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Nov 17, 2014 21:50:16   #
KHH1
 
NATO ally's president: Muslims discovered America


Bob Unruh joined WND in 2006 after nearly three decades with the Associated Press, as well as several Upper Midwest newspapers, where he covered everything from legislative battles and sports to tornadoes and homicidal survivalists. He is also a photographer whose scenic work has been used commercially.


Some historians and political observers were surprised over the weekend when Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, chief of America’s NATO ally, said Muslims discovered the Americas more than 300 years before Christopher Columbus.


But the Islamic leader was doing nothing more than stating publicly what Islamic historians have said, including some who believe Native Americans who spoke Arabic greeted Muslim adventurers hundreds of years before the Nina, Pinta and Santa Maria sailed.

Among those reporting Erdogan’s statement was the BBC, which noted his AK Party “is rooted in political Islam.”

Erdogan said, “Muslim sailors arrived in America in 1178,” but BBC said he “gave no further evidence to back up this theory.”

Most historians credit Columbus with making known the Americas to the European and Middle East worlds after his 1492 voyage in the three ships.

Erdogan cited a reference to Columbus saying, “A mosque would go perfectly on the hill today,” referring to a location in Cuba. The citation is based on a 1996 article by historian Youssef Mroueh, who said Columbus referred to a mosque on his arrival in the New World.

The BBC, however, said scholars believe the statement was metaphorical, and the report noted no Islamic structures have been found in America that pre-date Columbus.

But Lost Islamic History, a blog run by Firas Alkh**eeb, a teacher of Islamic history in Bridgeview, Illinois, states: “Knowing that the earth was round, and knowing its size to a very good degree of accuracy (without the modern technology we have today), some intrepid Muslims must have attempted to go around the world, hundreds of years before Columbus.”

The site says the “great Muslim historian and geographer, Abu al-Hasan al-Masudi wrote in 956 of a voyage in 889 from al-Andalus (Muslim Spain).”

“The voyage sailed for months westward. They eventually found a large landmass across the ocean where they traded with the natives, and then returned to Europe. Al-Masudi records this land across the ocean in his famous map and refers to it as ‘the unknown land.’”

The blogger says another Muslim voyage to the New World was made in 999 and a third in the 1100s.

Explorer al-Idrisi “wrote of a group of Muslims who sailed west from Lisbon for 31 days and landed on an island in the Caribbean.”

“They were taken prisoner by the native Americans on that island for a few days. Eventually, they were freed when a t***slator who lived among the natives that spoke Arabic arranged for their release.”

The site also claims Muslims from West Africa made the trip to the New World before Columbus.

“During his reign, Abu Bakr sent a fleet of 400 ships to explore the Atlantic Ocean. Only 1 ship returned, but reported that they found a land across the ocean. Mansa Abu Bakr then outfitted a fleet of 2,000 ships, which he sailed with personally, that sailed west into the ocean. They were never heard from again.”

Further, the site claims there are inscriptions in Arizona describing how sick the Muslims’ elephants were, and others near the Mississippi recording Muslims’ exploration of America.

“Once he got to the Americas, Columbus records numerous examples of Muslims already present. He commented on the gold that the natives had, which was made the same way, in the same alloy, as the Muslims of West Africa,” the report says.

“Clearly, the theory that Columbus discovered America is nothing but an old tale that has not stood the test of time,” one reference says.

The World Bulletin, an online source from Istanbul edited by Akif Emre, Cigdem Akti, Artan Karpazli and others, says: “According to [History Today], Abu Raihan al-Biruni, who was born in the year 973 in what is today known as Uzbekistan, was the first person to officially suggest that an undiscovered landmass in the ocean between the Europe and Asia actually existed.

“Al-Biruni was of the few people in that time that actually accurately estimated that the earth was round. His teacher al-Farghani had also estimated that the earth was indeed round, and did surprisingly well to provide a near-accurate measurement of the earth’s circumference, which Columbus himself also used as a basis for his own explorations. However, Columbus failed to note that al-Farghani had given the measurement in Arab miles rather than Roman miles, leading him to grossly underestimate the distance of his journey. Furthermore, Columbus had no intention of discovering the Americas when he set sail, as he assumed that his travels would take him directly from Europe to Asia,” the sponsored site says.

