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Nov 18, 2014 15:11:31   #
Dave Loc: Upstate New York
 
KHH1 wrote:
**Factcheck time**

No WMDs in Iraq


Q: Were there really weapons of mass destruction in Iraq when the U.S. invaded in 2003?

A: No. The Iraq Survey Group determined that Iraq had abandoned its quest to develop chemical, biological and nuclear weapons and that it had already destroyed all of its existing stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons.


FULL QUESTION

I have friends in Texas, Seattle and Tennessee who say President Bush was right that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. They claim that the weapons were hidden in caves in the mountains, and are still hidden there, but we have not found them yet. Where did they get such ideas, and is there even the slightest chance they are right, and if so why wouldn’t Bush have said this? How did such a belief get started, and is there a way I can dispel them of the idea?

FULL ANSWER


As for how you dispel your friends’ notions that Iraq really did have stockpiles of chemical or biological weapons when President Bush no longer makes such claims himself, we suggest ridicule. If that doesn’t work, you may be out of luck.

After the invasion of Iraq in 2003, the Bush administration formed the Iraq Survey Group and tasked it with the job of locating WMD stockpiles in Iraq. The ISG was staffed with hundreds of intelligence analysts and military personnel from the United States, the United Kingdom and Australia. The group scoured Iraq, searching for deposits of weapons. But that was actually only part of the ISG’s focus.

According to the ISG final report, the search for WMDs actually began during the invasion phase of Operation Iraqi Freedom. A military task force was deployed to investigate suspected WMD sites on the theory that the Iraqi military might otherwise employ those weapons against coalition troops. After the invasion, the ISG was established to conduct "a more systematic collection of evidence to build an understanding of Iraqi WMD programs." In other words, the ISG did not simply look for WMDs. The group also looked at Iraq’s WMD capabilities and examined evidence relating to past WMD stockpiles.

During its investigation, the ISG reported that "[a] total of 53 munitions have been recovered, all of which appear to have been part of pre-1991 Gulf war stocks based on their physical condition and residual components." These isolated discoveries received significant media attention, and it’s likely that these overhyped reports contributed to your friends’ beliefs that Iraq really did possess WMDs. But the finds were rare, and the ISG concluded that they were not part of a significant stockpile of weapons. Indeed, after nearly two years of investigation, the ISG concluded that:
&#9632;"Saddam Husayn ended the nuclear program in 1991 following the Gulf war. ISG found no evidence to suggest concerted efforts to restart the program."
&#9632;"While a small number of old, abandoned chemical munitions have been discovered, ISG judges that Iraq unilaterally destroyed its undeclared chemical weapons stockpile in 1991. There are no credible indications that Baghdad resumed production of chemical munitions thereafter."
&#9632;"In practical terms, with the destruction of the Al Hakam facility, Iraq abandoned its ambition to obtain advanced BW [biological warfare] weapons quickly. ISG found no direct evidence that Iraq, after 1996, had plans for a new BW program or was conducting BW-specific work for military purposes."

Experts from the three nations failed to document any existent biological or nuclear weapons and discovered only a few random chemical weapons. The ISG concluded that contrary to what most of the world had believed, Iraq had abandoned attempts to produce WMDs. In his congressional testimony, the head of the ISG, Charles Duelfer, admitted, "We were almost all wrong" on Iraq.

The ISG report was sufficient to convince the Bush administration that there were no WMDs to be found; they called off the search in 2005. If that doesn’t convince your friends, we’re not sure what else might do the trick. Anyone who believes something without any positive evidence and in the face of evidence to the contrary is no longer acting on the basis of reason.

-Joe Miller

Sources

CNN. "Official: U.S. Calls off Search for Iraqi WMDs." CNN.com, 12 Jan. 2005.

Iraq Survey Group. "Iraq Survey Group Final Report." 30 Sept. 2004. GlobalSecurity.org, 14 Feb. 2008.

Priest, Dana and Walter Pincus. "U.S. ‘Almost All Wrong’ on Weapons." The Washington Post, 7 Oct. 2004.
**Factcheck time** br br No WMDs in Iraq br br ... (show quote)


So, Hillary and Bill Clinton, John Kerry, Ted Kennedy, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi also lied - or were they merely mistaken and only Bush lied. Go back and talk with the folks who claim Obama is a Muslim born in Kenya - they are your intellectual equivalents and leave adult conversation to those of us not receiving signals in our dental fillings.

