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Jan 24, 2023 22:43:22   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Parky60 wrote:
And another thing I keep forgetting is that your education is your idol.


That had nothing to do with education...
Four year olds can form complete sentences...
Although, your lack of education might be a stumbling block for you...

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Jan 24, 2023 22:45:42   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
That had nothing to do with education...
Four year olds can form complete sentences...
Although, your lack of education might be a stumbling block for you...

So, what is your idol then, your charming personality?

I have two bachelor's degrees.

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Jan 24, 2023 22:56:50   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Parky60 wrote:
The most unpopular subject that people don’t want to hear about is hell. Yet the Bible has almost as much to say about it as any other subject. It cannot be ignored even though it makes people uncomfortable.

The word hell is used in thousands of conversations in hundreds of different ways every day.

Some people use it in swearing.

Others use it to describe their lives.

An alcoholic may say that he is enduring a living hell. An abused woman may say that her home is a hell on Earth.

But in the church, the doctrine of hell is not only unpopular, it is almost forgotten. And if you still happen to attend church regularly, you’ll probably find that there have not been many sermons on this subject in recent years.

Because it has not been preached, few people seem to believe in hell anymore. And there are many numbers of ministers that have never preached a sermon on hell.

Yet, as I read the New Testament, I find again and again direct references to this subject, and most of them are made by Jesus Christ.

Perhaps because some people associate hell with a kind of outmoded theology in which the devil is pictured as a fire-engine-red creature with a fork, tail, split hoofs and horns, we cannot imagine anyone taking the subject seriously.

But I must remind you, with all the earnestness of my soul, that the same Bible that tells us about the love of God and the beauties of Heaven also tells us about judgment and hell.

There is only one person who was ever qualified to speak authoritatively of the future life, and that is Jesus Christ. Read in the New Testament some of the statements that Christ made about this place called hell:

“Do not fear those who k**l the body but cannot k**l the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell” (Matthew 10:28).

Jesus used every descriptive word at His command to warn people to flee the wrath of God that will fall upon sinners who reject God’s plan of salvation.

Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels’ (Matthew 25:41).

I have heard some people say that they live by the Sermon on the Mount, and therefore they do not believe in hell. But listen to what Christ had to say in that sermon: “Whosoever says [to his brother], ‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of hell fire” (Matthew 5:22).

There are many similar utterances which fell from the lips of our Lord in which He emphasized the fact that people should avoid hell at all cost.

There are four words that have been t***slated hell in our Bible. One word is sheol, which in the Old Testament is t***slated a number of times as hell. It means an unseen state—a shadowy underworld. Words of sorrow, pain and destruction are used in connection with it.

The second word is hades, which is t***slated from the Greek and is used 10 times in the New Testament. It means the same as the Hebrew word sheol in the Old Testament. Judgment and suffering are always connected with it.

The third word is tartarus, used only once, in 2 Peter 2:4, where it says that disobedient angels are cast into tartarus. It indicates a place of judgment such as a prison or dungeon where there is intense darkness.

The fourth word is gehenna, used 12 times in the New Testament and t***slated as hell. It is the illustration that Jesus used of the valley of Hinnom, a place outside Jerusalem where rubbish and debris burned continually.

No one can read the Bible without recognizing that “the wages of sin is death” (Romans 6:23). No one can read the Bible even casually without realizing that there is a day of reckoning and judgment coming. No one can read the Bible without recognizing that there is a hell.

We fashion our earthly hells out of the passions, the selfishness and the sin that floods into our lives. There is always plenty of material for the fabrication of a hell on Earth, and many of us have made one from which we cannot extricate ourselves.

However, the Bible indicates not only that there can be a hell of our own making on Earth, but that there is a hell in the future, toward which everyone who rejects Christ is going.

Many people ask, “Why should this doctrine, which seems irrelevant to many in this modern age, be brought to our attention? Why should we give it any consideration? Why should we warn people to flee from it?”

First, we should shun hell because of God’s warnings concerning it. God does not waste time in idle chatter. He makes every word count, and we do well to heed His tender, loving warnings.

His Word says, “For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly … the Lord knows how … to reserve the unjust under punishment for the day of judgment” (2 Peter 2:4-5, 9).

Second, we should shun hell because of Christ’s estimate of it. He called it “everlasting punishment.” He called it “outer darkness,” where there will be weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth.

He called it “a furnace of fire.” He called it “a place prepared for the devil and his angels.” He called it a place “where their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched.”

He told us that it is a place where we have consciousness and the use of our faculties. In the story of Lazarus (Luke 16:19-31), Christ said the rich man in hades lifted up his eyes—he had vision. He was in agony, being in torment.

He had the faculty of speech; he cried and said, “Father Abraham, have mercy on me” (Luke 16:24). He had memories; he said, “I have five brothers … testify to them, lest they come to this place of torment” (Luke 16:28). These are Jesus’ words, not mine. I make no attempt to explain them away.

Christ has told us enough for us to know that hell is a place to be shunned. He considered it so awful in its darkness, its separation and its agony that He spoke at length, both to the multitudes, and to His disciples, about its terrors.

He told men to flee from it, to pluck out an offending eye, if need be. “It is better,” He said, “for you to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire” (Mark 9:47).

Jesus used every descriptive word at His command to warn people to flee the wrath of God that will fall upon sinners who reject God’s plan of salvation.

Third, we should shun hell because of what it cost God to save us from it. Heaven would not have sacrificed her Royal Prince, God would not have given His only Son, and Christ would not have willingly died on the cross, if the penalty facing mankind had been a light one. God so loved us that He gave His only Son to die in our place in order to save us from the judgment of our sin.

Finally, we should shun hell because God did not create man for it. Hell was created primarily for the devil and his angels. But if you insist on rejecting Christ, then you are destined to spend eternity with the devil and his angels.

Essentially and basically, hell is separation from God. It is “the second death,” which is described as banishment from the presence of all that is joyous, good, righteous and happy.

The Bible has other fearful descriptions concerning the awful condition in which the soul without Christ will find itself after death, yet people will prepare for everything except death.

