crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island

JOHN KENNEDY’S ASSASSINATION
MEMORIES AND CONSPIRACIES

On Friday, November 22, 1963, our entire Bronx campus of New York University was abuzz with pr********ns for Thanksgiving six days later. The Modern Jazz Quartet was scheduled to give a concert the next evening and many of the fraternities were getting ready for parties as we were at Kappa Sigma.

I was on a ladder when one of the brothers came in and said, “Somebody shot Kennedy!” He’d heard it on his small t***sistor radio. We all stopped what we were doing and gathered around to listen to our house radio tuned to WNBC-AM.

They’d set up t***smitters in the lobby of Parkland Hospital and all we could hear was the background noise of confused commotion and Chet Huntley saying the president’s injuries were reported to be serious. Suddenly, the broadcasting went silent and I knew he’d died. After a few more moments of radio silence, Chet Huntley came on and said, “The President of The United States is dead!” We were aghast and stunned.

Two of us walked together to the campus, a block away to find out what was happening and to spread the bad news. On the way, we commented to each other that we had chills running up & down our spines. It had been 62 years since a president, William McKinley, had been assassinated. Two had since died in office, Warren G. Harding and Franklin D. Roosevelt, but a p**********l assassination was out of the realm of reality.

When we got to the campus, outside the Student Union, several students were crowded around a car listening to the news and one said, it was ‘probably some c****e.’ JFK had humiliated Nikita Khrushchev & Fidel Castro thirteen months earlier in the Cuban Missile Crisis, the most dangerous nuclear confrontation in history. When I went into the Student Union to spread the news, one student refused to believe it, as my own father later admitted that he hadn’t when he first heard. The student later admitted to me that he found out I wasn’t joking

There had been a report that Vice-President Lyndon Johnson had been hit also and in that case, if it had been fatal, newly elected Speaker of the House John W. McCormack would have succeeded to the presidency. Kennedy’s death was at 12PM CST and as the day continued Johnson’s inauguration was confirmed, we all braced ourselves for the reality. Johnson was not trusted by most of us.

My parents were registered Democrats but had been v****g Republican in every e******n after 1932. My father was a union electrician in New York City, The International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers, Local Union #three, one of the most powerful in the country. When he saw what Franklin D. Roosevelt was doing to the country with his f*****t New Deal , they started v****g Republican.

They had been avid McCarthyites and in the 1960 p**********l campaign backed Richard Nixon over John Kennedy. Our area of northeastern Queens strongly backed Nixon but once Kennedy became president, our attitude was that he was the president and we backed him. We were all shocked at his assassination.

Everyone began speculating as to who could have been responsible. We all asked cui bono; who benefits? The obvious immediate beneficiary was Lyndon B. Johnson whom Kennedy had defeated in 1960 for the nomination & who then succeeded to the presidency that he so desperately coveted.

Shortly after, the arrest of suspect Lee Harvey Oswald was announced, it quickly became known that he had defected to the Soviet Union because of his c*******t beliefs but had returned to The United States with his wife, Marina. That seemed to confirm the student’s suspicions. The Left was dejected.

When Oswald himself was shot to death by bar club owner Jack Ruby, the Left had a bit of a reprieve but then it turned out that gangsters and other questionable characters had been guests at his club but it had not been a hangout for conservatives. The Left was despondent.

A fellow dorm floor resident was a committed l*****t. He ran up & down the hallway calling out, I hope it’s a conservative (who’d shot Oswald) as the news broke. Then, as now, the Left viewed all events, including the worst human tragedies, as opportunities. And, also, then as now, the Left needed ‘dangerous right wing extremism,’ as a goat onto which to hang all repugnant human behavior.

The American Left could not deny that Oswald was one of them. Worse, further details emerged that the KGB had interviewed Oswald extensively during his stay in the Soviet Union and dismissed him as unbalanced and unreliable. He was a weirdo.

They couldn’t deny that he continued to be active in L*****t causes in America. In those activities, he attracted the attention of various American security operatives. Given Oswald’s history, it would be surprising if he hadn’t and it would be surprising if that attention didn’t include personal interaction.

It was some of those interactions that provided fertile ground for the progressive conspir****ts to sow their theories and if they hadn’t happened, the Left would have used that to sow other theories. They had to find something to tie the assassination to those dangerous right wing extremists.

It didn’t take them too long. Not long after the assassination, there was a book (I forget the name of it but I saw it advertised in The Sunday New York Times Book Review) with the theme that it could only have happened in Dallas, the home of right wing hatred.