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Nov 18, 2014 15:12:25   #
Dave Loc: Upstate New York
 
KHH1 wrote:
**Factcheck time**

No WMDs in Iraq


Q: Were there really weapons of mass destruction in Iraq when the U.S. invaded in 2003?

A: No. The Iraq Survey Group determined that Iraq had abandoned its quest to develop chemical, biological and nuclear weapons and that it had already destroyed all of its existing stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons.


FULL QUESTION

I have friends in Texas, Seattle and Tennessee who say President Bush was right that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. They claim that the weapons were hidden in caves in the mountains, and are still hidden there, but we have not found them yet. Where did they get such ideas, and is there even the slightest chance they are right, and if so why wouldn’t Bush have said this? How did such a belief get started, and is there a way I can dispel them of the idea?

FULL ANSWER


As for how you dispel your friends’ notions that Iraq really did have stockpiles of chemical or biological weapons when President Bush no longer makes such claims himself, we suggest ridicule. If that doesn’t work, you may be out of luck.

After the invasion of Iraq in 2003, the Bush administration formed the Iraq Survey Group and tasked it with the job of locating WMD stockpiles in Iraq. The ISG was staffed with hundreds of intelligence analysts and military personnel from the United States, the United Kingdom and Australia. The group scoured Iraq, searching for deposits of weapons. But that was actually only part of the ISG’s focus.

According to the ISG final report, the search for WMDs actually began during the invasion phase of Operation Iraqi Freedom. A military task force was deployed to investigate suspected WMD sites on the theory that the Iraqi military might otherwise employ those weapons against coalition troops. After the invasion, the ISG was established to conduct "a more systematic collection of evidence to build an understanding of Iraqi WMD programs." In other words, the ISG did not simply look for WMDs. The group also looked at Iraq’s WMD capabilities and examined evidence relating to past WMD stockpiles.

During its investigation, the ISG reported that "[a] total of 53 munitions have been recovered, all of which appear to have been part of pre-1991 Gulf war stocks based on their physical condition and residual components." These isolated discoveries received significant media attention, and it’s likely that these overhyped reports contributed to your friends’ beliefs that Iraq really did possess WMDs. But the finds were rare, and the ISG concluded that they were not part of a significant stockpile of weapons. Indeed, after nearly two years of investigation, the ISG concluded that:
&#9632;"Saddam Husayn ended the nuclear program in 1991 following the Gulf war. ISG found no evidence to suggest concerted efforts to restart the program."
&#9632;"While a small number of old, abandoned chemical munitions have been discovered, ISG judges that Iraq unilaterally destroyed its undeclared chemical weapons stockpile in 1991. There are no credible indications that Baghdad resumed production of chemical munitions thereafter."
&#9632;"In practical terms, with the destruction of the Al Hakam facility, Iraq abandoned its ambition to obtain advanced BW [biological warfare] weapons quickly. ISG found no direct evidence that Iraq, after 1996, had plans for a new BW program or was conducting BW-specific work for military purposes."

Experts from the three nations failed to document any existent biological or nuclear weapons and discovered only a few random chemical weapons. The ISG concluded that contrary to what most of the world had believed, Iraq had abandoned attempts to produce WMDs. In his congressional testimony, the head of the ISG, Charles Duelfer, admitted, "We were almost all wrong" on Iraq.

The ISG report was sufficient to convince the Bush administration that there were no WMDs to be found; they called off the search in 2005. If that doesn’t convince your friends, we’re not sure what else might do the trick. Anyone who believes something without any positive evidence and in the face of evidence to the contrary is no longer acting on the basis of reason.

-Joe Miller

Sources

CNN. "Official: U.S. Calls off Search for Iraqi WMDs." CNN.com, 12 Jan. 2005.

Iraq Survey Group. "Iraq Survey Group Final Report." 30 Sept. 2004. GlobalSecurity.org, 14 Feb. 2008.

Priest, Dana and Walter Pincus. "U.S. ‘Almost All Wrong’ on Weapons." The Washington Post, 7 Oct. 2004.
**Factcheck time** br br No WMDs in Iraq br br ... (show quote)


So, Hillary and Bill Clinton, John Kerry, Ted Kennedy, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi also lied - or were they merely mistaken and only Bush lied. Go back and talk with the folks who claim Obama is a Muslim born in Kenya - they are your intellectual equivalents and leave adult conversation to those of us not receiving signals in our dental fillings.