“Al-Biruni was the first person from the known world to officially claim the so called ‘new world’ existed,” the report says.

Most historians, however, say Scandinavians likely were the first from the Old World to arrive in what later became North and South America – some 500 years before Columbus.

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2014/11/nato-allys-president-muslims-discovered-america/#wIEgfRH4MeH8PZTD.99

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Nov 17, 2014 21:59:20   #
Had enough
 
KHH1 wrote:
NATO ally's president: Muslims discovered America


Bob Unruh joined WND in 2006 after nearly three decades with the Associated Press, as well as several Upper Midwest newspapers, where he covered everything from legislative battles and sports to tornadoes and homicidal survivalists. He is also a photographer whose scenic work has been used commercially.


Some historians and political observers were surprised over the weekend when Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, chief of America’s NATO ally, said Muslims discovered the Americas more than 300 years before Christopher Columbus.


But the Islamic leader was doing nothing more than stating publicly what Islamic historians have said, including some who believe Native Americans who spoke Arabic greeted Muslim adventurers hundreds of years before the Nina, Pinta and Santa Maria sailed.

Among those reporting Erdogan’s statement was the BBC, which noted his AK Party “is rooted in political Islam.”

Erdogan said, “Muslim sailors arrived in America in 1178,” but BBC said he “gave no further evidence to back up this theory.”

Most historians credit Columbus with making known the Americas to the European and Middle East worlds after his 1492 voyage in the three ships.

Erdogan cited a reference to Columbus saying, “A mosque would go perfectly on the hill today,” referring to a location in Cuba. The citation is based on a 1996 article by historian Youssef Mroueh, who said Columbus referred to a mosque on his arrival in the New World.

The BBC, however, said scholars believe the statement was metaphorical, and the report noted no Islamic structures have been found in America that pre-date Columbus.

But Lost Islamic History, a blog run by Firas Alkh**eeb, a teacher of Islamic history in Bridgeview, Illinois, states: “Knowing that the earth was round, and knowing its size to a very good degree of accuracy (without the modern technology we have today), some intrepid Muslims must have attempted to go around the world, hundreds of years before Columbus.”

The site says the “great Muslim historian and geographer, Abu al-Hasan al-Masudi wrote in 956 of a voyage in 889 from al-Andalus (Muslim Spain).”

“The voyage sailed for months westward. They eventually found a large landmass across the ocean where they traded with the natives, and then returned to Europe. Al-Masudi records this land across the ocean in his famous map and refers to it as ‘the unknown land.’”

The blogger says another Muslim voyage to the New World was made in 999 and a third in the 1100s.

Explorer al-Idrisi “wrote of a group of Muslims who sailed west from Lisbon for 31 days and landed on an island in the Caribbean.”

“They were taken prisoner by the native Americans on that island for a few days. Eventually, they were freed when a t***slator who lived among the natives that spoke Arabic arranged for their release.”

The site also claims Muslims from West Africa made the trip to the New World before Columbus.

“During his reign, Abu Bakr sent a fleet of 400 ships to explore the Atlantic Ocean. Only 1 ship returned, but reported that they found a land across the ocean. Mansa Abu Bakr then outfitted a fleet of 2,000 ships, which he sailed with personally, that sailed west into the ocean. They were never heard from again.”

Further, the site claims there are inscriptions in Arizona describing how sick the Muslims’ elephants were, and others near the Mississippi recording Muslims’ exploration of America.

“Once he got to the Americas, Columbus records numerous examples of Muslims already present. He commented on the gold that the natives had, which was made the same way, in the same alloy, as the Muslims of West Africa,” the report says.

“Clearly, the theory that Columbus discovered America is nothing but an old tale that has not stood the test of time,” one reference says.

The World Bulletin, an online source from Istanbul edited by Akif Emre, Cigdem Akti, Artan Karpazli and others, says: “According to [History Today], Abu Raihan al-Biruni, who was born in the year 973 in what is today known as Uzbekistan, was the first person to officially suggest that an undiscovered landmass in the ocean between the Europe and Asia actually existed.