Unfortunately, that didn’t comport with the fact that films of the car procession through Dallas streets showed cheering throngs lined up to see Kennedy. The very last thing JFK heard, may have been Texas Gov. John Connally’s wife, Nellie, saying to him, "You can’t say Dallas doesn’t love you, Mr. President.” Connally and his wife were seated in the car with Kennedy.

For his part, Oswald had also taken rifle shots at former Maj. Gen. Edwin Walker as he sat in his home in Dallas, just seven months before the assassination. They’d missed but Walker was an avowed right winger; a member of The John Birch Society, a segregationist and a w***e s*********t. The Left needed someone other than Oswald.

Enter Joachim Joester. Joester combed the data for non-c*******ts to blame for it. He had been a member of The German C*******t Party and Merlin Press, a left wing publisher.

They were perfect for the job. Joester advanced the theory that if Oswald were a c*******t, he couldn’t have done it and if he did it, he wasn’t a c*******t. This bit of circular reasoning met its deserved fate of neglect.

The Warren Commission report came out later in September 1964. It concluded that Oswald was the sole gunman and that there was no conspiracy to assassinate him. The Left was again aghast and again knew that they were under the gun to do something. Mark Lane to the rescue.

Mark Lane was an attorney, a former Democratic New York State legislator, active in left wing causes. According to Wikipdeia, ‘as a law student, Lane was the administrative assistant to the National Lawyers Guild and orchestrated a fund-raising event at Town Hall in New York City that featured American folk singer Pete Seeger.’

The National Lawyers Guild was and & is a far left organization and Seeger was a c*******t sympathizer, active in every possible l*****t cause until his death; if there was a pro-Soviet or c*******t cause or an anti-American cause, Pete Seeger was there. It was only at the very end of his life that he renounced the crimes of Josip Stalin.

After his admission to the bar, Lane established a reputation as a defender of the poor and oppressed. His partner, Seymour Ostrow had a dim view of him as a publicity hound.

Lane had been elected to the New York Assembly in 1960 with the endorsement of Eleanor Roosevelt, the prominent widow of Franklin D. Roosevelt & John F. Kennedy. I just found out about that & wondered if Kennedy’s endorsement was some kind of a payoff to Eleanor to relent in her efforts to block the Liberal Party’s endorsement of him for president.

The Kennedys were allies of Joseph McCarthy in his campaign to get c*******ts out of the government. Many of those c*******ts had been welcomed & even shepherded into government by the FDR White House. They were held over during the Truman administration into the Eisenhower years. Eleanor was incensed about that. She was an admirer of c*******ts and an advocate for Joseph Stalin before, during and after the War.

Further, Papa Joe Kennedy and FDR were frequently at loggerheads over the war in Europe. Kennedy wanted hands off and saw through FDR’s facade as he publically espoused peace & behind the scenes did everything he could to provoke Hitler into attacking America.

By 1960, JFK was well on his campaign for president. Eleanor held great sway in the Democratic and Liberal Parties of New York. The Liberal Party had been founded by socialist Democrats to be a l*****t influence on New York’s politics.

It almost automatically endorsed Democrats and in many e******ns provided the margin of victory. If Kennedy didn’t get the Liberal endorsement, he might not carry New York and could lose the nationwide e******n. Lanes was very liberal and not likely to have otherwise gained Kennedy’s support. Was the endorsement part of a deal to buy the Liberal Party nomination?

Lane published his book, Rush to Judgement in August 1966. It is the most famous of the long line of books that questioned the findings of The Commission.

I have read numerous extracts of many books and articles dissecting the Commission’s findings and questioning them. (I admit that I have never read one of the books completely but many of the articles thoroughly.) They often focus on contradicting testimony from witnesses.

A problem with that, as with all crimes, is that there are almost always contradictions among eyewitnesses. There is often disagreement as to a person’s height, weight, hair color, what colors tie the suspect was wearing and even his race. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable. A large group agreeing is necessary.

Much was made of the failure of the Commission’s team of marksmen being unable to duplicate Oswald’s shooting feat from his nest on the fifth floor of that Texas Book depository. I have seen a film of the view from the window of a car similar to Kennedy’s P**********l limousine, going at the approximate speed that day. I do not know how those experts qualified but it did not impress me as a particularly difficult shot. (I qualified as an expert marksman with an M-16 in the National Guard.)

The book spent 29 weeks on The New York Times bestseller list and added considerably to Lane’s wealth. He was in high demand for speeches and interviews which, you can be sure, gratified him.

Lane later defended Jim Jones and his Peoples Temple in San Francisco; socialist autocrats & weirdos were always darlings of the Left. He was in Jonestown Guyana, in November 1978 at the time of the visit by Cong. Leo Ryan and the forced ingestion of cyanide laced Kool-Aid that k**led those hundreds of Jones’ followers who’d migrated with him.