We prepare for education; we prepare for business; we prepare for our careers; we prepare for marriage; we prepare for old age; we prepare for everything except the moment we are to die. But the Bible says, “It is appointed for men to die once” (Hebrews 9:27).

Everyone would like to ignore death, but everyone must face it—the king and the peasant, the fool and the philosopher, the murderer and the saint. Death knows no age limit or partiality.

And after death, there is an appointment with God on the judgment day, and all who have deliberately ignored God during their lifetime will be banished from His presence.

If you are out of Christ and away from God now, in many ways you are in hell; for hell is separation from God.

We were not made for sin. We were not made for bondage. We were made for life, for joy, for peace, for happiness, for love, for Heaven and for God. Christ is the way. He is the t***h. He is the life. “He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life” (John 3:36).

Renounce your sin. Repent of your sins and receive Christ as your Lord and Savior. At this moment surrender yourself to Him. Let Jesus into your life. Give Him your heart and your devotion.

If you are not sure where you stand with Almighty God, you can be sure today. First, confess your sin and turn away from it. Second, receive Jesus as your Lord and Savior, putting your faith in Him alone to save you. You can do that right now. He promises to live in you and t***sform your life. You can have a new life, a new beginning, if you will surrender to Christ.

START BY SIMPLY TALKING TO GOD.

You can pray a prayer like this:

“Dear God, I know that I am a sinner. I’m sorry for my sin. I want to turn from my sin. Please forgive me. I believe Jesus Christ is Your Son; I believe He died on the cross for my sin and You raised Him to life. I want Him to come into my heart and take control of my life. I want to trust Jesus as my Savior and follow Him as my Lord from this day forward. In Jesus’ Name. Amen.”

DO IT RIGHT NOW!
The most unpopular subject that people don’t want ... (show quote)
There is a section of this forum for preaching, Parky.

"Fear not those who can k**l the body but not the soul,
fear Him who can k**l both the body and the soul in Gehenna."

Matthew 10: 28

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Jan 24, 2023 23:02:35   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Parky60 wrote:
So, what is your idol then, your charming personality?

I have two bachelor's degrees.


My faith lies in God..
Don't have an idol ...
Sort of a fan of Anthony Hopkins...But I wouldn't call him an idol...

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Jan 25, 2023 07:25:50   #
Alan Finch
 
Let's talk about what JESUS promised. In John 12:32, JESUS promised that He is going to draw All people to Himself.

Colossians 1:20 tell us that the death of Christ on the Cross was God’s means of reconciling to Himself the whole creation, ALL things in heaven and ALL things on earth.”

Isaiah 45:23, Philippines 2:10-11, Revelation 5:13 tells us that every knee shall bow and confess that JESUS is Lord. The meaning of these verses goes even deeper in telling us that every individual will swear their allegiance to the Lord.

If people are going to spend eternity burning in a Lake of Fire, they certainly are not going to confess that JESUS is Lord and sweat their allegiance to Him.

JESUS often used metaphors in His teachings. Once we understand this, then it become clear that Hell and the Lake of Fire are simply metaphors.

I would like to share God’s promise to us, His creation.

The “GOOD NEWS OF THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST” can best be summed up in the words of JESUS when He made the “GREATEST PROMISE EVER,” which is that He will draw ALL people unto Himself. (John 12:32)

My name is Alan Finch. JESUS became my Lord and Saviour in April of 1976.

I spent several years diligently searching the Scriptures to uncover what really made Biblical sense in regards to God's true message to us of what really is “The Good News of the Gospel of Christ” which I did not properly understand for most of my many years as a Christian.

My 1st 38 years as a Christian, I believed the unscriptural teaching about that there is going to be eternal torment for multitudes and multitudes of people. I then began to seriously question that teaching. I then decided to do an in-depth study of the Bible concerning this issue, and the Scriptures revealed to me that I had believed a horrible lie for all those years.

The Lake of Fire is not a physical Lake of Fire, but is a metaphor for a Spiritual Lake of Fire from God’s Spirit for the purpose of “RESTORATION.” God is a God of “ETERNAL RESTORATION,” not a God of “eternal destruction.”

In Acts 3:21 God promises that there shall be a “RESTORATION” of ALL things! What is there not to understand about this wonderful promise that God has made to us?

The overall theme of the Bible is that God’s ultimate plan for ALL mankind is to restore, not destroy in an eternal Lake of Fire or eternal annihilation!

In John 12:32 JESUS clearly states that He is going to draw ALL people to Himself! Not a portion of mankind, but ALL of mankind.

In John 6:44 JESUS clearly states that nobody can come to Him except the Father draws that person to Him. For those who are true Christians, WE MUST NOT KID OURSELVES IN THE FACT THAT WE ONLY CAME TO JESUS BECAUSE GOD’S SPIRIT DREW US TO JESUS!

In the present time, and in the future, God has His own timing when He will draw each individual to Himself.

Addressing the issue of the belief in eternal annihilation, the Lord clearly tells us in Ecclesiastes 3:11 that He has planted eternity in our hearts. God has made us living Spirits. It is impossible for our Spirit to be destroyed.

GOD HAS NOT FAILED IN HIS ORIGINAL PLAN FOR ALL OF MANKIND WHICH DOES NOT INCLUDE ETERNAL TORMENT OR ETERNAL ANNIHILATION. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR GOD TO FAIL IN ANYTHING!

God worked out His plan in past Ages, God is working out His plan in the present Age that we are now living in, and God will work out His plan in future Ages to come.

I have spent the last several years in Biblically expounding in a 32 page document that I have put together on the t***h of there being no eternal suffering in a Lake of Fire for anyone. I have just explained the real LOVE of God that today’s Church just simply does not seem to grasp.

After spending several years of diving deep into the Scriptures to uncover the Biblical t***h on this subject, I would like to share these Biblical t***hs with others so that they can experience the same joy that I experienced which set me free from what I had previously believed for most of my life.

If anyone would be interested in a copy of my document, email me at: (candy33alan@aol.com), and I will email you a copy.

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Jan 25, 2023 07:40:52   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
My faith lies in God..
Don't have an idol ...
Sort of a fan of Anthony Hopkins...But I wouldn't call him an idol...

