School punishment by racial quota
Nov 18, 2014 14:42:41 #
**THIS IS WHY I DETEST CONSERVATIVES....EVEN WHEN PROVEN SOCIAL RESEARCH OUTLINING RACIAL DISPARITIES WITH INCARCERATION, SCHOOL PUNISHMENT, HIRING, PROMOTION AND EVEN MEDICAL TREATMENT IS PROVIDED...THEY DISMISS IT AS CONJECTURE WITHOUT ANY TYPE PROOF TO THE CONTRARY...AND SPEAK AS IF BLACK PEOPLE WANT SPECIAL AS OPPOSED TO EQUAL TREATMENT..HENCE WHY THEY ARE R****TS IN MY BOOK....BECAUSE CONSERVATISM MEANS TO CONSERVE THE STATUS QUO...AND ALL THE HISTORICAL RACIAL INEQUITIES THAT COME WITH IT**
By Thomas Sowell November 18, 2014 12:25 pm
If anyone still has any doubt about the utter cynicism of the Obama administration, a recent agreement between the federal government and the Minneapolis Public Schools should open their eyes.
Under the Obama administration, both the Department of Education and the Department of Justice have been leaning on public schools around the country to reduce what they call the "disproportionate" numbers of black male students who are punished for various offenses in schools.
Under an implicit threat of losing their federal subsidies, the Minneapolis Public Schools have agreed to reduce the disparity in punishment of black students by 25 percent by the end of this school year, and then by 50 percent, 75 percent and finally 100 percent in each of the following years. In other words, there are now racial quota limits for punishment in the Minneapolis schools.
If we stop and think -- as old-fashioned as that may seem -- there is not the slightest reason to expect black males to commit the same number of offenses as Asian females or any other set of students.
When different groups of human beings have behaved differently in all sorts of ways, in countries around the world, for thousands of years of recorded history, why would we accept as dogma that the only reason one set of students gets punished more than others is because the people who are doing the punishing are picking on them?
Politically -- which is the way the Obama administration looks at everything -- any time they can depict b****s as victims, and depict themselves as their rescuers, that means an opportunity to get out the black v**e for Democrats.
On the surface, this may look like a favor to b****s. But only on the surface.
Anyone with common sense knows that letting a kid get away with bad behavior is an open invitation to worse behavior in the future. Punishing a kid for misbehavior in school when he is 10 years old may reduce the chances that he will have to be sent to prison when he is 20 years old.
Other schools in other cities, which have also caved under pressure from the federal government, and agreed to lighten up on black kids who misbehave, have reported an increase in misbehavior, including violence. Who would have thought otherwise?
Letting kids who are behavior problems in schools grow up to become hoodlums and then criminals is no favor to them or to the black community. Moreover, it takes no more than a small fraction of troublemakers in a class to make it impossible to give that class a decent education. And for many poor people, whether black or white, education is their one big chance to escape poverty.
The people in the Obama administration who are pushing this counterproductive policy are not stupid. They are political, which is worse. They know what they are doing and they are willing to sacrifice young b****s to do it.
This punishment issue made me think back to the 8th grade, when I was punished by being kept after school, more often than any other kid in the class -- black, white, Hispanic or wh**ever. I was bored in school and did various pranks to liven things up.
One day, after school, as I sat alone among the empty chairs in the classroom, the teacher said, sarcastically: "Well, here we are again, Sowell, just the two of us!"
"Good grief, Miss Sharoff," I said. "If we keep staying in after school together all the time, people will begin to talk."
"We will just have to live with the scandal," she said, without even looking up from the papers she was correcting.
Thank heaven there was no Obama administration to exempt me from punishment. Who knows how I might have ended up?
Years ago, there was a study of a working class community where there were black, Hispanic and Italian kids, and where many of the cops were Italian. When a black or Hispanic kid broke the law, the police took him down to the station and booked him. But, if an Italian kid did the same thing, they reacted differently.
The Italian cop would take the Italian kid out into an alley and rough him up. Then he would take him home to his family, tell them what had happened and leave him there -- where the kid could expect another beating, instead of the wrist-slap punishment of the law. Those cops understood the realities of life that politicians ignore. And they were doing a favor to their own.
Thomas Sowell is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University, Stanford, CA 94305. His website is www.tsowell.com. To find out more about Thomas Sowell and read features by other Creators Syndicate columnists and cartoonists, visit the Creators Syndicate Web page at www.creators.com.