A point of contention has been that the three pathologists who performed Kennedy’s autopsy were anatomic, not forensic pathologists. Anatomic & forensic pathologists are both trained to determine the causes of deaths but forensic pathologists are trained to also assign guilt. They all agreed that the bullet that passed through Kennedy’s skull blew his brain out the right side of his head was the one that k**led him.

Contrary to subsequent speculation, they were unanimous in their conclusion that the bullet came from behind him. The fatal entry wound was measured as 15 mm. X 6 mm. and as it passed through his head, it tore away the right side of his skull.

Much has been made of the fact that Kennedy’s body went into extension after the bullets hit him. Skeptics maintain that indicates the fatal bullet came from his front, the famous grassy knoll.

But generations of war reels have often shown bodies going into extension after being struck by bullets from the front and back. It can be explained by massive autonomic nervous system discharge upon trauma.

Please note, my purpose has not been to dismiss all claims of a conspiracy to assassinate John F. Kennedy. I do not know enough about it to claim much more than passing knowledge of it. ( I do believe there is a possibility that there was one but I believe the Warren Commission got it right.) What I am trying to show is the need of the American Left to find a roughly conservative or right wing scapegoat to blame for it.

Over the years, several suspects have been named as possibly involved. Chicago Mafia Capo Sam Giancana, and the CIA have been among the most frequently cited. Giancana and the Mafia were named as angry that they had swung some unions to back Kennedy in the e******n and then, Robert Kennedy, as Attorney General, had double-crossed them by initiating an investigation and prosecution of organized crime. That’s possible but I think they’d be more likely to be peripherally, not centrally, involved.

As far as CIA involvement, I have read some highly plausible scenarios and motives for it. Certainly, there is the possibility that CIA would have been involved in a such a conspiracy, if Kennedy had really sworn to destroy it but the accuracy of that quote has been called into question. The recent release of many remaining papers, although redacted heavily, did show much concern by the CIA with the assassination but it seems to be that the CIA was fearful of being held to blame for not focusing more on Oswald.

There can be no doubt that the FBI dropped the ball on this. They should have had constant surveillance of him as soon as he returned to The United States, especially after his known trip to the Cuban embassy in Mexico City.

I believe that too little attention has been paid to Oswald’s Mexico trip by conspir****ts. When you consider his sojourn in the Soviet Union, the trip to Mexico City, his involvement in pro-Castro activities, and all other facts, a L*****t conspiracy as revenge, is far more likely. Historically, the Left has been for more dangerous, violent and blood thirsty than the Right.

Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio

Oswald’s Mexico trip was not Oswald.
It was a short guy with dark hair.
Much of what you’ve written has been dispelled.
COPA 1978 has agreed there was more than one shooter. Hence the bullet hole through the windshield.
Oswald never fired a weapon.
Until he was dead on a slab at the morgue.
Previously, the gun was searched for prints .
By Dallas PD , they found none. It was sent to FBI HEADQUARTERS, nope no prints sent back to Dallas and checked again.
No prints until Oswald was on the slab.
There is a ton of info out there.the facts put forward in the movie JFK By Oliver stone covers many. But there are so many inconsistencies, nuances , anomalies,
It’s difficult to decipher .
I see lately Beschloss is going with Oswald did it. He didn’t . The Warren report was filled with lies. From the Warren Commission. A cadre made up of JFK H**ers.
Mainly the Dulles Brothers. One who was shut down by Kennedy and fired over the Bay of Pigs.
And the other was the Mayor of Dallas.
There’s a ton of info that some would like to ignore to save their own narrative.
Most people by now have formed opinions about who was responsible and
Who wasn’t !
Oswald was exactly what he said he was,
A Patsy !
Why can’t we find any check stubs from who was paying him ?
James Files already confessed to shooting Kennedy. From the Grassy Knoll. He told them exactly where he put the casing in the fence after he put his teeth marks into it.
Russ Baker - esteemed Investigative Journalist has done extensive work on this .
You can contact him and his work at
Who what why.org

crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island

I expected nothing better from you. Most of what you have printed has been dispelled.

As I wrote, you L*****ts had to have a right wing patsy. The autopsy was by three pathologists. That's just for starters.

Oliver Stone is a fantastic fantasist. You're a perfect person to believe him.

Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio

Why would you believe the government you claim to h**e ?
Oliver Stone based the movie on a book written and researched by Jim Garrison.
A New Orleans judge.
Painstakingly researched. At one point his house was broken into and his research was stolen. I wonder by who?
You appear to be farther behind in your investigation than the rest of us.
Did you know that Oswald was also working for Hoover?
There are so many things that you apparent Don’t know , it’s almost painful to listen to you.
Did you know the CIA had an office in the Book Depository ? How about Demorenshildt
How about the players from there ?
Or that Oswald could walk across the street to FBI headquarters from the office he was handing out leaflets for Cuba. Which he did often .
You should read JFK .
You might be enlightened if you can get
past everything not you is a lie.

