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Jan 18, 2023 15:29:23   #
hygrometer3
 
Let Oregon pass more open drug laws and the tweakers and drug people will flow in from all over the USA!!--Now its magical mushrooms--Let these crazy leftwing nut jobs keep passing laws like this and Oregon will become a bigger $hit hole than it is??Hope they all stay in Potland!!

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Jan 18, 2023 16:03:19   #
manning5 Loc: Richmond, VA
 
Bevvy wrote:
100 % correct.


They wanted to charge me $18.47 for a hamburger, fries and a coke at 5 Guys today. I walked out. If you believe that is a fair price for such, good on you. I don't. Wrong direction!

Pie in the sky is great for morale, but it doesn't feed the people. The price of grass seed has gone up 500% in two years. Lots of groceries are up at least 30% to $40%. And this jerk says we are doing so well! My heating bill for February was up 49% over last year. Nutface there cites stats that sort of peter out after 2018, meaning the Biden years are simply devastating.

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Jan 18, 2023 16:09:01   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
Good article . It is the t***h . I have lived through every president since Eisenhower. I have seen our country go through radicalism -drug culture- sex revolution- Left wing bombers- right wing fanatics. Through it all we have prevailed and ever shall we prevail. When the stock market crashed and the country fell into a depression I thought it was the end of the world . I managed to keep a roof over my family. We did not starve and I did not seek charity. Americans are resilient and determined to live free and abundantly. We are going to be ok despite the sensationalism we call news and the radicals who spout their insanity on the radio.
Good article . It is the t***h . I have lived thro... (show quote)

Yes, Tom, I also recognize it as the t***h. I have lived through every president since Truman. I understand and respect Arch's opinion, but Mr. Brooks presents the t***h statistically speaking...not from an individual's personal experiences. Sadly, many don't recognize t***h, but instead adhere to Spiro Agnew's words from decades ago: "In the United States today, we have more than our share of the nattering nabobs of negativism. They have formed their own 4-H club—the 'hopeless, hysterical hypochondriacs of history'."

BTW, Tom, I live in the same world as both you and Arch.

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Jan 18, 2023 16:10:33   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
manning5 wrote:
They wanted to charge me $18.47 for a hamburger, fries and a coke at 5 Guys today. I walked out. If you believe that is a fair price for such, good on you. I don't. Wrong direction!

Good for you, Manning I would've, also.

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Jan 18, 2023 16:26:08   #
manning5 Loc: Richmond, VA
 
Brooks cites stats that are mostly pre-Biden. The market in down over $7 trillion in value, and my fav stocks average -20%
This Polyana nut is not credible. I cite facts here, not gloom and doom. Inflation is said to be abating, but it is very likely to still be above 10% in fact.
Brooks=BS
And, I h**e being lied to and censored by my government.
We are in the hands of pure evil.

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Jan 18, 2023 18:52:16   #
Sonny Magoo Loc: Where pot pie is boiled in a kettle
 
slatten49 wrote:
(continued from above)

I’ve bludgeoned you with statistics in order to make a point: Pessimism about our future is unwarranted. You may think that one major American political party has gone crazy, and I will agree with you. You can point to all of the ways in which life in America is infuriating and unjust, and I will agree with you there too. But the story of America is a story of convulsion and reinvention. We go through moments when the established order stops working. People and movements rise up, and things change. The culture is a collective response to the problems of the moment; as new problems become obvious, the culture shifts. We’ve been in the middle of one of those tumultuous t***sition periods since, I’d say, 2013. But 2022 evinced hopeful signs that we’re coming out of it.

If there is one lesson from the events of the past year, it is that open societies such as ours have an ability to adapt in a way that closed societies simply do not. Russia has turned violent and malevolent. China has grown more authoritarian and inept. Meanwhile, free democratic societies have united around the Ukrainians as they battle to preserve the liberal world order. And American v**ers seem to finally be adapting to the threat Donald Trump poses to our democracy, forming a robust anti-Trump coalition that will significantly lessen his chances of ever working in the White House again.

America is a wounded giant, and many of its wounds are self-inflicted. But America has always been a wounded giant. And it has always stumbled forward, driven by an inner turbine of ambition and aspiration that knows no rest.
(continued from above) br br I’ve bludgeoned you ... (show quote)


Trump's a threat to democracy 🙄
Good grief. Pretty dumb for a smart guy.
The REAL threat to democracy is folks like you that actually believe this crap.
The similarities between the USA AND the Ukraine include being spoon fed by a controlled narrative as supplied by the government media complex for each nation. Who controls Zelensky? Yeah. A media oligarch. Just like here.

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Jan 18, 2023 19:28:22   #
LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago
 
slatten49 wrote:
(continued from above)

I’ve bludgeoned you with statistics in order to make a point: Pessimism about our future is unwarranted. You may think that one major American political party has gone crazy, and I will agree with you. You can point to all of the ways in which life in America is infuriating and unjust, and I will agree with you there too. But the story of America is a story of convulsion and reinvention. We go through moments when the established order stops working. People and movements rise up, and things change. The culture is a collective response to the problems of the moment; as new problems become obvious, the culture shifts. We’ve been in the middle of one of those tumultuous t***sition periods since, I’d say, 2013. But 2022 evinced hopeful signs that we’re coming out of it.