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Nov 18, 2014 15:37:31   #
Radiance3
 
KHH1 wrote:
**PEOPLE HAVE EVOLVED...THEY KNOW HOW TO BE AGAINST A WAR BUT NOT AGAINST THE TROOPS**

WHEN i WENT HOME TO HOUSTON (ONE OF THE FEW TIMES I FLEW INTO INTERCONTINENTAL-NOW CALLED BUSH), I SAW A BUNCH OF YOUNG VETERANS, WHITE KIDS WITH LIMBS MISSING...I WAS SADDENDED AND INFURIATED AT THE SAME TIME...TAKING ADVANTAGE OF PATRIOTISM....AND "W" KNEW AFTER 9-11, THAT NO ONE WOULD GO AGAINST THIS COUNTRY, REGARDLESS OF PARTY AFFILIATION DUE TO PAIN AND GRIEF...AND THE CONSERVS TURN AROUND AND THROW THAT IN THE FACE OF LIBERALS AFTER WE WERE LIED TO...MY HEART GOES OUT TO THE FAMILY OF THIS BRAVE SOLDIER
**PEOPLE HAVE EVOLVED...THEY KNOW HOW TO BE AGAINS... (show quote)


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"We were lied to?" What do you think about your president doing to us every day, except lying, deceiving, harassing like IRS political opponents. What do you think of ObamaCare, how was it conceived and sold to the American people in make believe but so destructive, fraudulent, deceptive. Any contract like that must be UNENFORCEABLE in the rule of law. It is illegal!

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Nov 18, 2014 15:57:06   #
Eenurah
 
KHH1 wrote:
**Factcheck time**

No WMDs in Iraq


Q: Were there really weapons of mass destruction in Iraq when the U.S. invaded in 2003?

A: No. The Iraq Survey Group determined that Iraq had abandoned its quest to develop chemical, biological and nuclear weapons and that it had already destroyed all of its existing stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons.


Sources

CNN. "Official: U.S. Calls off Search for Iraqi WMDs." CNN.com, 12 Jan. 2005.

Iraq Survey Group. "Iraq Survey Group Final Report." 30 Sept. 2004. GlobalSecurity.org, 14 Feb. 2008.

Priest, Dana and Walter Pincus. "U.S. ‘Almost All Wrong’ on Weapons." The Washington Post, 7 Oct. 2004.
**Factcheck time** br br No WMDs in Iraq br br ... (show quote)


After a decade of lies, the t***h comes out:

NY Times' article "The Secret Casualties of Iraq’s Abandoned Chemical Weapons" (http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/14/world/middleeast/us-casualties-of-iraq-chemical-weapons.html?_r=0)

From 2004 to 2011, American and American-trained Iraqi troops repeatedly encountered, and on at least six occasions were wounded by, chemical weapons remaining from years earlier in Saddam Hussein’s rule.

In all, American troops secretly reported finding roughly 5,000 chemical warheads, shells or aviation bombs, according to interviews with dozens of participants, Iraqi and American officials, and heavily redacted intelligence documents obtained under the Freedom of Information Act.


Townhall's article "Why the world did not know about WMD in Iraq"(http://townhall.com/columnists/carterandress/2014/11/18/why-the-world-did-not-know-about-wmd-in-iraq-n1920136/page/full)

After U.S. Central Command called on us to help t***sport, from Iraq, enough yellowcake uranium to make several atomic bombs stored at Saddam’s nuclear weapons complex, I realized why neither the Pentagon nor the White House advertised the presence of this WMD precursor: safety and security.

Before the U.S. military moved in to secure the facility after the 2003 invasion, l**ters had been there first. Even though the universally recognized yellow-and-black radioactivity warnings were posted on the bunkers, locals had ripped open the storage areas and stolen casks of yellowcake with many sickened as a result. More importantly, we did not want the insurgents alerted to the exposed stockpile as they might attack the facility.


For those who have eyes to see, ears to hear, and brain to think, the t***h is always out there.

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Nov 18, 2014 16:39:13   #
Radiance3
 
Eenurah wrote:
After a decade of lies, the t***h comes out:

NY Times' article "The Secret Casualties of Iraq’s Abandoned Chemical Weapons" (http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/14/world/middleeast/us-casualties-of-iraq-chemical-weapons.html?_r=0)

From 2004 to 2011, American and American-trained Iraqi troops repeatedly encountered, and on at least six occasions were wounded by, chemical weapons remaining from years earlier in Saddam Hussein’s rule.

In all, American troops secretly reported finding roughly 5,000 chemical warheads, shells or aviation bombs, according to interviews with dozens of participants, Iraqi and American officials, and heavily redacted intelligence documents obtained under the Freedom of Information Act.