You have deluded yourself if you think that you don't have an idol. I've already told you it's your education.

And you sure are filled with p***e, the deadliest sin of all.

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Jan 25, 2023 07:47:39   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
There is a section of this forum for preaching, Parky.

"Fear not those who can k**l the body but not the soul,
fear Him who can k**l both the body and the soul in Gehenna."

Matthew 10: 28

Sorry Blade but I "must obey God rather than men." (Acts 5:29)

This just doesn't affect "religious" people in the Faith section but it affects EVERYONE.

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Jan 25, 2023 08:00:13   #
Dan the man
 
Parky60 wrote:
The most unpopular subject that people don’t want to hear about is hell. Yet the Bible has almost as much to say about it as any other subject. It cannot be ignored even though it makes people uncomfortable.

The word hell is used in thousands of conversations in hundreds of different ways every day.

Some people use it in swearing.

Others use it to describe their lives.

An alcoholic may say that he is enduring a living hell. An abused woman may say that her home is a hell on Earth.

But in the church, the doctrine of hell is not only unpopular, it is almost forgotten. And if you still happen to attend church regularly, you’ll probably find that there have not been many sermons on this subject in recent years.

Because it has not been preached, few people seem to believe in hell anymore. And there are many numbers of ministers that have never preached a sermon on hell.

Yet, as I read the New Testament, I find again and again direct references to this subject, and most of them are made by Jesus Christ.

Perhaps because some people associate hell with a kind of outmoded theology in which the devil is pictured as a fire-engine-red creature with a fork, tail, split hoofs and horns, we cannot imagine anyone taking the subject seriously.

But I must remind you, with all the earnestness of my soul, that the same Bible that tells us about the love of God and the beauties of Heaven also tells us about judgment and hell.

There is only one person who was ever qualified to speak authoritatively of the future life, and that is Jesus Christ. Read in the New Testament some of the statements that Christ made about this place called hell:

“Do not fear those who k**l the body but cannot k**l the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell” (Matthew 10:28).

Jesus used every descriptive word at His command to warn people to flee the wrath of God that will fall upon sinners who reject God’s plan of salvation.

Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels’ (Matthew 25:41).

I have heard some people say that they live by the Sermon on the Mount, and therefore they do not believe in hell. But listen to what Christ had to say in that sermon: “Whosoever says [to his brother], ‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of hell fire” (Matthew 5:22).

There are many similar utterances which fell from the lips of our Lord in which He emphasized the fact that people should avoid hell at all cost.

There are four words that have been t***slated hell in our Bible. One word is sheol, which in the Old Testament is t***slated a number of times as hell. It means an unseen state—a shadowy underworld. Words of sorrow, pain and destruction are used in connection with it.

The second word is hades, which is t***slated from the Greek and is used 10 times in the New Testament. It means the same as the Hebrew word sheol in the Old Testament. Judgment and suffering are always connected with it.

The third word is tartarus, used only once, in 2 Peter 2:4, where it says that disobedient angels are cast into tartarus. It indicates a place of judgment such as a prison or dungeon where there is intense darkness.

The fourth word is gehenna, used 12 times in the New Testament and t***slated as hell. It is the illustration that Jesus used of the valley of Hinnom, a place outside Jerusalem where rubbish and debris burned continually.

No one can read the Bible without recognizing that “the wages of sin is death” (Romans 6:23). No one can read the Bible even casually without realizing that there is a day of reckoning and judgment coming. No one can read the Bible without recognizing that there is a hell.

We fashion our earthly hells out of the passions, the selfishness and the sin that floods into our lives. There is always plenty of material for the fabrication of a hell on Earth, and many of us have made one from which we cannot extricate ourselves.

However, the Bible indicates not only that there can be a hell of our own making on Earth, but that there is a hell in the future, toward which everyone who rejects Christ is going.

Many people ask, “Why should this doctrine, which seems irrelevant to many in this modern age, be brought to our attention? Why should we give it any consideration? Why should we warn people to flee from it?”

First, we should shun hell because of God’s warnings concerning it. God does not waste time in idle chatter. He makes every word count, and we do well to heed His tender, loving warnings.

His Word says, “For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly … the Lord knows how … to reserve the unjust under punishment for the day of judgment” (2 Peter 2:4-5, 9).

Second, we should shun hell because of Christ’s estimate of it. He called it “everlasting punishment.” He called it “outer darkness,” where there will be weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth.

He called it “a furnace of fire.” He called it “a place prepared for the devil and his angels.” He called it a place “where their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched.”

He told us that it is a place where we have consciousness and the use of our faculties. In the story of Lazarus (Luke 16:19-31), Christ said the rich man in hades lifted up his eyes—he had vision. He was in agony, being in torment.

He had the faculty of speech; he cried and said, “Father Abraham, have mercy on me” (Luke 16:24). He had memories; he said, “I have five brothers … testify to them, lest they come to this place of torment” (Luke 16:28). These are Jesus’ words, not mine. I make no attempt to explain them away.

Christ has told us enough for us to know that hell is a place to be shunned. He considered it so awful in its darkness, its separation and its agony that He spoke at length, both to the multitudes, and to His disciples, about its terrors.

He told men to flee from it, to pluck out an offending eye, if need be. “It is better,” He said, “for you to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire” (Mark 9:47).

Jesus used every descriptive word at His command to warn people to flee the wrath of God that will fall upon sinners who reject God’s plan of salvation.

Third, we should shun hell because of what it cost God to save us from it. Heaven would not have sacrificed her Royal Prince, God would not have given His only Son, and Christ would not have willingly died on the cross, if the penalty facing mankind had been a light one. God so loved us that He gave His only Son to die in our place in order to save us from the judgment of our sin.

Finally, we should shun hell because God did not create man for it. Hell was created primarily for the devil and his angels. But if you insist on rejecting Christ, then you are destined to spend eternity with the devil and his angels.

Essentially and basically, hell is separation from God. It is “the second death,” which is described as banishment from the presence of all that is joyous, good, righteous and happy.

