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Again, What Exactly Is There To Negotiate On The Debt Ceiling?
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Jan 28, 2023 19:27:39   #
LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago
 
woodguru wrote:
The ceiling is an irrelevant marker, what you are saying is that no budget should ever be more than revenues coming in...easily fixed by putting taxes back to where they were when Bush cut them, close special interest loopholes, stop allowing corporations making billions to pay no taxes, aggressively go after tax c***ters, make the penalties hurt bad enough it isn't worth doing...

set caps on drug profits by ending their value based pricing system, regulate gasoline prices by using profits as a bench mark.

The debt ceiling has nothing to do with what congress agrees to spend...
The ceiling is an irrelevant marker, what you are ... (show quote)


***The debt ceiling has nothing to do with what congress agrees to spend...
>>>Your delusional. If they quit spending money we don't have, we won't hit the debt ceiling.

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Jan 28, 2023 19:28:42   #
LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago
 
woodguru wrote:
You are incapable of understanding logic, as usual


I don't understand l*****t logic because it isn't logical. Like you.

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Jan 28, 2023 19:45:05   #
LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago
 
woodguru wrote:
You used an incorrect example...

say a family has a set income...it is less than goes out

expenses critical to the family are...
...food
...healthcare
...house payment
...utilities
...insurances on house, boat, and cars
these are things you are not going to cut

...they have two cars, one is a fancy BMW that has a large lease payment, the other is a mercedes
...they budget the money for going out to a restaurant every week, at a cost exceeding $700 a month
...they go to see movies, at a cost of almost a hundred dollars.
...they have a boat they use during the summer

Never in a million years would anyone cut their income as part of a financial plan, in fact it would be time to start looking at increasing revenue.

Never would you cut your healthcare system, insurances, or the bulk of the utilities that are what they are.

Never would you see yourself in trouble and cut the necessary things you need, downsizing cars would be on the table, getting rid of the boat, restaurants and movies.
You used an incorrect example... br br say a fami... (show quote)


Try rereading. You are apparently incapable of understanding anything the first time through. ***downsizing cars would be on the table, getting rid of the boat, restaurants and movies. >>>That is essentially what I said. But the democrats won't quit spending for things we don't need and inventing new things to spend money on. Money we don't have. So, back to the original premise. There are things that are negotiable. And that fool biden needs to get off his dead ass and get his brains out of his ass and sit down and negotiate. He doesn't have the thinest of majorities to jam unreasonable destructive things down onto Americans anymore. WTFU.

He might try cutting off the money machine to Ukraine. We don't need to continually send billions to the most cooperate government in Europe so NATO can stage their proxy war with Russia. >>>There's your Mercedes.
He could finish that border wall and cut off the flow of i******s into America at the cost of billions of dollars that belong to American's, including for those i******s massive welfare. >>>There's your BMW.
He could agree to defund all of the boondoggle pork he wrongly agreed to fund. >>>There's your boat. WTFU

Logically Right

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Jan 28, 2023 19:48:55   #
LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago
 
woodguru wrote:
Spot on, the GOA has done the work on medicare fraud, they have identified billions of dollars that can be save through oversight that congress (GOP) has refused to allow

It has been estimated that aggressive IRS oversight and enforcement can generate $800 Billion dollars...again republicans will not support simply going after tax c***ters and fraud even when it has been promised to be on those making more than $400k (not working class people)

Tax cuts (recent) are costing as much as $400 Billion a year, more if we rolled back to pre Bush cut levels, add the elimination of special interest loopholes and giveaways, more...add a ceiling to the mortgage interest write off so something reasonable like $700k and it's more.

We could operate on a balanced budget if not surplus by going after reasonable tax reforms and IRS oversight on fraud.
Spot on, the GOA has done the work on medicare fra... (show quote)


***add a ceiling to the mortgage interest write off so something reasonable like $700k and it's more.
>>>Better. Just eliminate that bull s**t.

***We could operate on a balanced budget if not surplus by going after reasonable tax reforms and IRS oversight on fraud.
>>>Why don't you ever consider eliminating the wasteful spending in the first place. You backed democrat pork in biden's massive spending bills.

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Jan 28, 2023 19:51:05   #
LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago
 
woodguru wrote:
Raise taxes on the wealthy to pay off the debt...it's not even raising them, it's putting them back where they should be.


***Raise taxes on the wealthy to pay off the debt...it's not even raising them, it's putting them back where they should be.
>>>Again, raise the taxes on those that are already paying almost all of the taxes. Steal from the rich. WTFU. It just gets passed down to those that can't afford it.

