, and backs Israel so abjectly, that Israel has been able to do wh**ever it wants. How is the U.S. so powerful and abject at the same time? The U.S. is powerful in that it uses force in many places around the world. The U.S. is abject about Israel because of a bad kind of politics built by people such as in a lobby, supporting Israel, to the U.S. Congress. The U.S. people, also, have a limited view of what Israel is about. The U.S. people remember the Holocaust that was against Jews in Europe in WW II and the U.S.'s role in WW II. The U.S. people at large don't have much room in their heads to _also_ recognize the wrongs that _Israel_ does now. This simple-mindedness of the U.S. people regarding Israel is nourished (that is, kept simple and naive, and reinforced in its simplicity and naïveté) by the Israel-supporting lobby and by people similar to it.

I agree that "Israel poses a threat to the world with its nuclear arsenal"; however, I could say the same about several other countries, probably including the U.S. Right now I feel that North Korea's the worst and maybe Israel's the second worst, in this regard.

"... inspectors ... go on a fishing expedition ..." Maybe so. I think the IAEA _itself_ is probably impartial enough; but, the IAEA is probably subject to influence from the U.S. which is abjectly backing Israel.

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Feb 1, 2023 15:41:27   #
whole2th
 
robertv3 wrote:
I agree with much of what you have written here.

You say, "The regime, which is the only possessor of nuclear warheads in the region without being a member of the Non-Proliferation Treaty ..."

I believe it.

You say, "... has made various efforts in the past years to hamper Iran’s peaceful nuclear program ...".

Is there such a thing as "a peaceful nuclear program"?

(I think the answer is obvious but I'm curious about where such a discussion would rapidly go.)

You ask, "Why has Israel refused inspection ... by the IAEA?"

Because it _can_ and _wants_to_. Why does anybody _allow_ inspection of anything by anyone? I think that allowing is done to demonstrate t***h and foster peace. Or sometimes the allowing may be coerced; but even if coerced it may still demonstrate t***h and foster peace. Nobody is coercing Israel yet; Israel (the government of it) is not interested in fostering t***h in such matters; and Israel (the government of it) has such a one-sided idea of "peace" that it doesn't relate to even-handed cooperation by Israel.

Who allows inspection by the IAEA, and who doesn't? I believe Iraq and Iran do allow it, while Israel and North Korea don't. Does the IAEA inspect in Russia or in the U.S.? I doubt it. Why doesn't it? (I think I can guess what the answer is, but would like your clarification on the matter.)

The Israeli government is backed by the U.S. government; the U.S. government is powerful enough, and backs Israel so abjectly, that Israel has been able to do wh**ever it wants. How is the U.S. so powerful and abject at the same time? The U.S. is powerful in that it uses force in many places around the world. The U.S. is abject about Israel because of a bad kind of politics built by people such as in a lobby, supporting Israel, to the U.S. Congress. The U.S. people, also, have a limited view of what Israel is about. The U.S. people remember the Holocaust that was against Jews in Europe in WW II and the U.S.'s role in WW II. The U.S. people at large don't have much room in their heads to _also_ recognize the wrongs that _Israel_ does now. This simple-mindedness of the U.S. people regarding Israel is nourished by the Israel-supporting lobby and by people similar to it.

I agree that "Israel poses a threat to the world with its nuclear arsenal"; however, I could say the same about several other countries, probably including the U.S. Right now I feel that North Korea's the worst and maybe Israel's the second worst, in this regard.

"... inspectors ... go on a fishing expedition ..." Maybe so. I think the IAEA _itself_ is probably impartial enough; but, the IAEA is probably subject to influence from the U.S. which is abjectly backing Israel.
I agree with much of what you have written here. b... (show quote)


So refreshing to read a balanced perspective. The regurgitation by Z*****ts here gets tiresome.

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Feb 1, 2023 15:42:52   #
proud republican Loc: RED CALIFORNIA
 
whole2th wrote:
There is no evidence of Iran intending to make a nuclear weapon. If anything this is false PROJECTION of Israeli intentions upon Iran.

From the get-go, Iran has declared its nuclear program is intended for peaceful purposes.

Whose nukes were these? Certainly not Iran's. https://youtu.be/CCS4ZATq2ww Baghdad Syria Yemen Donetsk


BS!!

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Feb 1, 2023 15:43:31   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
whole2th wrote:
The talking point about Iran intentions to make nuclear weapons ("repeat a big lie often enough") has been in play for 30-40 years.

During the Six Day War, Israel attacked the USS Liberty--and the LBJ regime let them get away with it, in part by forbidding the Navy and Marine personnel on the USS Liberty from talking about Israel's unprovoked attack on this US asset for 25 years.

Being enlightened, I see a pattern of deception on the part of Z*****ts to control narratives and skew history.

