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Is America’s Infatuation With Billionaires Finally Coming to an End ?
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Nov 27, 2022 02:13:54   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Curious. Which billionaires are a drain on society and how?
robertv3 wrote:
I mostly like the article, but I think it goes overboard in one or two places near the beginning. For example, some billionaires really did make some very good contributions, for example Henry Ford and mass production. And I think Steve Jobs made a worthwhile contribution to society. (No others come to mind, but I assume there are some other very good contributions from some

There's no reason a good contribution has to result in a billionaire, though. Lots of people have even better ideas and they're not billionaires. Lots of billionaires are a drain on society and on civilization.
I mostly like the article, but I think it goes ove... (show quote)

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Nov 27, 2022 02:49:21   #
microphor Loc: Home is TN
 
JFlorio wrote:
Curious. Which billionaires are a drain on society and how?


I'd like an answer to that question myself. Let's see what they come up with.

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Nov 27, 2022 08:28:01   #
wilpharm
 
JFlorio wrote:
Curious. Which billionaires are a drain on society and how?


good thught...wonder what poor milosia with her snap card has to say...

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Nov 27, 2022 08:43:11   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
microphor wrote:
Ahahahahaahahahaha, a year and a half ago, the left was praising Elon. What happened, he didn't fall into their N**i side-stepping politics!


The left never praised musk , it’s against their very nature.

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Nov 27, 2022 08:46:02   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
wilpharm wrote:
good thught...wonder what poor milosia with her snap card has to say...


Duh !!!!!
hoarding all of their I’ll gained cash and storing it in garages so you can’t have it.
Well , they are the smartest aren’t they ?

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Nov 27, 2022 08:49:35   #
wilpharm
 
Milosia2 wrote:
Duh !!!!!
hoarding all of their I’ll gained cash and storing it in garages so you can’t have it.
Well , they are the smartest aren’t they ?


"ill gained"????...u just a jealous .ag...anyone with a minimum wage job is a billionaire compared toyou...get a job!!

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Nov 27, 2022 08:51:34   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
JFlorio wrote:
Curious. Which billionaires are a drain on society and how?


Don’t read much much , do you ?
Have you ever heard of ….
Twitter/ Elon musk ?
Or Bezos at Amazon telling his drivers to pee in bottles to stay on the road , driving ?
We have no use whatsoever for
Billionaires . We can’t print the interest on their money fast enough .
Eventually, if this continues , we will all be working at one of the many treasury’s
Printing interest money for rich people.

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Nov 27, 2022 09:09:20   #
wilpharm
 
Milosia2 wrote:
Don’t read much much , do you ?
Have you ever heard of ….
Twitter/ Elon musk ?
Or Bezos at Amazon telling his drivers to pee in bottles to stay on the road , driving ?
We have no use whatsoever for
Billionaires . We can’t print the interest on their money fast enough .
Eventually, if this continues , we will all be working at one of the many treasury’s
Printing interest money for rich people.


strange...coming from a NOTHING BURGER like moolosia who has been a drain on society from birth!!!...BTW..who is the "WE" you mention?? socialist piglet!!!

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Nov 27, 2022 09:35:50   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
microphor wrote:
I'd like an answer to that question myself. Let's see what they come up with.


Drain on society??? I could simply name the Koch bros, or Rockefellers.. or any of those who are takers rather then givers..

But I think in the few moments I have followed this post, I would name the family who owned the pharmacy production which promoted the opioids that in turn drove the addiction which we are still fighting with little good in return.. while the family, Purdue??? made billions the population of the US was victimized and the penalty to the producers was only pockit change..



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Nov 27, 2022 09:44:43   #
EmilyD
 
Milosia2 wrote:
The left never praised musk , it’s against their very nature.

The left loved his EV's, and sang his praises to the high heavens.....until he disappointed them and bought the most corrupt liberal platform so he could stop their corruption.

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Nov 27, 2022 10:18:00   #
keepuphope Loc: Idaho
 
permafrost wrote:
Drain on society??? I could simply name the Koch bros, or Rockefellers.. or any of those who are takers rather then givers..

But I think in the few moments I have followed this post, I would name the family who owned the pharmacy production which promoted the opioids that in turn drove the addiction which we are still fighting with little good in return.. while the family, Purdue??? made billions the population of the US was victimized and the penalty to the producers was only pockit change..
Drain on society??? I could simply name the Koch b... (show quote)


I worked in the health care field for 30 years. Opioids releive pain for so many things and is a wonderful thing to help relieve suffering but at the same time should have been stringently watched instead of Drs prescribing for minor pains for drug seekers. It's the potential abuse of that class of drug that has done this.

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Nov 27, 2022 10:30:45   #
Justice101
 
Milosia2 wrote:
Don’t read much much , do you ?
Have you ever heard of ….
Twitter/ Elon musk ?
Or Bezos at Amazon telling his drivers to pee in bottles to stay on the road , driving ?
We have no use whatsoever for
Billionaires . We can’t print the interest on their money fast enough .
Eventually, if this continues , we will all be working at one of the many treasury’s
Printing interest money for rich people.