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By Thomas Sowell November 18, 2014 12:25 pm
If anyone still has any doubt about the utter cynicism of the Obama administration, a recent agreement between the federal government and the Minneapolis Public Schools should open their eyes.
Under the Obama administration, both the Department of Education and the Department of Justice have been leaning on public schools around the country to reduce what they call the "disproportionate" numbers of black male students who are punished for various offenses in schools.
Under an implicit threat of losing their federal subsidies, the Minneapolis Public Schools have agreed to reduce the disparity in punishment of black students by 25 percent by the end of this school year, and then by 50 percent, 75 percent and finally 100 percent in each of the following years. In other words, there are now racial quota limits for punishment in the Minneapolis schools.
If we stop and think -- as old-fashioned as that may seem -- there is not the slightest reason to expect black males to commit the same number of offenses as Asian females or any other set of students.
When different groups of human beings have behaved differently in all sorts of ways, in countries around the world, for thousands of years of recorded history, why would we accept as dogma that the only reason one set of students gets punished more than others is because the people who are doing the punishing are picking on them?
Politically -- which is the way the Obama administration looks at everything -- any time they can depict b****s as victims, and depict themselves as their rescuers, that means an opportunity to get out the black v**e for Democrats.
On the surface, this may look like a favor to b****s. But only on the surface.
Anyone with common sense knows that letting a kid get away with bad behavior is an open invitation to worse behavior in the future. Punishing a kid for misbehavior in school when he is 10 years old may reduce the chances that he will have to be sent to prison when he is 20 years old.
Other schools in other cities, which have also caved under pressure from the federal government, and agreed to lighten up on black kids who misbehave, have reported an increase in misbehavior, including violence. Who would have thought otherwise?
Letting kids who are behavior problems in schools grow up to become hoodlums and then criminals is no favor to them or to the black community. Moreover, it takes no more than a small fraction of troublemakers in a class to make it impossible to give that class a decent education. And for many poor people, whether black or white, education is their one big chance to escape poverty.
The people in the Obama administration who are pushing this counterproductive policy are not stupid. They are political, which is worse. They know what they are doing and they are willing to sacrifice young b****s to do it.
This punishment issue made me think back to the 8th grade, when I was punished by being kept after school, more often than any other kid in the class -- black, white, Hispanic or wh**ever. I was bored in school and did various pranks to liven things up.
One day, after school, as I sat alone among the empty chairs in the classroom, the teacher said, sarcastically: "Well, here we are again, Sowell, just the two of us!"
"Good grief, Miss Sharoff," I said. "If we keep staying in after school together all the time, people will begin to talk."
"We will just have to live with the scandal," she said, without even looking up from the papers she was correcting.
Thank heaven there was no Obama administration to exempt me from punishment. Who knows how I might have ended up?
Years ago, there was a study of a working class community where there were black, Hispanic and Italian kids, and where many of the cops were Italian. When a black or Hispanic kid broke the law, the police took him down to the station and booked him. But, if an Italian kid did the same thing, they reacted differently.
The Italian cop would take the Italian kid out into an alley and rough him up. Then he would take him home to his family, tell them what had happened and leave him there -- where the kid could expect another beating, instead of the wrist-slap punishment of the law. Those cops understood the realities of life that politicians ignore. And they were doing a favor to their own.
Thomas Sowell is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University, Stanford, CA 94305. His website is www.tsowell.com. To find out more about Thomas Sowell and read features by other Creators Syndicate columnists and cartoonists, visit the Creators Syndicate Web page at www.creators.com.
COPYRIGHT 2014 CREATORS.COM
Nov 18, 2014 14:53:40 #
KHH1 wrote:
**THIS IS WHY I DETEST CONSERVATIVES....EVEN WHEN ... (show quote)
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KHH1, I am puzzled. Why did you put up a post from Thomas Sowell, a self-hating black conservative? It's kind of like quoting Clarence Thomas (except that he is not quotable because he is the "invisible man").
It would be like me quoting from the right wing Jewish Uncle Toms---Michael Savage, Mark Levin, and Dennis Prager. I could...but what would be the point?
The conservatives love to put their pet black people in front of the camera, in the hopes, that they can siphon off some minority v**es with the "bait".
Obviously the fish bait project (Carson, West, Keyes, Sowell, and Thomas) hasn't gone as well as the wingnuts had hoped.
Proof? Minority v**e totals in the last 2 p**********l e******ns.