Israel is the beneficiary and Z*****m the nexus of the false f**gs attack on the US on 9-11-01. Muslims are falsely blamed for the 9-11 attacks.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/36hn5fhuk7paliu/Barrett%2C%20Gage%2C%20Bollyn%202017%20%E2%80%9CThe%20War%20On%20Islam%E2%80%9D%20HD.mp4?dl=0

The z*****t control of narratives is a plague on the human journey.
The talking point about Iran intentions to make nu... (show quote)
Sieg heil, herr Rottenfuhrer!

Among all Muslim nations, the Islamic regime of Iran is a master of the doctrine "al taqiyya" (the Holy Deception).
They certainly hoodwinked Obama and John Effing Kerry, and without a doubt, they definitely fooled the h**e filled
skinhead neo-N**i, Hole2th.

A freaking rock is more enlightened than you.

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Feb 1, 2023 15:44:16   #
whole2th
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Sieg heil, herr Rottenfuhrer!

Among all Muslim nations, the Islamic regime of Iran is a master of the doctrine "al taqiyya" (the Holy Deception).
They certainly hoodwinked Obama and John Effing Kerry, and without a doubt, they definitely fooled the h**e filled
skinhead neo-N**i, Hole2th.

A freaking rock is more enlightened than you.


All bluster without substance.

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Feb 1, 2023 16:26:22   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
whole2th wrote:
There is no evidence of Iran intending to make a nuclear weapon. If anything this is false PROJECTION of Israeli intentions upon Iran.

From the get-go, Iran has declared its nuclear program is intended for peaceful purposes.

Whose nukes were these? Certainly not Iran's. https://youtu.be/CCS4ZATq2ww Baghdad Syria Yemen Donetsk


You accuse others of providing no proof. I provide official government sources and you post some horse puckey YouTube crap as your "proof." I have seen some of your other posts, and I'm trying to figure out whether you are a Holocaust denier, or a Holocaust approver.

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Feb 1, 2023 16:28:56   #
whole2th
 
Smedley_buzk**l wrote:
You accuse others of providing no proof. I provide official government sources and you post some horse puckey YouTube crap as your "proof." I have seen some of your other posts, and I'm trying to figure out whether you are a Holocaust denier, or a Holocaust approver.


I acknowledge the holodomor--committed by Bolsheviks on the white Russian Christian population k*****g an estimated 40-60 million.

The Holocaust (TM) narrative or the actual facts as one may find on CODOH?

Does the number 271,301 have any meaning to you, buzk**l?

Z*****t press and Z*****t government source statements don't make it t***h. We know governments--especially Z*****t-occupied governments--lie.

Do you have any regard for actual t***h? Or, is your universe driven by contrived narratives?

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Feb 1, 2023 16:30:39   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
whole2th wrote:
All bluster without substance.


What are you? All N**i without Führer? Heil Shicklgruber.

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Feb 1, 2023 16:31:28   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
whole2th wrote:
I acknowledge the holodomor--committed by Bolsheviks on the white Russian Christian population k*****g an estimated 40-60 million.

The Holocaust (TM) narrative or the actual facts as one may find on CODOH?

Does the number 271,301 have any meaning to you, buzk**l?

Z*****t press and Z*****t government source statements don't make it t***h. We know governments--especially Z*****t-occupied governments--lie.

Do you have any regard for actual t***h? Or, is your universe driven by contrived narratives?
I acknowledge the holodomor--committed by Bolshevi... (show quote)


More than a Schicklgruber wannabe does.

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Feb 1, 2023 16:31:37   #
whole2th
 
Smedley_buzk**l wrote:
What are you? All N**i without Führer? Heil Shicklgruber.


The N**is we now are plagued with are in Ukraine and supported by Israel + US + ZOGS of NATO.

Why do you support N**is in Ukraine?





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Feb 1, 2023 16:41:44   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
whole2th wrote:
So refreshing to read a balanced perspective. The regurgitation by Z*****ts here gets tiresome.


So do the disingenuous prevarications of wannabe Shutzstaffel.

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Feb 1, 2023 16:45:58   #
whole2th
 
Smedley_buzk**l wrote:
So do the disingenuous prevarications of wannabe Shutzstaffel.


You sincerely h**e the t***h.

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Feb 1, 2023 16:47:57   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
whole2th wrote:
The N**is we now are plagued with are in Ukraine and supported by Israel + US + ZOGS of NATO.

Why do you support N**is in Ukraine?


I'm not the one spouting N**i chicken kacky, you are. You need to decide if you are a N**i or a C*******t. First you support the N**is who despise the C*******ts, then you accuse me of supporting N**is in Ukraine, which means you support the C*******ts. Your posts remind me of a squeaky toy I bought for my dog when she was a puppy.

Now be a nice boy and go play in traffic. The heavier, the better.

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Feb 1, 2023 16:50:12   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
whole2th wrote:
You sincerely h**e the t***h.


Not at all; should you ever post any of it, I'll be sure and give it a kiss.

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