“Al-Biruni was of the few people in that time that actually accurately estimated that the earth was round. His teacher al-Farghani had also estimated that the earth was indeed round, and did surprisingly well to provide a near-accurate measurement of the earth’s circumference, which Columbus himself also used as a basis for his own explorations. However, Columbus failed to note that al-Farghani had given the measurement in Arab miles rather than Roman miles, leading him to grossly underestimate the distance of his journey. Furthermore, Columbus had no intention of discovering the Americas when he set sail, as he assumed that his travels would take him directly from Europe to Asia,” the sponsored site says.

“Al-Biruni was the first person from the known world to officially claim the so called ‘new world’ existed,” the report says.

Most historians, however, say Scandinavians likely were the first from the Old World to arrive in what later became North and South America – some 500 years before Columbus.

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2014/11/nato-allys-president-muslims-discovered-america/#wIEgfRH4MeH8PZTD.99
NATO ally's president: Muslims discovered America ... (show quote)



What's this got to do with Righties? Also, who cares!?!?! They can't claim it now!!

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Nov 17, 2014 22:08:25   #
Vacaman
 
The ancient Chinese were likely here as well but I do not believe a word of this story, they sent 400 ships my ass. They likely discovered Atlanits and the great Muhammed couldn't get a room so he sank her by command of Gabriel who convinced him he was a deity himself. Islam, Is Simply Lies And Manipulation.
I heard Muhammed actually named all of the stars too.

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Nov 17, 2014 22:12:50   #
Hemiman Loc: Communist California
 
That's good, you should support your culture.

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Nov 17, 2014 22:17:57   #
W8_4_It
 
Had enough wrote:
What's this got to do with Righties? Also, who cares!?!?! They can't claim it now!!


Yeah. I was thinking the same thing. Vikings, Turks, Egyptians, to quote a lefty "What difference does it make?"

Plus there is this little matter.

How the heck can you claim you discovered MY home?
How the heck can you claim you discovered MY home?...

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Nov 17, 2014 22:47:46   #
Lil Willie Loc: Zero Beach Floridian
 
KKH1, how in Allah's name did you conjure such malarikey??

No question in my mind you a real nut case and need a little psychologist's care. Not even a valid argument. Go crawl in your hole and stay there. Quit wasting our time!!!!

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Nov 18, 2014 00:46:28   #
EconomistDon
 
KHH1 wrote:

Bob Unruh joined WND in 2006 after nearly three decades with the Associated Press, as well as several Upper Midwest newspapers, where he covered everything from legislative battles and sports to tornadoes and homicidal survivalists. He is also a photographer whose scenic work has been used commercially.

Some historians and political observers were surprised over the weekend when Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, chief of America’s NATO ally, said Muslims discovered the Americas more than 300 years before Christopher Columbus.
br Bob Unruh joined WND in 2006 after nearly thre... (show quote)


WOW, this is right out of fantasy land. Muslims never created or discovered anything. They just rape, k**l, and plunder. Since 637 AD when they came out of Arabia, they have been nothing more than ignorant barbarians.

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Nov 18, 2014 00:57:14   #
Vacaman
 
EconomistDon wrote:
WOW, this is right out of fantasy land. Muslims never created or discovered anything. They just rape, k**l, and plunder. Since 637 AD when they came out of Arabia, they have been nothing more than ignorant barbarians.


The Quran that Muhammad dictated clearly states in many places that Allah is the greatest c***ter, s**mer, illusionist and liar among them all. From The Quran 8:17, we get
confirmed that Allha is all muslims since Islam and the Quran requires that all muslims in reality are obliged to emulate Muhammad since he created Allha and because 90% of the Quran is about Muhammad and only 10% of Allah. It is therefore easy to understand why muslims cultivates what's in the Koran. Muhammad = Allha = muslims. Which gives us the explanation of why all muslims support the lies, deception, illusion, terror, murder of people, threats, s***ery and oppression to take over the world and exterminate all other belief systems. 1400 years of Islamic barbaric war history shows the same.

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Nov 18, 2014 06:02:00   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
Vacaman wrote:
The ancient Chinese were likely here as well but I do not believe a word of this story, they sent 400 ships my ass. They likely discovered Atlanits and the great Muhammed couldn't get a room so he sank her by command of Gabriel who convinced him he was a deity himself. Islam, Is Simply Lies And Manipulation.
I heard Muhammed actually named all of the stars too.