They are really pissed that very few folks are stupid enough to bite their poisonous r****t bait. How pissed? You can always tell when they go into their GOP talking points mode---Democratic plantation; KKK were Democrats; Lincoln was a Republican and when they are just talking to their own--going into "dog whistle" mode with their special "southern strategy" vocabulary---urban, thugs, rappers, entitlements, forced busing, inner city culture, etc., ad nauseum.
Nov 18, 2014 14:59:45 #
[quote=KHH1]**THIS IS WHY I DETEST CONSERVATIVES....EVEN WHEN PROVEN SOCIAL RESEARCH OUTLINING RACIAL DISPARITIES WITH INCARCERATION, SCHOOL PUNISHMENT, HIRING, PROMOTION AND EVEN MEDICAL TREATMENT IS PROVIDED...THEY DISMISS IT AS CONJECTURE WITHOUT ANY TYPE PROOF TO THE CONTRARY...AND SPEAK AS IF BLACK PEOPLE WANT SPECIAL AS OPPOSED TO EQUAL TREATMENT..HENCE, WHY THEY ARE R****TS IN MY BOOK....BECAUSE CONSERVATISM MEANS TO CONSERVE THE STATUS QUO...AND ALL THE HISTORICAL RACIAL INEQUITIES THAT COME WITH IT**
Inasmuch as the preponderance of the criminal element is black what is your solution to the problem(s)?
Inasmuch as the preponderance of the criminal element is black what is your solution to the problem(s)?
Nov 18, 2014 15:10:27 #
[quote=Old_Gringo]
Racebaiters like Sharpton, Obama, etc like the term 'Social Justice' because it is by definition "NOT" 'Equal Justice'.
E******y only works if your constituent hasn't been convinced that they are inferior.
And... L*****t never cure a problem they can exploit.
I'm sure there will be tons of liberals just slobbering at the prospect of punishing some innocent w****s to 'get back at them' for some real or perceived crime against them or their ancestors.
KHH1 wrote:
Any Quota System, like Affirmative Action is it's own end. **THIS IS WHY I DETEST CONSERVATIVES....EVEN WHEN ... (show quote)
Racebaiters like Sharpton, Obama, etc like the term 'Social Justice' because it is by definition "NOT" 'Equal Justice'.
E******y only works if your constituent hasn't been convinced that they are inferior.
And... L*****t never cure a problem they can exploit.
I'm sure there will be tons of liberals just slobbering at the prospect of punishing some innocent w****s to 'get back at them' for some real or perceived crime against them or their ancestors.
Nov 18, 2014 15:11:23 #
Super Dave wrote:
Any Quota System, like Affirmative Action is it's ... (show quote)
**Social reserach drives policy efforts...get an education please**
Nov 18, 2014 15:14:10 #
Brian Devon wrote:
******* br KHH1, I am puzzled. Why did you put up ... (show quote)
Cool I have the 2 of you together and with the topic I have been thinking about.
I was having a rather interesting discussion with a friend of mine last night we will just call him VJ.
Now VJ comes from a very caste oriented society, he's fairly fair skinned but you wouldn't call him anything other than what he is Indian Hindu. We were discussing pretty much the same thing what does it mean to be poor in America vs poor in India. Basically he said what poor there means is you'd be fired from your $1.50 a day job if you got hurt and had to leave work because of it.
He despises american b****s, they have all the opportunity in the world to get an education and climb the social ladder but they throw away what any Indian child would do anything to have.
Until the b****s in this country grab hold with both hands what's right in front of them they will never get the money, power or respect that they feel has been denied them. No one can make them do it they must do it for themselves and that doesn't mean getting a HS diploma and not being able to read, write or even speak.
Do you really think letting anyone skate through school is doing them a favor?
Nov 18, 2014 15:14:57 #
Dave
Loc: Upstate New York
It is sad to see mind numbed victims of Gruber type illusions thinking they can even come close to the intellectual capabilities of Dr. Sowell. Self loving fools calling him self hating, so sad that one can only hope these fools don't realize their folly, because if they ever do the may become fatally self loathing
Nov 18, 2014 15:15:58 #
KHH1 wrote:
LOL - Research that doesn't show causation is ignorant and leads to stupid public policy efforts.**Social reserach drives policy efforts...get an education please**
I give you the last 6 years of Obama's repeated failures to make my point.
Nov 18, 2014 15:17:01 #
Dave wrote:
It is sad to see mind numbed victims of Gruber type illusions thinking they can even come close to the intellectual capabilities of Dr. Sowell. Self loving fools calling him self hating, so sad that one can only hope these fools don't realize their folly, because if they ever do the may become fatally self loathing
Well said, Dave!