Townhall's article "Why the world did not know about WMD in Iraq"(http://townhall.com/columnists/carterandress/2014/11/18/why-the-world-did-not-know-about-wmd-in-iraq-n1920136/page/full)

After U.S. Central Command called on us to help t***sport, from Iraq, enough yellowcake uranium to make several atomic bombs stored at Saddam’s nuclear weapons complex, I realized why neither the Pentagon nor the White House advertised the presence of this WMD precursor: safety and security.

Before the U.S. military moved in to secure the facility after the 2003 invasion, l**ters had been there first. Even though the universally recognized yellow-and-black radioactivity warnings were posted on the bunkers, locals had ripped open the storage areas and stolen casks of yellowcake with many sickened as a result. More importantly, we did not want the insurgents alerted to the exposed stockpile as they might attack the facility.


For those who have eyes to see, ears to hear, and brain to think, the t***h is always out there.
After a decade of lies, the t***h comes out: br b... (show quote)


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Did you read that KHH1? And WMD was used in Iraq against the Kurds even before the US forces came. Millions of Iraqi Kurds died due to the WMD of Sadam. Sadam's WMD were hidden in various place, some of them were t***sported to Syria. Now, do you believe Saddam was innocent? Saddam in cahoots with the corrupt UN officials, l**ted the UN funding intended for the poor Iraqis abandoned by Saddam. Most of those money were from the US contributions. Then Saddam built several mansions, where his 2 male sons raped, k**led, and abused the IRAQI women. Then his two sons threw those women they k**led to the Lions den they raise in their compound. Saddam participated in training the forces of Al Qaeda in Iraq.

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Nov 18, 2014 17:06:31   #
Hemiman Loc: Communist California
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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Did you read that KHH1? And WMD was used in Iraq against the Kurds even before the US forces came. Millions of Iraqi Kurds died due to the WMD of Sadam. Sadam's WMD were hidden in various place, some of them were t***sported to Syria. Now, do you believe Saddam was innocent? Saddam in cahoots with the corrupt UN officials, l**ted the UN funding intended for the poor Iraqis abandoned by Saddam. Most of those money were from the US contributions. Then Saddam built several mansions, where his 2 male sons raped, k**led, and abused the IRAQI women. Then his two sons threw those women they k**led to the Lions den they raise in their compound. Saddam participated in training the forces of Al Qaeda in Iraq.
=================== br Did you read that KHH1? And... (show quote)


KH(knot head)only reads Democrate talking points,he is a paid troll.

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Nov 19, 2014 14:09:32   #
SeniorVerdad
 
Artemis wrote:
A letter worth reading,

• NOVEMBER 16, 2014
Article Abstract:
Submitted by Mike Krieger via Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,
Last March, I came across a letter written to George W. Bush and Dick Cheney from a paralyzed and dying Iraq war vet named Tomas Young. It touched me to such an extent, that I highlighted it on Liberty Blitzkrieg at the time. He died on Monday, the day before Veterans Day. If you really want to honor our nation’s soldiers, you should read the following and share it.
RIP Tomas Young.


Full letter below, from Counterpunch.
My Last Words to George W. Bush and Dick Cheney
by TOMAS YOUNG

I write this letter on the 10th anniversary of the Iraq War on behalf of my fellow Iraq War veterans. I write this letter on behalf of the 4,488 soldiers and Marines who died in Iraq. I write this letter on behalf of the hundreds of thousands of veterans who have been wounded and on behalf of those whose wounds, physical and psychological, have destroyed their lives. I am one of those gravely wounded. I was paralyzed in an insurgent ambush in 2004 in Sadr City. My life is coming to an end. I am living under hospice care.

I write this letter on behalf of husbands and wives who have lost spouses, on behalf of children who have lost a parent, on behalf of the fathers and mothers who have lost sons and daughters and on behalf of those who care for the many thousands of my fellow veterans who have brain injuries. I write this letter on behalf of those veterans whose trauma and self-revulsion for what they have witnessed, endured and done in Iraq have led to suicide and on behalf of the active-duty soldiers and Marines who commit, on average, a suicide a day. I write this letter on behalf of the some 1 million Iraqi dead and on behalf of the countless Iraqi wounded. I write this letter on behalf of us all—the human detritus your war has left behind, those who will spend their lives in unending pain and grief.