The Bible has other fearful descriptions concerning the awful condition in which the soul without Christ will find itself after death, yet people will prepare for everything except death.

We prepare for education; we prepare for business; we prepare for our careers; we prepare for marriage; we prepare for old age; we prepare for everything except the moment we are to die. But the Bible says, “It is appointed for men to die once” (Hebrews 9:27).

Everyone would like to ignore death, but everyone must face it—the king and the peasant, the fool and the philosopher, the murderer and the saint. Death knows no age limit or partiality.

And after death, there is an appointment with God on the judgment day, and all who have deliberately ignored God during their lifetime will be banished from His presence.

If you are out of Christ and away from God now, in many ways you are in hell; for hell is separation from God.

We were not made for sin. We were not made for bondage. We were made for life, for joy, for peace, for happiness, for love, for Heaven and for God. Christ is the way. He is the t***h. He is the life. “He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life” (John 3:36).

Renounce your sin. Repent of your sins and receive Christ as your Lord and Savior. At this moment surrender yourself to Him. Let Jesus into your life. Give Him your heart and your devotion.

If you are not sure where you stand with Almighty God, you can be sure today. First, confess your sin and turn away from it. Second, receive Jesus as your Lord and Savior, putting your faith in Him alone to save you. You can do that right now. He promises to live in you and t***sform your life. You can have a new life, a new beginning, if you will surrender to Christ.

START BY SIMPLY TALKING TO GOD.

You can pray a prayer like this:

“Dear God, I know that I am a sinner. I’m sorry for my sin. I want to turn from my sin. Please forgive me. I believe Jesus Christ is Your Son; I believe He died on the cross for my sin and You raised Him to life. I want Him to come into my heart and take control of my life. I want to trust Jesus as my Savior and follow Him as my Lord from this day forward. In Jesus’ Name. Amen.”

DO IT RIGHT NOW!
The most unpopular subject that people don’t want ... (show quote)


To easy , people think that if they accept Jesus,it's like
adding Santa to their list. Hell in modern terms will be
the next dimension we cross into if we don't accept Christ
as our savior .

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Jan 25, 2023 08:16:11   #
Big dog
 
Parky60 wrote:
The most unpopular subject that people don’t want to hear about is hell. Yet the Bible has almost as much to say about it as any other subject. It cannot be ignored even though it makes people uncomfortable.

The word hell is used in thousands of conversations in hundreds of different ways every day.

Some people use it in swearing.

Others use it to describe their lives.

An alcoholic may say that he is enduring a living hell. An abused woman may say that her home is a hell on Earth.

But in the church, the doctrine of hell is not only unpopular, it is almost forgotten. And if you still happen to attend church regularly, you’ll probably find that there have not been many sermons on this subject in recent years.

Because it has not been preached, few people seem to believe in hell anymore. And there are many numbers of ministers that have never preached a sermon on hell.

Yet, as I read the New Testament, I find again and again direct references to this subject, and most of them are made by Jesus Christ.

Perhaps because some people associate hell with a kind of outmoded theology in which the devil is pictured as a fire-engine-red creature with a fork, tail, split hoofs and horns, we cannot imagine anyone taking the subject seriously.

But I must remind you, with all the earnestness of my soul, that the same Bible that tells us about the love of God and the beauties of Heaven also tells us about judgment and hell.

There is only one person who was ever qualified to speak authoritatively of the future life, and that is Jesus Christ. Read in the New Testament some of the statements that Christ made about this place called hell:

“Do not fear those who k**l the body but cannot k**l the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell” (Matthew 10:28).

Jesus used every descriptive word at His command to warn people to flee the wrath of God that will fall upon sinners who reject God’s plan of salvation.

Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels’ (Matthew 25:41).

I have heard some people say that they live by the Sermon on the Mount, and therefore they do not believe in hell. But listen to what Christ had to say in that sermon: “Whosoever says [to his brother], ‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of hell fire” (Matthew 5:22).

There are many similar utterances which fell from the lips of our Lord in which He emphasized the fact that people should avoid hell at all cost.

There are four words that have been t***slated hell in our Bible. One word is sheol, which in the Old Testament is t***slated a number of times as hell. It means an unseen state—a shadowy underworld. Words of sorrow, pain and destruction are used in connection with it.

The second word is hades, which is t***slated from the Greek and is used 10 times in the New Testament. It means the same as the Hebrew word sheol in the Old Testament. Judgment and suffering are always connected with it.

The third word is tartarus, used only once, in 2 Peter 2:4, where it says that disobedient angels are cast into tartarus. It indicates a place of judgment such as a prison or dungeon where there is intense darkness.

The fourth word is gehenna, used 12 times in the New Testament and t***slated as hell. It is the illustration that Jesus used of the valley of Hinnom, a place outside Jerusalem where rubbish and debris burned continually.

No one can read the Bible without recognizing that “the wages of sin is death” (Romans 6:23). No one can read the Bible even casually without realizing that there is a day of reckoning and judgment coming. No one can read the Bible without recognizing that there is a hell.

We fashion our earthly hells out of the passions, the selfishness and the sin that floods into our lives. There is always plenty of material for the fabrication of a hell on Earth, and many of us have made one from which we cannot extricate ourselves.

However, the Bible indicates not only that there can be a hell of our own making on Earth, but that there is a hell in the future, toward which everyone who rejects Christ is going.

Many people ask, “Why should this doctrine, which seems irrelevant to many in this modern age, be brought to our attention? Why should we give it any consideration? Why should we warn people to flee from it?”

First, we should shun hell because of God’s warnings concerning it. God does not waste time in idle chatter. He makes every word count, and we do well to heed His tender, loving warnings.

His Word says, “For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly … the Lord knows how … to reserve the unjust under punishment for the day of judgment” (2 Peter 2:4-5, 9).

Second, we should shun hell because of Christ’s estimate of it. He called it “everlasting punishment.” He called it “outer darkness,” where there will be weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth.

He called it “a furnace of fire.” He called it “a place prepared for the devil and his angels.” He called it a place “where their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched.”