This Assassination had nothing to do with right or left wing. This is spin from the right , I’m guessing.
The forces involved were not political.
As right or left.

crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island

You're just demonstrating my point, and you don't even realize it. There are many theories about it but the one examined by few is the possibility of a KGB-Cuba connection. The blinded Left has suppressed it for their own protection. It is at least as probable as the alternative raised by Garrison & Stone. Casual students, among whom I number myself, have all been made aware, ad nauseum, of all those details by liberals, such as you, to deflect from the possibility of probing that connection.

Jim Garrison was a sycophant out of Louisiana, one of the two most corrupt states in the union. (I lived most of my life in the other one, Rhode Island, where the joke was that the economy was so bad, the Mafia had to lay off three judges.)

Try this one on for size; Milosia2, did you or anyone else of your ilk know that Louisiana is the only state in the union that follows the Napoleonic legal system where it is very easy to get an indictment? At the time, many reacted to the indictment of Clay Shaw, with the observation that it could only be obtained in Louisiana on the evidence presented.

Personally, I was very surprised that Kevin Costner would do that role in that movie but as far as Oliver Stone goes, he has always functioned in that Hollywood liberal Fantasy World. Only recently has he ventured into reality & his stock has declined with it.

You should be nominated for a Ted Kennedy Justice Award for your last paragraph or send it to Saturday Night Live. Talk about spin from the Right, what about spin from the Left?

Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio

Clay Shaw was person of interest.
He was seen with a rifle at the opposite end of Oswald’s nest .
And 2 rifles were found .
The other was a 7mm Mag.
These are facts . You can watch them take this rifle out of the boxes. It’s been documented.
There is a plethora of info that Warren commission wants ignored.
When they tell you this or that was dispelled, this your clue to take a closer look.
Like why did the CIA order 28 windshields
For the P**********l Lincoln , Before the Assassination ?
What were they trying to figure out ?
The weapon used to penetrate the windshield was an un-released prototype
Of a 222.Fireball .
According to the shooters testimony.
James Files has confessed to k*****g JFK .
From the grassy knoll .

crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island

Take a look at the mock trial with Gerry Spence, the famed defense attorney for Oswald that found Oswald guilty.

And wh**ever you hold as an alternative theory because the Warren Commission doesn't meet a certain level of proof, yours has to at least equal it or exceed it. You get hoisted on your own petard.

That indictment of Shaw was on the level of the joke that criminal defense attorneys have about indicting a ham sandwich.

Your end of the spectrum is the very one that waxes outraged at how easily minorities get railroaded in the American justice system.

nonalien1 Loc: Mojave Desert

It was the same bunch that pulled off the Watergate burglary. Nixon refurred to it in The Pentagon Papers They confessed as well K*****g a president is always political. One reason there is still classified documents on the assassination is to protect the Bush family. This is just my personal opinion. The CIA knew Oswald worked for Hoover. They used it against him.

Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio

Why oh why does the bush crime family need to be protected ?
Why were they in Dallas on that day standing in front of the Daltex building.?
Why did poppy bush call the FBI supposedly with info on who may have shot Kennedy? He called identified himself as GHWBush.
And the Said he was never there .
Who gave the order to not use the protection bubble for the Limo ?
So much was plain out ignored to save the Warren comm Narrative.
Signed affidavits were reprinted and re signed.
Witness wound up floating in the bay.
And this. The Dallas police caught 4 hobos in the train yard .
They were interviewed for 12 hours
Dallas police never got their names. And let them go.
The 4 had striking resemblance to haldeman erlichman and G Gordon liddy .and one other. Woodward maybe.
Yes it was actually political . But not as a matter of left or right .
This ensconced a grand plan of changing the entire course of the country.
Above and beyond left or right.
But more right than left.
More Poppy bush than not .

Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio

Hoisted on my own petard ???
Do you have any idea what that means.?
Do you even know what a petard is ?

crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island

It's a saying. And yes, I do know what it means. I suspect my vocabulary is at least the equal of yours.

It's your end of the spectrum that continued to peddle the Russian Collusion H**x after it had failed to be upheld in three separate investigations.

crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island

Those wee my immediate reaction.

I still stand by my assertion that the possibility of a KGB-Cuba connection had not been adequately addressed.

Further, ANY proposed alternative to the Warren Commission findings because it does not meet a certain level of certainty must, at least, meet that level.

nonalien1 Loc: Mojave Desert

Yup