I write this letter, my last letter, to you, Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney. I write not because I think you grasp the terrible human and moral consequences of your lies, manipulation and thirst for wealth and power. I write this letter because, before my own death, I want to make it clear that I, and hundreds of thousands of my fellow veterans, along with millions of my fellow citizens, along with hundreds of millions more in Iraq and the Middle East, know fully who you are and what you have done. You may evade justice but in our eyes you are each guilty of egregious war crimes, of plunder and, finally, of murder, including the murder of thousands of young Americans—my fellow veterans—whose future you stole.

Your positions of authority, your millions of dollars of personal wealth, your public relations consultants, your privilege and your power cannot mask the hollowness of your character. You sent us to fight and die in Iraq after you, Mr. Cheney, dodged the draft in Vietnam, and you, Mr. Bush, went AWOL from your National Guard unit. Your cowardice and selfishness were established decades ago. You were not willing to risk yourselves for our nation but you sent hundreds of thousands of young men and women to be sacrificed in a senseless war with no more thought than it takes to put out the garbage.

I joined the Army two days after the 9/11 attacks. I joined the Army because our country had been attacked. I wanted to strike back at those who had k**led some 3,000 of my fellow citizens. I did not join the Army to go to Iraq, a country that had no part in the September 2001 attacks and did not pose a threat to its neighbors, much less to the United States. I did not join the Army to “liberate” Iraqis or to shut down mythical weapons-of-mass-destruction facilities or to implant what you cynically called “democracy” in Baghdad and the Middle East. I did not join the Army to rebuild Iraq, which at the time you told us could be paid for by Iraq’s oil revenues. Instead, this war has cost the United States over $3 trillion. I especially did not join the Army to carry out pre-emptive war. Pre-emptive war is illegal under international law. And as a soldier in Iraq I was, I now know, abetting your idiocy and your crimes. The Iraq War is the largest strategic blunder in U.S. history. It obliterated the balance of power in the Middle East. It installed a corrupt and brutal pro-Iranian government in Baghdad, one cemented in power through the use of torture, death squads and terror. And it has left Iran as the dominant force in the region. On every level—moral, strategic, military and economic—Iraq was a failure. And it was you, Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney, who started this war. It is you who should pay the consequences.

I would not be writing this letter if I had been wounded fighting in Afghanistan against those forces that carried out the attacks of 9/11. Had I been wounded there I would still be miserable because of my physical deterioration and imminent death, but I would at least have the comfort of knowing that my injuries were a consequence of my own decision to defend the country I love. I would not have to lie in my bed, my body filled with paink**lers, my life ebbing away, and deal with the fact that hundreds of thousands of human beings, including children, including myself, were sacrificed by you for little more than the greed of oil companies, for your alliance with the oil sheiks in Saudi Arabia, and your insane visions of empire.

I have, like many other disabled veterans, suffered from the inadequate and often inept care provided by the Veterans Administration. I have, like many other disabled veterans, come to realize that our mental and physical wounds are of no interest to you, perhaps of no interest to any politician. We were used. We were betrayed. And we have been abandoned. You, Mr. Bush, make much pretense of being a Christian. But isn’t lying a sin? Isn’t murder a sin? Aren’t theft and selfish ambition sins? I am not a Christian. But I believe in the Christian ideal. I believe that what you do to the least of your brothers you finally do to yourself, to your own soul.

My day of reckoning is upon me. Yours will come. I hope you will be put on trial. But mostly I hope, for your sakes, that you find the moral courage to face what you have done to me and to many, many others who deserved to live. I hope that before your time on earth ends, as mine is now ending, you will find the strength of character to stand before the American public and the world, and in particular the Iraqi people, and beg for forgiveness.

-Tomas Young
What’s so impressive about this letter, beyond the incredible emotion and pain behind it, is the fact that Mr. Young was so prescient about so many issues. He highlighted the debacle that became the Veterans Administration scandal before it broke, and he also pointed to the dangerous power vacuum created in Baghdad before the emergence of ISIS. We lost a special soul on Monday.
A letter worth reading, br br • NOVEMBER 16, 2014... (show quote)


Blessings to my Brother! You have gone home! "He will wipe away all your sorrows and tears"... The real t***h about the Vietnam War has never really come to light(it originally had to do with poppy fields in Laos)(spread of C*******m-bogus!) and I wonder if the whole t***h about Iraq(WMD's-bogus) and Afghanistan(lots of poppies there too) will ever come to light. Have wars always been about money and profit? I wonder!