He told us that it is a place where we have consciousness and the use of our faculties. In the story of Lazarus (Luke 16:19-31), Christ said the rich man in hades lifted up his eyes—he had vision. He was in agony, being in torment.

He had the faculty of speech; he cried and said, “Father Abraham, have mercy on me” (Luke 16:24). He had memories; he said, “I have five brothers … testify to them, lest they come to this place of torment” (Luke 16:28). These are Jesus’ words, not mine. I make no attempt to explain them away.

Christ has told us enough for us to know that hell is a place to be shunned. He considered it so awful in its darkness, its separation and its agony that He spoke at length, both to the multitudes, and to His disciples, about its terrors.

He told men to flee from it, to pluck out an offending eye, if need be. “It is better,” He said, “for you to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire” (Mark 9:47).

Jesus used every descriptive word at His command to warn people to flee the wrath of God that will fall upon sinners who reject God’s plan of salvation.

Third, we should shun hell because of what it cost God to save us from it. Heaven would not have sacrificed her Royal Prince, God would not have given His only Son, and Christ would not have willingly died on the cross, if the penalty facing mankind had been a light one. God so loved us that He gave His only Son to die in our place in order to save us from the judgment of our sin.

Finally, we should shun hell because God did not create man for it. Hell was created primarily for the devil and his angels. But if you insist on rejecting Christ, then you are destined to spend eternity with the devil and his angels.

Essentially and basically, hell is separation from God. It is “the second death,” which is described as banishment from the presence of all that is joyous, good, righteous and happy.

The Bible has other fearful descriptions concerning the awful condition in which the soul without Christ will find itself after death, yet people will prepare for everything except death.

We prepare for education; we prepare for business; we prepare for our careers; we prepare for marriage; we prepare for old age; we prepare for everything except the moment we are to die. But the Bible says, “It is appointed for men to die once” (Hebrews 9:27).

Everyone would like to ignore death, but everyone must face it—the king and the peasant, the fool and the philosopher, the murderer and the saint. Death knows no age limit or partiality.

And after death, there is an appointment with God on the judgment day, and all who have deliberately ignored God during their lifetime will be banished from His presence.

If you are out of Christ and away from God now, in many ways you are in hell; for hell is separation from God.

We were not made for sin. We were not made for bondage. We were made for life, for joy, for peace, for happiness, for love, for Heaven and for God. Christ is the way. He is the t***h. He is the life. “He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life” (John 3:36).

Renounce your sin. Repent of your sins and receive Christ as your Lord and Savior. At this moment surrender yourself to Him. Let Jesus into your life. Give Him your heart and your devotion.

If you are not sure where you stand with Almighty God, you can be sure today. First, confess your sin and turn away from it. Second, receive Jesus as your Lord and Savior, putting your faith in Him alone to save you. You can do that right now. He promises to live in you and t***sform your life. You can have a new life, a new beginning, if you will surrender to Christ.

START BY SIMPLY TALKING TO GOD.

You can pray a prayer like this:

“Dear God, I know that I am a sinner. I’m sorry for my sin. I want to turn from my sin. Please forgive me. I believe Jesus Christ is Your Son; I believe He died on the cross for my sin and You raised Him to life. I want Him to come into my heart and take control of my life. I want to trust Jesus as my Savior and follow Him as my Lord from this day forward. In Jesus’ Name. Amen.”

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Jan 25, 2023 09:50:24   #
Marty 2020 Loc: Banana Republic of Kalifornia
 
Alan Finch wrote:
Let's talk about what JESUS promised. In John 12:32, JESUS promised that He is going to draw All people to Himself.

Colossians 1:20 tell us that the death of Christ on the Cross was God’s means of reconciling to Himself the whole creation, ALL things in heaven and ALL things on earth.”

Isaiah 45:23, Philippines 2:10-11, Revelation 5:13 tells us that every knee shall bow and confess that JESUS is Lord. The meaning of these verses goes even deeper in telling us that every individual will swear their allegiance to the Lord.

If people are going to spend eternity burning in a Lake of Fire, they certainly are not going to confess that JESUS is Lord and sweat their allegiance to Him.

JESUS often used metaphors in His teachings. Once we understand this, then it become clear that Hell and the Lake of Fire are simply metaphors.

I would like to share God’s promise to us, His creation.

The “GOOD NEWS OF THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST” can best be summed up in the words of JESUS when He made the “GREATEST PROMISE EVER,” which is that He will draw ALL people unto Himself. (John 12:32)

My name is Alan Finch. JESUS became my Lord and Saviour in April of 1976.

I spent several years diligently searching the Scriptures to uncover what really made Biblical sense in regards to God's true message to us of what really is “The Good News of the Gospel of Christ” which I did not properly understand for most of my many years as a Christian.

My 1st 38 years as a Christian, I believed the unscriptural teaching about that there is going to be eternal torment for multitudes and multitudes of people. I then began to seriously question that teaching. I then decided to do an in-depth study of the Bible concerning this issue, and the Scriptures revealed to me that I had believed a horrible lie for all those years.

The Lake of Fire is not a physical Lake of Fire, but is a metaphor for a Spiritual Lake of Fire from God’s Spirit for the purpose of “RESTORATION.” God is a God of “ETERNAL RESTORATION,” not a God of “eternal destruction.”

In Acts 3:21 God promises that there shall be a “RESTORATION” of ALL things! What is there not to understand about this wonderful promise that God has made to us?

The overall theme of the Bible is that God’s ultimate plan for ALL mankind is to restore, not destroy in an eternal Lake of Fire or eternal annihilation!

In John 12:32 JESUS clearly states that He is going to draw ALL people to Himself! Not a portion of mankind, but ALL of mankind.

In John 6:44 JESUS clearly states that nobody can come to Him except the Father draws that person to Him. For those who are true Christians, WE MUST NOT KID OURSELVES IN THE FACT THAT WE ONLY CAME TO JESUS BECAUSE GOD’S SPIRIT DREW US TO JESUS!

In the present time, and in the future, God has His own timing when He will draw each individual to Himself.

Addressing the issue of the belief in eternal annihilation, the Lord clearly tells us in Ecclesiastes 3:11 that He has planted eternity in our hearts. God has made us living Spirits. It is impossible for our Spirit to be destroyed.