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Jan 28, 2023 19:51:38   #
LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago
 
MidnightRider wrote:
The Paris Accord is a slush fund, yet we are paying into it. STOP! There should be no C*****e c****e programs it's a damn h**x, but Biden won't listen to scientists. Greta Thunberg and other perverted ones even though Greta admitted it was all for power and money much like AOC did years ago.


Agreed.

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Jan 29, 2023 01:38:45   #
America 1 Loc: South Miami
 
[quote=woodguru]It does we pay the debts that you as congress committed to.

If congress spends more let's take the amount from their paychecks for however long it takes.
This overspending would screech to a halt.

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Jan 29, 2023 11:28:52   #
Justice101
 
LogicallyRight wrote:
***Raise taxes on the wealthy to pay off the debt...it's not even raising them, it's putting them back where they should be.
>>>Again, raise the taxes on those that are already paying almost all of the taxes. Steal from the rich. WTFU. It just gets passed down to those that can't afford it.


"The trouble with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money."-Margaret Thatcher

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Jan 29, 2023 11:45:40   #
Rose42
 
JR-57 wrote:
The ceiling should not be raised. Instead, our government needs to practice fiscal responsibility and operate within a balanced budget including debt reduction.


That is the obvious way to go but our congress critters are good at avoiding being responsible. Where did this moronic idea come from that raising taxes on the wealthy would help that much I wonder.

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Jan 29, 2023 11:58:05   #
JR-57 Loc: South Carolina
 
Rose42 wrote:
That is the obvious way to go but our congress critters are good at avoiding being responsible. Where did this moronic idea come from that raising taxes on the wealthy would help that much I wonder.

I believe its roots are based in Karl Marx and has been used for decades to divide the U.S. with class envy.

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Jan 30, 2023 17:29:01   #
Ronald Hatt Loc: Lansing, Mich
 
woodguru wrote:
It's do we pay the debts that you as congress committed to...if you don't like it go after social security or medicare in a well debated and structured plan. Of course republicans have no plan or ability to make such a highly toxic and unpopular thing happen.

Raising taxes should be Democrats response and answer to the budget deficit and debt ceiling, lower the deficit and the debt ceiling isn't hit nearly as often. Generate enough taxes from the wealthy, go after tax c***ts, go after medicare fraud that we know is taking place and the deficit could be balanced...republicans never quit about entitlements, dems should never quit about tax reforms.
It's do we pay the debts that you as congress comm... (show quote)


KEEP SCREWING THE "WEALTHY", & WATCH JOBS, GO BACK TO ASIA, ET AL!

WHEN ARE DEMONCRATS GOING TO LEARN: Work for what you want, & pay taxes on what you earn!
work hard, be honest, help your neighbor, as you are able!

Things go better with GOD!

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Jan 31, 2023 14:13:23   #
TruePatriot49 Loc: The Democratic People's Republic Rhode Island
 
Justice101 wrote:
Right now we are only making payments going towards the interest only on the debt. There are several ways to cut spending that don't involve SS, Medicare or Medicaid. They need to be more efficient in discovering and eliminating the fraud in these programs that drive medical care costs up for everyone.


Just STOP all foreign aid and we would save billions of dollars. Right now the USA is borrowing money to give it away as foreign aid. Not real smart IMHO.

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Jan 31, 2023 14:35:09   #
Justice101
 
TruePatriot49 wrote:
Just STOP all foreign aid and we would save billions of dollars. Right now the USA is borrowing money to give it away as foreign aid. Not real smart IMHO.


That's a GREAT IDEA! Call McCarthy. He's the one negotiating with Brain-dead Biden tomorrow over this. I'm sure there will be more than one day of negotiations.

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Jan 31, 2023 14:39:25   #
336Robin Loc: North Carolina
 
woodguru wrote:
It's do we pay the debts that you as congress committed to...if you don't like it go after social security or medicare in a well debated and structured plan. Of course republicans have no plan or ability to make such a highly toxic and unpopular thing happen.

Raising taxes should be Democrats response and answer to the budget deficit and debt ceiling, lower the deficit and the debt ceiling isn't hit nearly as often. Generate enough taxes from the wealthy, go after tax c***ts, go after medicare fraud that we know is taking place and the deficit could be balanced...republicans never quit about entitlements, dems should never quit about tax reforms.
It's do we pay the debts that you as congress comm... (show quote)


Republicans are always do as I say not as I do when it comes to money.

The debt ceiling is no problem when they are in power. This is only a tool when they aren't but they had
best be careful sinking peoples 401k's and destroying the market because that is what they are playing with
and trying to use as a reason to do what they want.

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Jan 31, 2023 14:42:26   #
JR-57 Loc: South Carolina
 
Justice101 wrote:
That's a GREAT IDEA! Call McCarthy. He's the one negotiating with Brain-dead Biden tomorrow over this. I'm sure there will be more than one day of negotiations.

It’s all political theatre.

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