If there is one lesson from the events of the past year, it is that open societies such as ours have an ability to adapt in a way that closed societies simply do not. Russia has turned violent and malevolent. China has grown more authoritarian and inept. Meanwhile, free democratic societies have united around the Ukrainians as they battle to preserve the liberal world order. And American v**ers seem to finally be adapting to the threat Donald Trump poses to our democracy, forming a robust anti-Trump coalition that will significantly lessen his chances of ever working in the White House again.

America is a wounded giant, and many of its wounds are self-inflicted. But America has always been a wounded giant. And it has always stumbled forward, driven by an inner turbine of ambition and aspiration that knows no rest.
(continued from above) br br I’ve bludgeoned you ... (show quote)


A lot of interesting points util the utter bull s**t os the second to the last paragraph

***If there is one lesson from the events of the past year, it is that open societies such as ours have an ability to adapt in a way that closed societies simply do not. Russia has turned violent and malevolent. China has grown more authoritarian and inept. Meanwhile, free democratic societies have united around the Ukrainians as they battle to preserve the liberal world order. And American v**ers seem to finally be adapting to the threat Donald Trump poses to our democracy, forming a robust anti-Trump coalition that will significantly lessen his chances of ever working in the White House again.
>>>A free democratic society is not what we have or want. The Ukrainians are fighting a suckers war egged on by autocratic leaders in Ukraine, Europe and America that are on a course of containment of Russia at wh**ever costs in lives of others they cause. They started this war and not Russia. Russia's stated desires before the war were not only reasonable, but the right thing to do. And a couple of hundred thousand lives might have been saved if not for the idiocy of biden and some other western leaders. A Liberal world order is not the goal of these l*****ts. Their goal is containment and control of all of our lives.
President Donald Trump was not a threat to America, but hopefully a threat to the democracy that the left pushes, which is a bully democracy for their own controls and out ens***ement. There wielding of the slimmest of majorities over the last 2 years shows how they would ens***e everyone if they had greater control.
God help us if they get control again until a purge of their worst elements is accomplished.

Logically Right

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Jan 18, 2023 19:34:31   #
Rose42
 
slatten49 wrote:
Yes, Tom, I also recognize it as the t***h. I have lived through every president since Truman. I understand and respect Arch's opinion, but Mr. Brooks presents the t***h statistically speaking...not from an individual's personal experiences. Sadly, many don't recognize t***h, but instead adhere to Spiro Agnew's words from decades ago: "In the United States today, we have more than our share of the nattering nabobs of negativism. They have formed their own 4-H club—the 'hopeless, hysterical hypochondriacs of history'."

BTW, Tom, I live in the same world as both you and Arch.
Yes, Tom, I also recognize it as the t***h. I hav... (show quote)


“There are three kinds of lies - lies, damned lies, and statistics”

The article is an opinion piece.

Its not hard to misrepresent - intentionally or not - with statistics. While I may agree with some of the author’s points, my observations throughout my life - not the media - tell me he’s generally wrong. People have changed and not for the better. Doesn’t mean I’m not happy because I am. I’m not negative about it, just realistic

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Jan 18, 2023 21:05:02   #
manning5 Loc: Richmond, VA
 
I suggest that this piece was meant to put realists to the test. Look at the happy past, project it into the present and future and shut the hell up! Some will buy into this malarky, forgetting the real statistics of today's American problems: financial debt of $32 trillion, inflation above 10%, low-level jobs being taken by i******s, Groceries going sky high, oil independence shot to hell, services doubling in price, i***tic expenditures roll out daily in the billions often to foreign nations, a goofball president with hidden string-pullers, a government that loves to lie to the people and censor them, woke i***ts abound, and new legislation is introduced daily that is flat unconstitutional (thankfully not yet passed!), millions of low-sk**led i*****l i*******ts bussed all over, especially to the sanctuary city a*********ns, and the favorite s**m in the world, c*****e c****e, gets several hundred million dollars to sink into just what? Not CO2 reduction, because that has been proven to be false, so follow the money into some unsavory pockets (our tax dollars!).
Gramsci and Alinsky would both be proud of their minions, corrupting our nation from within. And then we get this i***t Brooks trying to convince us that all is really well, you just have to ignore the facts on the ground. I figure that my taxes are going to support two illegal families, probably forever, or three generations of kids, whichever comes first.