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Nov 19, 2014 14:53:13   #
rocketride
 
Dave wrote:
The use of capital letters does not change the fact that if there were lies told regarding Iraq, liberal Democrats were as guilty as conservative Republicans - and telling veterans they fought for a lie is wrong on every imaginable level -


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When it comes down to it, a progressive republican is little, if any, better than a progressive democrat.

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Nov 19, 2014 15:09:59   #
arvadaian
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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Since history begun, wars had been turbulent witnesses of their survival. The Civil Wars, the WW1, and WW2, Vietnam, Korean war, and now the Islam war. Without fighting these wars, we human being won't be able to continue our human existence under they tyrannies of these evil people. The most important reasons for fighting is defending our freedom, and liberty, without it is just sub-human existence to the point of no return.

Those who volunteered defending our country are heroes. Our Constitution requires us leaders to exercise their most prudent judgment in order to protect us.

War in Iraq likewise was approved by Congress, a policy that is embedded in our constitution. My husband died as a result of illness he got from the Vietnam war. But he did not recent his service. he was proud to be an American, and did not blame the presidents and military leaders who also offered their lives for similar reasons.

Millions upon millions of service men and women died for our freedom. This is the first time I heard this regrets and disdain for serving the war.
I suggest that if you don't like to preserve our freedom, please don't join the war. For one in a million, 2% of those who served complained. I would support the 98%.
I thanked them for their service. If I give up my life for my country, I give it up with sincerity in my heart.
The most dreadful thing however was the veterans were denied of medical care by the VA hospitals, while those officials and employees had been raking millions of dollars for bonuses, and annual salary increases while the veterans died waiting for medical care.
Of course liberals and democrats' brain are so different. They'd rather embrace ISIS, now they are here in our country, beheading our fellow Americans, let them takeover our land, and follow them. Birds of the same feather flock together.
I honor all those who served. From George Washington down to the presidency of George W. Bush. Defend our freedom, and let freedom ring! May God bless America and all those who served and their families. Thank you!
================================ br Since history ... (show quote)


I have read a lot of things by a lot of people about that war and have never read anything by anyone that struck me as more patriotic.

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Nov 21, 2014 08:10:19   #
Artemis
 
SeniorVerdad wrote:
Blessings to my Brother! You have gone home! "He will wipe away all your sorrows and tears"... The real t***h about the Vietnam War has never really come to light(it originally had to do with poppy fields in Laos)(spread of C*******m-bogus!) and I wonder if the whole t***h about Iraq(WMD's-bogus) and Afghanistan(lots of poppies there too) will ever come to light. Have wars always been about money and profit? I wonder!



Thank you SeniorV, this is at the crux of the real issue. Wars have been fought for valiant reasons, to protect our country and freedom and to help and protect others, but all through history we can find wars fought for material gain and for that no one should sacrifice their life.
Now it is more difficult than ever with false information and intentional misrepresentation for the people to truly know if it is a worthy war to sacrifice lives for.
The industrial military complex is at the wheel of America that Eisenhower warned us of, we, all of us, need to be more active to demand the t***h from the people who are in office. We spend to much time and money getting people in and out of office.

No one wants to tell a soldier he/she fought for an unjust cause, that is why we have to be sure from the very beginning, before we ever go in.

Those types of wars wound and k**l our people put us into debt, and line the pockets of the war profiteers that have always existed. It will continue if we allow it to. Or have we already lost all control?

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Nov 23, 2014 20:25:12   #
SeniorVerdad
 
Artemis wrote:
Thank you SeniorV, this is at the crux of the real issue. Wars have been fought for valiant reasons, to protect our country and freedom and to help and protect others, but all through history we can find wars fought for material gain and for that no one should sacrifice their life.
Now it is more difficult than ever with false information and intentional misrepresentation for the people to truly know if it is a worthy war to sacrifice lives for.
The industrial military complex is at the wheel of America that Eisenhower warned us of, we, all of us, need to be more active to demand the t***h from the people who are in office. We spend to much time and money getting people in and out of office.

No one wants to tell a soldier he/she fought for an unjust cause, that is why we have to be sure from the very beginning, before we ever go in.

Those types of wars wound and k**l our people put us into debt, and line the pockets of the war profiteers that have always existed. It will continue if we allow it to. Or have we already lost all control?
Thank you SeniorV, this is at the crux of the real... (show quote)


The key here is for people to get involved in the political process. Contact your local representative and Senators. I was appalled when I found out that the vast majority of those who v**ed in favor of the ACA(Obummercare) hadn't even read the law which was over 2000 pages long. Mrs. Pelosi's comment about "having to pass the law so we can read what is in it" was one of the dumbest things I ever heard a politician say.

