troysal Loc: Picayune MS

If you can handle it, read this article, then we can discuss it.

https://letthetruthcomeoutblog.wordpress.com/2020/09/17/john-1030-38-did-jesus-really-claim-to-be-god/

Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois

This passage needs to be read in context so I suggest John 10:22-42. I believe if at all possible and with the guidance of the Holy Spirit (1 John 2:27) that the Bible should be read at its face value so here is my Reader’s Digest version of this text… I believe that Jesus is God.

• Jesus was walking in the temple
• The Jews confronted Jesus demanding that He tell them if He is God.
• Jesus said that He already told them that He bears witness by the works that He did in His Father’s name but said that they didn’t believe Him because they weren’t among His sheep. His sheep hear His voice and He knows them and they follow Him.
• Jesus claimed He was God (He and the Father are one – 1520. εἷς heis (masc.) or μία mia (fem.) or ἕν hen (neut.); a prim. num.; one: agreement, alike, common, one, one another, one man, one thing, single, unity).
• Jews went to stone Him because He claimed to be God.
• Jesus basically insults them because they were acting as arrogant, unjust judges.
• Jesus again claimed He was God by saying that if He wasn’t doing the works of His Father, then don’t believe Him. But if not, He said to believe the works followed by the claim that the Father was in Him and He was in the Father (In – 1722. ἐν en; a prim. prep. denoting position and by impl. instrumentality; in, with: along, among, within).
• Jesus escaped across the Jordan
• And many believed.

Jesus claimed He was God twice. And I believe Him because I’m one of His sheep that hear His voice and He knows me and I follow Him.

troysal Loc: Picayune MS

That is a rather superficial reading of the passage, which ignores the historical and cultural context in which it was written.

Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. The Holy Spirit, who guides me, teaches me and doesn’t lie (1 John 24-27) showed me what this passage means. The takeaway I got from it is that Jesus told the Jews that He was God but they didn’t believe Him because they weren’t among His sheep for if they were, He would know them and they would hear His voice follow Him. I know Jesus’ voice through the Scriptures (John 14:6), believe in Him (Romans 10:9-10) and follow Him (John 8:12). In this instance I don’t need historical or cultural context to understand what was plainly revealed to me by the Holy Spirit. And because of that, but not exclusively, I believe that He is God.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Parky will now claim that his invisible friend that only he can hear will prove you wrong...

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Nailed it..

troysal Loc: Picayune MS

Right. So if I claim that the holy spirit led me to arrive at my interpretation of the text, then how can we know which interpretation is right? Parky will no doubt say that his is correct because it aligns with the tradition. There is a certain circularity to his reasoning. Proper methods of exegesis, which involve taking into account authorial intent and historical and cultural contexts, have no part to play in interpreting the biblical text for him.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Exactly...
And well stated

Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois

I find it ironic that I'm trying to have a normal conversation and all you and canuckus are is in attack mode.

[Jesus said:] If the world hates you, you know that it hated Me before it hated you. If you were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. John 15:18-19

But you have received the Holy Spirit, and he lives within you, so you don’t need anyone to teach you what is true. For the Spirit teaches you everything you need to know, and what he teaches is true—it is not a lie. So just as he has taught you, remain in fellowship with Christ. 1 John 2:27

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Imagine having a conversation where facts count... Brutal...

Don't worry parky...I don't hate you... Just saw about all the paint chips and adderall

Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois

There are facts... and then there are "your facts." "Facts like 'Parky will now claim that his invisible friend that only he can hear will prove you wrong...'"

I don't hate you either canuckus. In fact I love you and want nothing more than for you to come to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ. Only problem is I dislike you immensely. But then again it doesn't say in the Bible that I have to like you.

troysal Loc: Picayune MS

Do you find it ironic because you are the one who is typically in attack mode when someone posts something you don't agree with? Stop with the martyr complex, no one is persecuting you, just pointing out obvious errors in your thinking.

You quoted 1 John 2:27 - does this mean you never avail yourself of anyones teaching?

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Good point..
Love you back bro..

Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois

Our conversation started out benign enough until you bought up that you didn’t think that Jesus is God. I replied that I begged to differ and defended my position that I believe He is. You replied, “If you can handle it, read this article, then we can discuss it,’ and provided a link to your website – you appear to and I’ve seen accusations before that you use OPP to “advertise” your website – but I digress.

I looked up the passage (John 10:30-38) and perused your article, determining that John 10:22-42 provided the proper context and provided a rebuttal. You responded – attacked was more like it – that it was “a rather superficial reading of the passage, which ignores the historical and cultural context in which it was written.”

Do you know what the word superficial means? Shallow; not deep or profound; reaching or comprehending only what is obvious or apparent. I let it slide off my shoulders and replied that everyone is entitled to their opinion and went on to defend what I wrote.

Then your buddy canuckus – who is always willing to provide a tag team partner – replied (attacked) and you agreed with, “Parky will now claim that his invisible friend that only he can hear will prove you wrong...” I replied that I found it ironic that I'm trying to have a normal conversation and all you and canuckus are is in attack mode.

Then I found it ironic that you replied in the exact same manner when you replied, “Do you find it ironic because you are the one who is typically in attack mode when someone posts something you don't agree with? Stop with the martyr complex, no one is persecuting you, just pointing out obvious errors in your thinking.”


So, having you agree with canuckus saying, “Parky will now claim that his invisible friend that only he can hear will prove you wrong...” is somehow having a martyr complex? And then you saying, “Parky will no doubt say that his is correct because it aligns with the tradition…?” Or beginning with my reply was “a rather superficial reading of the passage, which ignores the historical and cultural context in which it was written”…? Saying all of this while knowing absolutely NOTHING about me or how I approach my Bible study. Then you say that you’re “just” pointing out obvious errors in my thinking? To which I reply who or what gives you the authority to make that claim?

Well buddy boy, you may have head knowledge – but even that comes into question – but it appears that you don’t have heart knowledge; God wants to know what’s in your heart, not how much you know.


As for 1 John 2:27, my “go to” source is the Bible along with asking for the Holy Spirit’s guidance. There are also strong Christian men I know who have gained my trust that are my mentors. Which means that counts you out because my gift of discernment indicates to me that you are a false teacher.

Good day.

troysal Loc: Picayune MS

[quote=Parky60]Well buddy boy, you may have head knowledge – but even that comes into question – but it appears that you don’t have heart knowledge; God wants to know what’s in your heart, not how much you know.

Is it possible for someone to have head knowledge and also believe that knowledge with all his heart. Please tell me what this distinction between head and heart knowledge is; I'm not sure that it is a biblical idea.