GOD HAS NOT FAILED IN HIS ORIGINAL PLAN FOR ALL OF MANKIND WHICH DOES NOT INCLUDE ETERNAL TORMENT OR ETERNAL ANNIHILATION. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR GOD TO FAIL IN ANYTHING!

God worked out His plan in past Ages, God is working out His plan in the present Age that we are now living in, and God will work out His plan in future Ages to come.

I have spent the last several years in Biblically expounding in a 32 page document that I have put together on the t***h of there being no eternal suffering in a Lake of Fire for anyone. I have just explained the real LOVE of God that today’s Church just simply does not seem to grasp.

After spending several years of diving deep into the Scriptures to uncover the Biblical t***h on this subject, I would like to share these Biblical t***hs with others so that they can experience the same joy that I experienced which set me free from what I had previously believed for most of my life.

If anyone would be interested in a copy of my document, email me at: (candy33alan@aol.com), and I will email you a copy.
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You’re cherry picking.
Did you read the part where it says that the wages of sin are death?
How about the “second death”?
Are you unaware that the knee bending of the white throne judgement is after the first death?
P***e is your god!
False teacher!
No I don’t want a copy of your paper!!
Maranatha

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Jan 25, 2023 11:51:14   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
Hell is not a happy message. But I believe that the alarm needs to be sounded. And this message is to sound the alarm. We need to be shocked out of our lethargy.

In Revelation 21:7 it says: He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son.

What a wonderful promise that is!

But now, look what it says in the next verse 8: But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.

You see, you may sneer, say I’m unloving and call me all full of hellfire and brimstone, or hellfire and damnation, but as for being unloving, is it unloving to tell a man the t***h? Is a man to be called unloving who points out to men them being in danger? Is it unloving to arouse sleeping people to the fact that thepr house is on fire? Is it unloving to jerk a blind man away from the rattlesnake in the coil? Is it unloving to declare to people the deadliness of their disease and tell them which medicine to take? Well, I would rather be called unloving for being kind than to be called kind for being unloving. Because the most unloving thing I could do would be to fail to warn people about what the Bible has to say about Hell. To speak sneeringly or disparagingly about someone like me who believes in Hell—to ridicule a me as I warn of Hell—would be the same as to ridicule a doctor who warns of cancer. It’s not a pleasant subject, but it is a fact. The idea of Hell is ridiculed today and it is because people don’t like the idea, and they try to laugh it away. You can laugh your way into Hell, but you can’t laugh your way out once you’re there. Proverbs 28:5 says: Evil men do not understand justice, But those who seek the LORD understand all. They don’t like the idea of judgment, and they don’t like the idea of Hell.

Some say, “Well, I just don’t believe in life after death.”

Other people say, “Well, I believe in life after death for the saved, but not for the lost.” They have a doctrine that they call annihilation—out like a light—just gone and that’s the way they deal with the subject.

Then, there are others that believe in life after death but they say, “Eventually, everybody is going to Heaven—that, for a while, God may have some remedial place where He keeps people until they finally come to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ; or, somehow, in love, God is just going to say, “Oh well, that’s all right. I’ll just overlook your sin and bring everybody to Heaven.”—they are what we call universalists.

That’s the way some people deal with the idea of Hell. But I’m going to deal with it by what the Bible says about it. Because the only thing you know, I know, or anybody else knows about life after death—because no one since Jesus has come back from the dead—is what God’s Holy Word says. One ounce of what God says is worth a ton of what some man says, or what somebody else has to say

Now as I share with what God has to say about it, you can do several things: number one: you can reject it—and that’s your privilege; number two: you can ignore it; or, number three: you can accept it, and do something with it.

So, I want to say this: The subject that we’re dealing with, and the scripture that I’m going to be dealing with when I read this awful description of a place called Hell, and when I share what God’s Word says about it—the question is going to come to your mind: “These Scripture passages that you’re using—are they to be interpreted literally or figuratively?” Well, I’ll tell you how I’m going to present it: I’m going to present it like it’s written. Because when I face God, I’d much rather Him say to me, “Parky, you took My Word too seriously,” than to say, “Parky, you explained it away.” So, I’m going to present a very simple message because I don’t want to be misunderstood. There will not be a lot of rhetoric in it—nothing cute, nothing funny.

First of all, I want to tell you that Hell is going to be a place of vile associations. And Satan himself will be part of that company in Hell. Now Satan is not in Hell now. So many times, we speak of the devil in Hell. The devil is not in Hell. He is the prince of the power of the air. 2 Corinthians 4:4 tells us that he’s called “the god of this age,” or, “the god of this world.” And Ephesians 2:2 tells us that he is “the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience.” So. he is not yet in Hell, but he will be cast into Hell. And when he goes to Hell, he’s not some comical character wearing a red suit, with horns, hooves, with a pitchfork, and making people shovel coal. The devil loves to get that kind of an idea out, because we ridicule that idea. When the devil goes to Hell, he will be cast into a lake burning with fire and brimstone, and he will suffer there in Hell like everyone else. He is not going to be the lord of Hell, but he’s going to be incarcerated in a place called Hell. When he’s sent there, it will be on a one-way ticket.

Not only will Satan be there, but will every foul demon. Matthew 25:41 speaks of “the devil and his angels.” These were once bright shining angels who fell from the glories of Heaven and one day will be incarcerated in Hell.

Ungodly persons will also be there. Perhaps, when you see that murderers, fornicators, sorcerers, idolaters, and liars will be there you may say, “Well, I’m too good to go to Hell. I’m not going to be in that category.” But did you read what leads the list? The fearful and the unbelieving! Do you know what the greatest sin is? Do you know what the only unforgivable sin is? Do you think that the greatest sin is some sort of sexual perversion? Or, do you think, perhaps, the greatest sin is rape? Or, do you think the greatest sin is murder? What is the greatest sin? My friend, the greatest sin is the sin that heads this list: “the cowardly and unbelieving”—those who have refused to give their heart to Jesus Christ.