There is a growing body of evidence suggesting that at least some Ice Age Europeans migrated to North America 10,000-12,000 years ago. There was an ice bridge from Europe to North American at that time. It has also been theorized that ancient Phoenicians visited North America. They definitely visited Spain, parts of France, and England. Probably Ireland also. From Ireland it is ten to fourteen days sail to Iceland, less with fair winds, about the same to Greenland, and ditto to Canada. The Phoenicians had ships that were certainly capable of far longer voyages than this. Most generally, if there is somewhere to go, a seafaring people will find a way to get there. Irish and French fishermen fished the Grand Banks as early as 950 AD, and there have been artifacts of medieval European origin discovered at Damariscove, near Boston, that confirm this. Fishermen would make semi-permanent camps to dry and salt down their catch for the return voyage. The Vikings visiting these shores before Columbus is pretty well documented.
The Chinese are rumored to have visited the West Coast of North, South and Central America, long before Columbus. It is possible that Arabs visited the "New World," also. They sailed to ports in India and China.

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Nov 18, 2014 06:47:08   #
Wolf counselor Loc: Heart of Texas
 
KHH1 wrote:
NATO ally's president: Muslims discovered America


At present, who discovered America is irrelevant .

Who it belongs to now is the relevant matter.........................................SPOOK !!!!

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Nov 18, 2014 06:53:20   #
MajorAhrens Loc: Myrtle Beach
 
Hemiman wrote:
That's good, you should support your culture.

Hemiman, if KHH1 would read an Arabic Quran he would see the stark differences in the ones the western world is spoon fed and what they really believe. Makara is one word for deception as is Taqiyya. In the Arabic Bible Makara is the word used for Satan in Gen. 3;1. The sura 3;28 tells Muslims to flatter and lie if your in a non Muslim land until you can gain the upper hand. KHH1 acts like he discovered a cure for MS with this i***tic post. And why do liberals show us they are always supporting everything that pokes America in the eye. We know they do but they continually put their ignorance out for the whole world to see. KHH, your really out there.

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Nov 18, 2014 07:16:35   #
Hemiman Loc: Communist California
 
MajorAhrens wrote:
Hemiman, if KHH1 would read an Arabic Quran he would see the stark differences in the ones the western world is spoon fed and what they really believe. Makara is one word for deception as is Taqiyya. In the Arabic Bible Makara is the word used for Satan in Gen. 3;1. The sura 3;28 tells Muslims to flatter and lie if your in a non Muslim land until you can gain the upper hand. KHH1 acts like he discovered a cure for MS with this i***tic post. And why do liberals show us they are always supporting everything that pokes America in the eye. We know they do but they continually put their ignorance out for the whole world to see. KHH, your really out there.
Hemiman, if KHH1 would read an Arabic Quran he wou... (show quote)


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Nov 18, 2014 15:07:12   #
SeniorVerdad
 
KHH1 wrote:
NATO ally's president: Muslims discovered America


Bob Unruh joined WND in 2006 after nearly three decades with the Associated Press, as well as several Upper Midwest newspapers, where he covered everything from legislative battles and sports to tornadoes and homicidal survivalists. He is also a photographer whose scenic work has been used commercially.

Well there is a group of folks who believe the American Indians were actually a group of Hebrews who came to the Americas around 700 AD and slowly migrated northward into what is presently the US.
Some historians and political observers were surprised over the weekend when Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, chief of America’s NATO ally, said Muslims discovered the Americas more than 300 years before Christopher Columbus.


But the Islamic leader was doing nothing more than stating publicly what Islamic historians have said, including some who believe Native Americans who spoke Arabic greeted Muslim adventurers hundreds of years before the Nina, Pinta and Santa Maria sailed.

Among those reporting Erdogan’s statement was the BBC, which noted his AK Party “is rooted in political Islam.”

Erdogan said, “Muslim sailors arrived in America in 1178,” but BBC said he “gave no further evidence to back up this theory.”

Most historians credit Columbus with making known the Americas to the European and Middle East worlds after his 1492 voyage in the three ships.

