CNN shoots down Issa's claim that IRS "rogue" agents were "ordered from Washington":...

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Dave Loc: Upstate New York

Only a committed l*****t or a useful i***t would give Crowley the slightest credibility on any subject given her clear violation of any reasonably expected ethic during the p**********l debates.

Further, one would have to purposefully suspend disbelief to believe that a coordinated effort at making life difficult for conservative groups by IRS agents would have been coincidental and caused by a few roque agents.

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

Dave wrote:

Only a committed l*****t or a useful i***t would give Crowley the slightest credibility on any subject given her clear violation of any reasonably expected ethic during the p**********l debates.

Further, one would have to purposefully suspend disbelief to believe that a coordinated effort at making life difficult for conservative groups by IRS agents would have been coincidental and caused by a few roque agents.

The anchor man for Fox 19 News in Cincinatti has provided the names of the managers (those over those rogues) and it seems that all of them are different people. He has even taken it higher and up very close to the one who took the 5th which is another way of admitting guilt.

No, with Issa's info and listening to that man I have to think that the orders may well have come from the White House. A lot of people work there and all of them are supporters of Obama or they wouldn't be there.

Dave Loc: Upstate New York

It isn't necessary for the WH to issue direct orders to indict them for this problem. When prisoners were abused in Abu Grahb, liberals told us it was Bush's fault for the tone he set in his administration.

The current guy in that office has made it clear he favors punishing the political enemies.

Further, it wouldn't take much for career IRS folks to realize the smaller government, simpler tax platforms of the various Tea Party folks are direct threats to the sweet deal they have, limited responsibility with zero accountability tied to enormous power. We either reduce their power and arrogance, or we become vassals to the new aristocracy - government bureaucrats.

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

Dave wrote:

It isn't necessary for the WH to issue direct orde... (show quote)

Crowley failed although she tried to make Issa look wrong. He told her that one of the people he had words from said they had asked for and got a change in jobs because they could see what was coming.

I am just saying that Crowley tried very hard but didn't make it.

Hey, guess who got a letter from the IRS just today. I was worried about an audit but it was just telling me that I owed them although I paid them more than$200 more than was owed. I am not going to fight them since I have said many unkind things about them for a long time now.

snowbear37 Loc: MA.

You're probably doing the right thing by not fighting the IRS, however, that speaks to the arrogance and power they have. Everyone is afraid to argue with them because they hold the "power of the purse string" over everyone. Crowley (as is the custom with CNN) tried to keep steering Issa to admit that the IRA agent was lying, but couldn't get him to fall into her trap. It's the old liberal axiom: "If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably something else pretending to be a duck!" The left is trying desperately to distance the White House from this scandal. Even though past practices have shown that obummer is a vindictive, little man who has advocated punishing those who do not agree with him.

weneedrubio

Baloney as Karl Rove would say, the proof is everywhere and you are just to much in denial to see it. Do you really believe that Schulman, the head of the IRS went to the White house 157 times (156 more then his predecessor) and never spoke about this, or Holder never spoke to Obama about the IRS, Rosen, Fast and furious, etc., etc.? You are in danger of needing a rubber room if you do.

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Loki Loc: Georgia

weneedrubio wrote:

Baloney as Karl Rove would say, the proof is everywhere and you are just to much in denial to see it. Do you really believe that Schulman, the head of the IRS went to the White house 157 times (156 more then his predecessor) and never spoke about this, or Holder never spoke to Obama about the IRS, Rosen, Fast and furious, etc., etc.? You are in danger of needing a rubber room if you do.

The IRS is a bureaucracy. Bureaucrats and bureaucracies are subject to the first law of thermodynamics, (otherwise known as inertia), which states that objects in motion tend to remain in motion, those which are at rest tend to remain at rest. Inactivity, or it's close relative, pointless activity, is the norm for a bureaucrat. You have supervisors managing assistant supervisors managed by district supervisors who are overseen by yet more cogs in the endless wheel of accountability avoidance, and nothing moves without an edict from Olympus. Asking anyone with two brain cells to rub together to believe that minor low level employees perpetuated this scandal is stretching credibility well past it's breaking point. These not-so-sacrificial goats are simply layers of insulation and deniability. I've noticed no one has been fired so far, and "suspended with pay" is not a punishment, it's a vacation.

Dave Loc: Upstate New York

banjojack wrote:

The IRS is a bureaucracy. Bureaucrats and bureaucr... (show quote)

There is an aspect to this that you do need to consider - conservatives are for smaller government and far simpler tax codes. Both of these are a threat to the job security and the personal power to these arrogant bureaucrats - who have enjoyed bringing the full weight of the federal government down on any citizen they choose. The only solution to this problem is a simple tax code allowing for little interpretation of a far smaller crew of bureaucrats.

Loki Loc: Georgia

snowbear37 wrote:

You're probably doing the right thing by not fight... (show quote)

WRONG! If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's George Bush's fault, and proves once more the need for reasonable gun control, and the only reason any of this happened is because the rich don't pay their fair share.

weneedrubio

That's right try to defend them. You are dead wrong because no subordinate would do this knowing full well he had nothing to gain. This has Obama's marks all over it. You've excused all of his e******n bulls**t and now have to go to fantasy land to say it isn't him. Logic people, logic, who is the only person that has benefitted from all of these scandals?? The "rogues" in Cincinnati, I think not.

banjojack wrote:

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Loki Loc: Georgia

Dave wrote:

There is an aspect to this that you do need to consider - conservatives are for smaller government and far simpler tax codes. Both of these are a threat to the job security and the personal power to these arrogant bureaucrats - who have enjoyed bringing the full weight of the federal government down on any citizen they choose. The only solution to this problem is a simple tax code allowing for little interpretation of a far smaller crew of bureaucrats.

I will once more offer my solution, which has the added bonus of solving more than one problem; Pay attention, class:
First, repeal the 16th Amendment (Income tax), and replace it with the Fair Tax. This will cause massive unemployment within the IRS, but bear with me, there is a solution.
Secondly, Deport all i******s. Send Mexico the bill for the hundreds of billions (if not trillions) of dollars their citizens have cost this country.
The mass deportation will leave us with vast amounts of unpicked lettuce. Someone needs to pick it. Remember all those unemployed IRS agents.....?