And I’m going to prove that to you. Because I want those who think that they’re too good to be damned—by the way, most people think they’re too good to be damned—to see that In Mark 12 beginning with verse 28 and following that they aren’t. One of the scribes asks Jesus which is the greatest commandment of all? To which Jesus replies, The greatest of all the commandments is you shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.

You see, the greatest sin is to break the greatest commandment. Do you understand that? The greatest sin is not murder or rape, and the greatest sin is not arson or thievery. The greatest sin is to fail to love God with all of your heart. Do you believe that? I hope you do because there are a lot of people who are not Christians, and who are Christians, who don’t love God, and who have never surrendered to the Lord Jesus Christ. Those who have never received Him as Lord and Savior think that Hell is for the drunkard, for the thief, and for the murderer, but not for them. They’re self-righteous people. If you’ve never bowed before the cross of the Lord Jesus Christ and said, “O God, I’m a sinner. I repent of my sin, and, with all of my heart, dear Lord, I believe in You,” you head the list of those who, one day, are going to end up in the place called Hell.” Because I’m telling you that if you don’t know the Lord Jesus Christ, the fearful, the unbelieving, the abominable, murderers, whoremongers, and wh**ever they may be—they’re going to spend their eternity in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone. Hell is a place of vile company and vile associations.

I want to say another thing about Hell: Hell is a place of eternal darkness. Jude:13 calls it “the blackness of darkness forever.” Listen to what our dear Savior said in Matthew 8:12, But the sons of the kingdom—He’s talking here about the kingdom of Satan—will be cast out into outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Outer darkness—darkness, darkness!! If you die without Christ and you go to Hell, never again will you see a glimmer of light; never will you see the twinkle of a star; never will you see the glory of the sun; never will you see the luster of the moon. The blackness of darkness forever! If you die without Jesus Christ, no man’s art can fashion a window that will let in the slightest ray of light. Matthew 25:30 calls it “outer darkness.” No longer will you ever see the smiling face of a child, and no longer will you ever see the beauties that God has provided.

I don’t want you to go to Hell. God doesn’t want you to go to Hell. I want to tell you that God has placed a blockade on the road to Hell, and the blockade that God has placed on the road to Hell is the cross of Jesus Christ. If you go to Hell you’ll have to climb over that cross to get there. God is lifting up the bloodstained cross of the Lord Jesus Christ and saying, “Please, please, don’t go to Hell!” God is pleading for you today. Christ, with nail-pierced hands, is pleading for you today. The Holy Spirit of God is pleading for you today. I’m pleading for you today.

Some who are reading this may be in Hell before the sun sets today. Have you ever thought about it?

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Jan 25, 2023 13:33:20   #
Marty 2020 Loc: Banana Republic of Kalifornia
 
Parky60 wrote:
Hell is not a happy message. But I believe that the alarm needs to be sounded. And this message is to sound the alarm. We need to be shocked out of our lethargy.

In Revelation 21:7 it says: He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son.

What a wonderful promise that is!

But now, look what it says in the next verse 8: But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.

You see, you may sneer, say I’m unloving and call me all full of hellfire and brimstone, or hellfire and damnation, but as for being unloving, is it unloving to tell a man the t***h? Is a man to be called unloving who points out to men them being in danger? Is it unloving to arouse sleeping people to the fact that thepr house is on fire? Is it unloving to jerk a blind man away from the rattlesnake in the coil? Is it unloving to declare to people the deadliness of their disease and tell them which medicine to take? Well, I would rather be called unloving for being kind than to be called kind for being unloving. Because the most unloving thing I could do would be to fail to warn people about what the Bible has to say about Hell. To speak sneeringly or disparagingly about someone like me who believes in Hell—to ridicule a me as I warn of Hell—would be the same as to ridicule a doctor who warns of cancer. It’s not a pleasant subject, but it is a fact. The idea of Hell is ridiculed today and it is because people don’t like the idea, and they try to laugh it away. You can laugh your way into Hell, but you can’t laugh your way out once you’re there. Proverbs 28:5 says: Evil men do not understand justice, But those who seek the LORD understand all. They don’t like the idea of judgment, and they don’t like the idea of Hell.

Some say, “Well, I just don’t believe in life after death.”

Other people say, “Well, I believe in life after death for the saved, but not for the lost.” They have a doctrine that they call annihilation—out like a light—just gone and that’s the way they deal with the subject.

Then, there are others that believe in life after death but they say, “Eventually, everybody is going to Heaven—that, for a while, God may have some remedial place where He keeps people until they finally come to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ; or, somehow, in love, God is just going to say, “Oh well, that’s all right. I’ll just overlook your sin and bring everybody to Heaven.”—they are what we call universalists.

That’s the way some people deal with the idea of Hell. But I’m going to deal with it by what the Bible says about it. Because the only thing you know, I know, or anybody else knows about life after death—because no one since Jesus has come back from the dead—is what God’s Holy Word says. One ounce of what God says is worth a ton of what some man says, or what somebody else has to say

Now as I share with what God has to say about it, you can do several things: number one: you can reject it—and that’s your privilege; number two: you can ignore it; or, number three: you can accept it, and do something with it.

So, I want to say this: The subject that we’re dealing with, and the scripture that I’m going to be dealing with when I read this awful description of a place called Hell, and when I share what God’s Word says about it—the question is going to come to your mind: “These Scripture passages that you’re using—are they to be interpreted literally or figuratively?” Well, I’ll tell you how I’m going to present it: I’m going to present it like it’s written. Because when I face God, I’d much rather Him say to me, “Parky, you took My Word too seriously,” than to say, “Parky, you explained it away.” So, I’m going to present a very simple message because I don’t want to be misunderstood. There will not be a lot of rhetoric in it—nothing cute, nothing funny.