Nov 18, 2014 15:21:44 #
Constitutional libertarian wrote:
Cool I have the 2 of you together and with the top... (show quote)
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I suspect that President Obama, Attorney General Holder, and Loretta Lynch, our new attorney general have vastly more education and achievements than either you or your Indian friend. I suspect KHH1 does too.
Go back to school and study anthropology and sociology. Then come back to OPP and post. Wh**ever you gleaned from "Dick and Jane" and your 19th century "McGuffey" reader, has outlived its usefulness.
Nov 18, 2014 15:26:43 #
Brian Devon wrote:
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I suspect that President Obama, Attorney General Holder, and Loretta Lynch, our new attorney general have vastly more education and achievements than either you or your Indian friend. I suspect KHH1 does too.
Go back to school and study anthropology and sociology. Then come back to OPP and post. Wh**ever you gleaned from "Dick and Jane" and your 19th century "McGuffey" reader, has outlived its usefulness.
I suspect that President Obama, Attorney General Holder, and Loretta Lynch, our new attorney general have vastly more education and achievements than either you or your Indian friend. I suspect KHH1 does too.
Go back to school and study anthropology and sociology. Then come back to OPP and post. Wh**ever you gleaned from "Dick and Jane" and your 19th century "McGuffey" reader, has outlived its usefulness.
There is nothing as dangerous as an educated i***t with no real life experiences to develop real intelligence. My doctor brother worked with a hindu Indian doctor and he said the same thing. He also said this is the only country he has ever seen where the poor people are fat not skinny.
Nothing more irritating or dangerous that an educated moonbat.
Sowell is right. Not disciplining deserving b****s for fear of being called a r****t is really doing them a disservice.
Nov 18, 2014 15:31:11 #
Brian Devon wrote:
************
I suspect that President Obama, Attorney General Holder, and Loretta Lynch, our new attorney general have vastly more education and achievements than either you or your Indian friend. I suspect KHH1 does too.
Go back to school and study anthropology and sociology. Then come back to OPP and post. Wh**ever you gleaned from "Dick and Jane" and your 19th century "McGuffey" reader, has outlived its usefulness.
I suspect that President Obama, Attorney General Holder, and Loretta Lynch, our new attorney general have vastly more education and achievements than either you or your Indian friend. I suspect KHH1 does too.
Go back to school and study anthropology and sociology. Then come back to OPP and post. Wh**ever you gleaned from "Dick and Jane" and your 19th century "McGuffey" reader, has outlived its usefulness.
I love it when Democrats look at their multiple failures and pat themselves on the back for their brilliance. I can't help but laugh.
Nov 18, 2014 15:35:28 #
buffalo wrote:
There is nothing as dangerous as an educated i***t with no real life experiences to develop real intelligence. My doctor brother worked with a hindu Indian doctor and he said the same thing. He also said this is the only country he has ever seen where the poor people are fat not skinny.
Nothing more irritating or dangerous that an educated moonbat.
Sowell is right. Not disciplining deserving b****s for fear of being called a r****t is really doing them a disservice.
Nothing more irritating or dangerous that an educated moonbat.
Sowell is right. Not disciplining deserving b****s for fear of being called a r****t is really doing them a disservice.
**it is not about that.......it is about the disparities in punishment....from K-12 and in the legal system....why do you think the crack/powder laws were changed?....why do you think arrests for small possessions of weed had to he changed? why do you think three-strikes was changed? All of those were changed because they were not implemented in an equitable fashion....righties do not understand or read enough to get what social research is...there is actually a way to quantify racial inequities**
Nov 18, 2014 15:37:57 #
[quote=Old_Gringo]
**preponderance is the same for everyone. not your r****t only black=crime philosophy.....please righties, read more and become aware of research....just like drug possession, w****s get caught with it more, but punished less**
KHH1 wrote:
**THIS IS WHY I DETEST CONSERVATIVES....EVEN WHEN ... (show quote)
**preponderance is the same for everyone. not your r****t only black=crime philosophy.....please righties, read more and become aware of research....just like drug possession, w****s get caught with it more, but punished less**
Nov 18, 2014 15:39:03 #
Dave
Loc: Upstate New York
KHH1 wrote:
**it is not about that.......it is about the dispa... (show quote)
Sure - the complete and total failure of virtually every urban school for minorities, whether the city and the schools are run by b****s, w****s, or alien life forms, is all due to inequitable punishment from r****t administrators - thanks for your insightful social research. I'm sure that when Dr. Sowell learns of your superior insight and research he'll resign his position at Stanford.
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