Erdogan cited a reference to Columbus saying, “A mosque would go perfectly on the hill today,” referring to a location in Cuba. The citation is based on a 1996 article by historian Youssef Mroueh, who said Columbus referred to a mosque on his arrival in the New World.

The BBC, however, said scholars believe the statement was metaphorical, and the report noted no Islamic structures have been found in America that pre-date Columbus.

But Lost Islamic History, a blog run by Firas Alkh**eeb, a teacher of Islamic history in Bridgeview, Illinois, states: “Knowing that the earth was round, and knowing its size to a very good degree of accuracy (without the modern technology we have today), some intrepid Muslims must have attempted to go around the world, hundreds of years before Columbus.”

The site says the “great Muslim historian and geographer, Abu al-Hasan al-Masudi wrote in 956 of a voyage in 889 from al-Andalus (Muslim Spain).”

“The voyage sailed for months westward. They eventually found a large landmass across the ocean where they traded with the natives, and then returned to Europe. Al-Masudi records this land across the ocean in his famous map and refers to it as ‘the unknown land.’”

The blogger says another Muslim voyage to the New World was made in 999 and a third in the 1100s.

Explorer al-Idrisi “wrote of a group of Muslims who sailed west from Lisbon for 31 days and landed on an island in the Caribbean.”

“They were taken prisoner by the native Americans on that island for a few days. Eventually, they were freed when a t***slator who lived among the natives that spoke Arabic arranged for their release.”

The site also claims Muslims from West Africa made the trip to the New World before Columbus.

“During his reign, Abu Bakr sent a fleet of 400 ships to explore the Atlantic Ocean. Only 1 ship returned, but reported that they found a land across the ocean. Mansa Abu Bakr then outfitted a fleet of 2,000 ships, which he sailed with personally, that sailed west into the ocean. They were never heard from again.”

Further, the site claims there are inscriptions in Arizona describing how sick the Muslims’ elephants were, and others near the Mississippi recording Muslims’ exploration of America.

“Once he got to the Americas, Columbus records numerous examples of Muslims already present. He commented on the gold that the natives had, which was made the same way, in the same alloy, as the Muslims of West Africa,” the report says.

“Clearly, the theory that Columbus discovered America is nothing but an old tale that has not stood the test of time,” one reference says.

The World Bulletin, an online source from Istanbul edited by Akif Emre, Cigdem Akti, Artan Karpazli and others, says: “According to [History Today], Abu Raihan al-Biruni, who was born in the year 973 in what is today known as Uzbekistan, was the first person to officially suggest that an undiscovered landmass in the ocean between the Europe and Asia actually existed.

“Al-Biruni was of the few people in that time that actually accurately estimated that the earth was round. His teacher al-Farghani had also estimated that the earth was indeed round, and did surprisingly well to provide a near-accurate measurement of the earth’s circumference, which Columbus himself also used as a basis for his own explorations. However, Columbus failed to note that al-Farghani had given the measurement in Arab miles rather than Roman miles, leading him to grossly underestimate the distance of his journey. Furthermore, Columbus had no intention of discovering the Americas when he set sail, as he assumed that his travels would take him directly from Europe to Asia,” the sponsored site says.

“Al-Biruni was the first person from the known world to officially claim the so called ‘new world’ existed,” the report says.

Most historians, however, say Scandinavians likely were the first from the Old World to arrive in what later became North and South America – some 500 years before Columbus.

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2014/11/nato-allys-president-muslims-discovered-america/#wIEgfRH4MeH8PZTD.99
NATO ally's president: Muslims discovered America ... (show quote)

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Nov 18, 2014 15:11:45   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Vacaman wrote:
The ancient Chinese were likely here as well but I do not believe a word of this story, they sent 400 ships my ass. They likely discovered Atlanits and the great Muhammed couldn't get a room so he sank her by command of Gabriel who convinced him he was a deity himself. Islam, Is Simply Lies And Manipulation.
I heard Muhammed actually named all of the stars too.


Like Adam named all the animals!! I know, right?

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Nov 18, 2014 15:12:56   #
KHH1
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Like Adam named all the animals!! I know, right?


** I thought you knew...haha**

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