First of all, I want to tell you that Hell is going to be a place of vile associations. And Satan himself will be part of that company in Hell. Now Satan is not in Hell now. So many times, we speak of the devil in Hell. The devil is not in Hell. He is the prince of the power of the air. 2 Corinthians 4:4 tells us that he’s called “the god of this age,” or, “the god of this world.” And Ephesians 2:2 tells us that he is “the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience.” So. he is not yet in Hell, but he will be cast into Hell. And when he goes to Hell, he’s not some comical character wearing a red suit, with horns, hooves, with a pitchfork, and making people shovel coal. The devil loves to get that kind of an idea out, because we ridicule that idea. When the devil goes to Hell, he will be cast into a lake burning with fire and brimstone, and he will suffer there in Hell like everyone else. He is not going to be the lord of Hell, but he’s going to be incarcerated in a place called Hell. When he’s sent there, it will be on a one-way ticket.

Not only will Satan be there, but will every foul demon. Matthew 25:41 speaks of “the devil and his angels.” These were once bright shining angels who fell from the glories of Heaven and one day will be incarcerated in Hell.

Ungodly persons will also be there. Perhaps, when you see that murderers, fornicators, sorcerers, idolaters, and liars will be there you may say, “Well, I’m too good to go to Hell. I’m not going to be in that category.” But did you read what leads the list? The fearful and the unbelieving! Do you know what the greatest sin is? Do you know what the only unforgivable sin is? Do you think that the greatest sin is some sort of sexual perversion? Or, do you think, perhaps, the greatest sin is rape? Or, do you think the greatest sin is murder? What is the greatest sin? My friend, the greatest sin is the sin that heads this list: “the cowardly and unbelieving”—those who have refused to give their heart to Jesus Christ.

And I’m going to prove that to you. Because I want those who think that they’re too good to be damned—by the way, most people think they’re too good to be damned—to see that In Mark 12 beginning with verse 28 and following that they aren’t. One of the scribes asks Jesus which is the greatest commandment of all? To which Jesus replies, The greatest of all the commandments is you shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.

You see, the greatest sin is to break the greatest commandment. Do you understand that? The greatest sin is not murder or rape, and the greatest sin is not arson or thievery. The greatest sin is to fail to love God with all of your heart. Do you believe that? I hope you do because there are a lot of people who are not Christians, and who are Christians, who don’t love God, and who have never surrendered to the Lord Jesus Christ. Those who have never received Him as Lord and Savior think that Hell is for the drunkard, for the thief, and for the murderer, but not for them. They’re self-righteous people. If you’ve never bowed before the cross of the Lord Jesus Christ and said, “O God, I’m a sinner. I repent of my sin, and, with all of my heart, dear Lord, I believe in You,” you head the list of those who, one day, are going to end up in the place called Hell.” Because I’m telling you that if you don’t know the Lord Jesus Christ, the fearful, the unbelieving, the abominable, murderers, whoremongers, and wh**ever they may be—they’re going to spend their eternity in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone. Hell is a place of vile company and vile associations.

I want to say another thing about Hell: Hell is a place of eternal darkness. Jude:13 calls it “the blackness of darkness forever.” Listen to what our dear Savior said in Matthew 8:12, But the sons of the kingdom—He’s talking here about the kingdom of Satan—will be cast out into outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Outer darkness—darkness, darkness!! If you die without Christ and you go to Hell, never again will you see a glimmer of light; never will you see the twinkle of a star; never will you see the glory of the sun; never will you see the luster of the moon. The blackness of darkness forever! If you die without Jesus Christ, no man’s art can fashion a window that will let in the slightest ray of light. Matthew 25:30 calls it “outer darkness.” No longer will you ever see the smiling face of a child, and no longer will you ever see the beauties that God has provided.

I don’t want you to go to Hell. God doesn’t want you to go to Hell. I want to tell you that God has placed a blockade on the road to Hell, and the blockade that God has placed on the road to Hell is the cross of Jesus Christ. If you go to Hell you’ll have to climb over that cross to get there. God is lifting up the bloodstained cross of the Lord Jesus Christ and saying, “Please, please, don’t go to Hell!” God is pleading for you today. Christ, with nail-pierced hands, is pleading for you today. The Holy Spirit of God is pleading for you today. I’m pleading for you today.

Some who are reading this may be in Hell before the sun sets today. Have you ever thought about it?
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Jan 25, 2023 14:23:06   #
Radiance3
 
Marty 2020 wrote:
It’s not who you know that matters, it’s who knows you!


=========================
Must come both ways. Knowing God is what matters most.
Christ knows every fiber of our lives.

Paul says it like this: “Everything else is worthless when compared with the infinite value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. For his sake I have discarded everything else, counting it all as garbage, so that I could gain Christ” (Philippians 3:8

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Jan 25, 2023 14:25:38   #
Marty 2020 Loc: Banana Republic of Kalifornia
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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Must come both ways. Knowing God is what matters most.
Christ knows every fiber of our lives.

Paul says it like this: “Everything else is worthless when compared with the infinite value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. For his sake I have discarded everything else, counting it all as garbage, so that I could gain Christ” (Philippians 3:8

I get it.
I’m just remarking on Jesus’ statement “depart from me you doers of iniquity, I never knew you!”
Mathew 7:23
Some people think that because they know “important people” they get a pass. Well that’s just not true.

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Jan 25, 2023 18:25:12   #
American Scene
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Hades isn't a place of suffering...
Both the good and the evil souls wound up there (in Greek and Roman mythology)....
Indeed, the name itself is taken from the Greek God of death "Hades"...Who was not considered an evil God...
It's poor t***slations like this that lead to misunderstandings...
The Jews themselves don't believe in hell... Which would make it odd that Jesus wouuld... Growing up in a Roman dominated society, Christ would obviously have understood the proper use of the term... On the other hand, centuries later when Christianity dominated the Roman world, mistakes would be much more common... Which might also explain why Hades and Tartarus are used interchangeably in the NT... Another mistake that probably wouldn't have occurred in Christ's time...

The concept that an omnipotent, omnipresent God created a system where the only way to escape (the punishment he set up) is to worship him (but somehow free will is a real thing) is absurd...
I wish more individuals, especially Christians, would look into where some of the more absurd beliefs come from...


https://www.britannica.com/topic/Hades-Greek-mythology

https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/282508/jewish/What-Happens-After-Death.htm
Hades isn't a place of suffering... br Both the g... (show quote)




Interesting perspective


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