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Nov 23, 2014 21:59:41   #
Radiance3
 
Artemis wrote:
Thank you SeniorV, this is at the crux of the real issue. Wars have been fought for valiant reasons, to protect our country and freedom and to help and protect others, but all through history we can find wars fought for material gain and for that no one should sacrifice their life.
Now it is more difficult than ever with false information and intentional misrepresentation for the people to truly know if it is a worthy war to sacrifice lives for.
The industrial military complex is at the wheel of America that Eisenhower warned us of, we, all of us, need to be more active to demand the t***h from the people who are in office. We spend to much time and money getting people in and out of office.

No one wants to tell a soldier he/she fought for an unjust cause, that is why we have to be sure from the very beginning, before we ever go in.

Those types of wars wound and k**l our people put us into debt, and line the pockets of the war profiteers that have always existed. It will continue if we allow it to. Or have we already lost all control?
Thank you SeniorV, this is at the crux of the real... (show quote)


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Wars has been existing since the biblical ages. What were they fighting for? There is that one very important part of human survival. It is called FREEDOM! Our liberty that you and I now enjoy, couldn't have survived without our men and women who gave up their lives and sacrifices. That is why c*******m and Marxism are not welcome in our democratic society. We have WW1, and WW2, even during the Civil war, freedom was born. We fought for Vietnam, Korea, the Desert Storm, the Iraq war, and now the Islam war. The latest is the most dreadful and violent because it is a war about ideology. That all must submit to their own satanic ideology of Islam. Otherwise, your head will be cut off. Islam's standard means of k*****g those who don't obey. These are all wars that affect the peace and stability of the world. If it affects the world, then USA as one civilized nation must defend freedom because time will come that these evil ideology will rightfully posses our very own well being, forces us into submission to live according to their evil ways. Do you belong to this ideology, and have proclaimed that Islam is a religion of peace?
America, do you like evil ways, and therefore you don't like to fight and defend your freedom because it cost money and lives?

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Nov 25, 2014 15:20:52   #
SeniorVerdad
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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Wars has been existing since the biblical ages. What were they fighting for? There is that one very important part of human survival. It is called FREEDOM! Our liberty that you and I now enjoy, couldn't have survived without our men and women who gave up their lives and sacrifices. That is why c*******m and Marxism are not welcome in our democratic society. We have WW1, and WW2, even during the Civil war, freedom was born. We fought for Vietnam, Korea, the Desert Storm, the Iraq war, and now the Islam war. The latest is the most dreadful and violent because it is a war about ideology. That all must submit to their own satanic ideology of Islam. Otherwise, your head will be cut off. Islam's standard means of k*****g those who don't obey. These are all wars that affect the peace and stability of the world. If it affects the world, then USA as one civilized nation must defend freedom because time will come that these evil ideology will rightfully posses our very own well being, forces us into submission to live according to their evil ways. Do you belong to this ideology, and have proclaimed that Islam is a religion of peace?
America, do you like evil ways, and therefore you don't like to fight and defend your freedom because it cost money and lives?
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Fighting to protect your country, your loved ones, and even to protect those unable to protect themselves is a noble thing but sending young(even the not so young these days) men and women into combat with the ultimate purpose of financial gain(and not for those doing the fighting) is downright d********g and immoral. As for Islam, we as a country must be very weary of any attempt to supplant out Constitutional way of life with a system of justice where there is no room for mercy and people are more driven by fear of reprisal if they don't toe the line or speak anything that opposes that train of thought.

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Nov 25, 2014 15:38:48   #
Radiance3
 
SeniorVerdad wrote:
Fighting to protect your country, your loved ones, and even to protect those unable to protect themselves is a noble thing but sending young(even the not so young these days) men and women into combat with the ultimate purpose of financial gain(and not for those doing the fighting) is downright d********g and immoral. As for Islam, we as a country must be very weary of any attempt to supplant out Constitutional way of life with a system of justice where there is no room for mercy and people are more driven by fear of reprisal if they don't toe the line or speak anything that opposes that train of thought.
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============Freedom is beyond the cost of financial gain. There is no amount of money that could replace the freedom and liberty we all have in our lives. Islam and its soldiers won't give us the freedom once they possess us. They will force us to submission, or else cut off our heads as what they are doing now to Christians, and their own people who don't obey. Women are treated worst than s***es. Females are made ignorant and s***es to the men who fight. It is an ideology of violence. It is satanic! That is what we and the whole world are facing now. This needs to be stopped!