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Jan 18, 2023 21:34:35   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
manning5 wrote:
I suggest that this piece was meant to put realists to the test. Look at the happy past, project it into the present and future and shut the hell up! Some will buy into this malarky, forgetting the real statistics of today's American problems: financial debt of $32 trillion, inflation above 10%, low-level jobs being taken by i******s, Groceries going sky high, oil independence shot to hell, services doubling in price, i***tic expenditures roll out daily in the billions often to foreign nations, a goofball president with hidden string-pullers, a government that loves to lie to the people and censor them, woke i***ts abound, and new legislation is introduced daily that is flat unconstitutional (thankfully not yet passed!), millions of low-sk**led i*****l i*******ts bussed all over, especially to the sanctuary city a*********ns, and the favorite s**m in the world, c*****e c****e, gets several hundred million dollars to sink into just what? Not CO2 reduction, because that has been proven to be false, so follow the money into some unsavory pockets (our tax dollars!).
Gramsci and Alinsky would both be proud of their minions, corrupting our nation from within. And then we get this i***t Brooks trying to convince us that all is really well, you just have to ignore the facts on the ground. I figure that my taxes are going to support two illegal families, probably forever, or three generations of kids, whichever comes first.
I suggest that this piece was meant to put realist... (show quote)


I know it ain't manly, but I want to give you a hug!

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Jan 18, 2023 21:37:53   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Rose42 wrote:
“There are three kinds of lies - lies, damned lies, and statistics”

The article is an opinion piece.

Its not hard to misrepresent - intentionally or not - with statistics. While I may agree with some of the author’s points, my observations throughout my life - not the media - tell me he’s generally wrong. People have changed and not for the better. Doesn’t mean I’m not happy because I am. I’m not negative about it, just realistic

Thanks, Rose, for a civil and reasonable response.

Reasonable people, after all, can disagree.

BTW, thanks also for the quote about lies that Mark Twain attributed to Benjamin Disraeli.

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Jan 18, 2023 21:46:14   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
archie bunker wrote:
I know it ain't manly, but I want to give you a hug!

Go ahead, Arch. Your manliness has never been in question by those who know you.

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Jan 18, 2023 21:47:24   #
manning5 Loc: Richmond, VA
 
LogicallyRight wrote:
A lot of interesting points util the utter bull s**t os the second to the last paragraph

***If there is one lesson from the events of the past year, it is that open societies such as ours have an ability to adapt in a way that closed societies simply do not. Russia has turned violent and malevolent. China has grown more authoritarian and inept. Meanwhile, free democratic societies have united around the Ukrainians as they battle to preserve the liberal world order. And American v**ers seem to finally be adapting to the threat Donald Trump poses to our democracy, forming a robust anti-Trump coalition that will significantly lessen his chances of ever working in the White House again.
>>>A free democratic society is not what we have or want. The Ukrainians are fighting a suckers war egged on by autocratic leaders in Ukraine, Europe and America that are on a course of containment of Russia at wh**ever costs in lives of others they cause. They started this war and not Russia. Russia's stated desires before the war were not only reasonable, but the right thing to do. And a couple of hundred thousand lives might have been saved if not for the idiocy of biden and some other western leaders. A Liberal world order is not the goal of these l*****ts. Their goal is containment and control of all of our lives.
President Donald Trump was not a threat to America, but hopefully a threat to the democracy that the left pushes, which is a bully democracy for their own controls and out ens***ement. There wielding of the slimmest of majorities over the last 2 years shows how they would ens***e everyone if they had greater control.
God help us if they get control again until a purge of their worst elements is accomplished.

Logically Right
A lot of interesting points util the utter bull s*... (show quote)


"They started this war and not Russia. Russia's stated desires before the war were not only reasonable, but the right thing to do. And a couple of hundred thousand lives might have been saved if not for the idiocy of biden and some other western leaders."
This is either fact or fiction, or perhaps a bit of both. Seems the facts are that Russia invaded the Ukraine. It makes no sense to claim that the Ukraine wanted to have Russia invade! That some Russians were in the Dombas region is not under dispute, but the entire territory was legitimately ceded to the Ukraine. By such logic as legitimizing Russia's claim to the Dombas on the basis that the majority of people there are Russian then we just might lose Southern California to Mexico because the majority there are of Mexican descent. And they too had possession of SC before! There are many other examples of this fallacy worldwide. Neither population origin nor prior possession count, except by use of force.

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Jan 18, 2023 21:53:44   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
slatten49 wrote:
Thanks, Frosty.

Many forget that "It's time to stop trying to outsmart the t***h and let it have its day."


Indeed we will. What do you think of the new Biden t***hs?

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Jan 18, 2023 23:12:57   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
slatten49 wrote:
Yes, Tom, I also recognize it as the t***h. I have lived through every president since Truman. I understand and respect Arch's opinion, but Mr. Brooks presents the t***h statistically speaking...not from an individual's personal experiences. Sadly, many don't recognize t***h, but instead adhere to Spiro Agnew's words from decades ago: "In the United States today, we have more than our share of the nattering nabobs of negativism. They have formed their own 4-H club—the 'hopeless, hysterical hypochondriacs of history'."

BTW, Tom, I live in the same world as both you and Arch.
Yes, Tom, I also recognize it as the t***h. I hav... (show quote)


Life is what you make it-I have always been told-- I think I'm doing just fine .

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