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Nov 25, 2014 15:52:11   #
America Only Loc: From the right hand of God
 
KHH1 wrote:
**Factcheck time**

No WMDs in Iraq


Q: Were there really weapons of mass destruction in Iraq when the U.S. invaded in 2003?

A: No. The Iraq Survey Group determined that Iraq had abandoned its quest to develop chemical, biological and nuclear weapons and that it had already destroyed all of its existing stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons.


FULL QUESTION

I have friends in Texas, Seattle and Tennessee who say President Bush was right that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. They claim that the weapons were hidden in caves in the mountains, and are still hidden there, but we have not found them yet. Where did they get such ideas, and is there even the slightest chance they are right, and if so why wouldn’t Bush have said this? How did such a belief get started, and is there a way I can dispel them of the idea?

FULL ANSWER


As for how you dispel your friends’ notions that Iraq really did have stockpiles of chemical or biological weapons when President Bush no longer makes such claims himself, we suggest ridicule. If that doesn’t work, you may be out of luck.

After the invasion of Iraq in 2003, the Bush administration formed the Iraq Survey Group and tasked it with the job of locating WMD stockpiles in Iraq. The ISG was staffed with hundreds of intelligence analysts and military personnel from the United States, the United Kingdom and Australia. The group scoured Iraq, searching for deposits of weapons. But that was actually only part of the ISG’s focus.

According to the ISG final report, the search for WMDs actually began during the invasion phase of Operation Iraqi Freedom. A military task force was deployed to investigate suspected WMD sites on the theory that the Iraqi military might otherwise employ those weapons against coalition troops. After the invasion, the ISG was established to conduct "a more systematic collection of evidence to build an understanding of Iraqi WMD programs." In other words, the ISG did not simply look for WMDs. The group also looked at Iraq’s WMD capabilities and examined evidence relating to past WMD stockpiles.

During its investigation, the ISG reported that "[a] total of 53 munitions have been recovered, all of which appear to have been part of pre-1991 Gulf war stocks based on their physical condition and residual components." These isolated discoveries received significant media attention, and it’s likely that these overhyped reports contributed to your friends’ beliefs that Iraq really did possess WMDs. But the finds were rare, and the ISG concluded that they were not part of a significant stockpile of weapons. Indeed, after nearly two years of investigation, the ISG concluded that:
&#9632;"Saddam Husayn ended the nuclear program in 1991 following the Gulf war. ISG found no evidence to suggest concerted efforts to restart the program."
&#9632;"While a small number of old, abandoned chemical munitions have been discovered, ISG judges that Iraq unilaterally destroyed its undeclared chemical weapons stockpile in 1991. There are no credible indications that Baghdad resumed production of chemical munitions thereafter."
&#9632;"In practical terms, with the destruction of the Al Hakam facility, Iraq abandoned its ambition to obtain advanced BW [biological warfare] weapons quickly. ISG found no direct evidence that Iraq, after 1996, had plans for a new BW program or was conducting BW-specific work for military purposes."

Experts from the three nations failed to document any existent biological or nuclear weapons and discovered only a few random chemical weapons. The ISG concluded that contrary to what most of the world had believed, Iraq had abandoned attempts to produce WMDs. In his congressional testimony, the head of the ISG, Charles Duelfer, admitted, "We were almost all wrong" on Iraq.

The ISG report was sufficient to convince the Bush administration that there were no WMDs to be found; they called off the search in 2005. If that doesn’t convince your friends, we’re not sure what else might do the trick. Anyone who believes something without any positive evidence and in the face of evidence to the contrary is no longer acting on the basis of reason.

-Joe Miller

Sources

CNN. "Official: U.S. Calls off Search for Iraqi WMDs." CNN.com, 12 Jan. 2005.

Iraq Survey Group. "Iraq Survey Group Final Report." 30 Sept. 2004. GlobalSecurity.org, 14 Feb. 2008.

Priest, Dana and Walter Pincus. "U.S. ‘Almost All Wrong’ on Weapons." The Washington Post, 7 Oct. 2004.
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Liar liar pants on fire....they have been finding WMD for some time now...and unlike your pea sized brain, everything they find has lot numbers and issuance tracking information....you don't fool anyone you anti American spider monkey. Get a new organ grinder and do something constructive with your pathetic life....bongo.

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