Elon Musk did very well for a "moron" as quoted in your article. He was responsible for many inventions and creating 35,000 jobs. Job creation and innovation is what keeps the economy humming and the $$ flowing dear.

https://www.cnbc.com/2015/11/13/elon-musks-10-greatest-inventions-changing-the-world.html

Your anecdote on Bezos "telling his drivers to pee in bottles to stay on the road, driving" is seriously funny and not at all believable.

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Nov 27, 2022 10:39:21   #
FallenOak Loc: St George Utah
 
Milosia2 wrote:
Is America’s Infatuation With Billionaires Finally Coming to an End?

by Amanda Marcotte | November 26, 2022 - 7:58am

It has long been evident that Elon Musk is a moron, at least to those willing to see it. Well before the Tesla CEO overpaid for Twitter in the throes of a tantrum, there was a chorus of mostly-ignored people pointing out, repeatedly, that Musk's mental maturity appeared to have stagnated around the sixth grade. There was the time he rolled out a "ingenious" idea for tunnel-based t***sportation, only to have people point out that the subway has been around for over a century. Or the time he tried to push a useless and overly complicated plan to rescue a group of Thai children trapped in a cave. Or the time shortly after that when, still angry at being dismissed, he falsely accused the man who actually did save the children of being a p*******e. Or the time he acted like such an i***t on Joe Rogan's podcast that Tesla stock took a dive. Or the time he named his actual child X Æ A-12.

There are infinitely more examples. (His childish feud with rapper Azealia Banks is a personal favorite.) Yet somehow, no matter how often Musk has shown his ass in public, the damage to his reputation was fleeting. The business and tech press would be startled at his dumb behavior, but within 48 to 72 hours, it was all forgotten and Musk went back to being covered as if he were a genius, if perhaps an eccentric one.

Such is the power of the American mythology of the billionaire. The infatuation with our richest capitalists is related to, but in many ways goes even beyond, the illusion that the U.S. is a meritocracy. The notion that to be very rich must also mean you're brilliant permeates our society, justifying both ridiculously low taxes on the wealthiest Americans and the undue influence they exert over our political system. It's a social fiction that dates back to the Gilded Age and has covered up the intellectual deficits of many famous Americans. (Henry Ford comes to mind.) But it's gotten a lot more juice in the past few decades, as the new class of tech billionaires, starting with Bill Gates of Microsoft and Steve Jobs of Apple, forged the image of the singular mastermind who, with little education and limited resources, remakes the world through the sheer power of their intelligence.

This presumption that wealth equals brains has so permeated our society that it's sometimes hard to see how pervasive it is. But the past couple of years — and indeed, just the past couple of months — have really done a number on the belief that having a fat bank account somehow inoculates one from being a dumbass. Watching Musk lay waste to Twitter, for no discernible reason beyond his desire to impress the biggest losers on the internet, has been a wake-up call. It's hard to imagine there will be the same mass forgetting of who Musk really is that we saw after all his previous public face-plants.

But it's not just Musk. The same process is unfolding for the single person who has benefited more than any other from the myth that money means you're smart: Donald Trump.

For those of us who always thought Trump was a dingleberry, it may not seem readily apparent how much he's really gotten a boost from the widespread assumption that wealth comes attached to inherent smarts. Trump coasted on this for decades. The entire premise of his reality show, "The Apprentice," was that he was some kind of business savant. As with Musk, Trump's gross and i***tic behavior — such as pushing the "birther" conspiracy theory about Barack Obama — was largely shrugged off as quirkiness instead of idiocy.

In 2016, a distressingly large number of people were able to tell themselves that it was OK to v**e for Trump because his wealth must mean he's smarter than he seems. When I went to the Republican National Convention in 2016, one delegate after another insisted to me that there must be an ocean of intelligence under that dimwitted exterior, and pointed to his real estate empire as proof. Years later, it became clear that his wealth had been handed to him by others, and his principal accomplishment was to piss most of it away.

That was on top of a record of public tomfoolery that reached its zenith when he publicly suggested that doctors had overlooked the possibility that injecting bleach into the human body might cure C****-**. In true Dunning-Kruger fashion, Trump then congratulated himself on knowing more than the entire medical establishment, due to this insight.

Trump lost the 2020 e******n for a number of reasons, but we can't overlook the strong possibility that four years of his outbursts disabused some number of his 2016 v**ers of the claims about his supposedly superior mental acumen. Yet the notion that Trump is a political sage underneath the braying boob exterior continues to have a remarkable hold on the GOP imagination. The expectation that the 2022 midterms would be a "red tsunami" was based in large part on the confidence that the gallery of Q***ners, snake oil salesmen and bumbleheads endorsed by Trump had also been anointed with some secret sauce that only he, in his infinite wisdom, could perceive or understand. Those candidates ended up losing by an average of about five percentage points more than other Republicans not cursed with Trump's blessing. Now the GOP establishment is struggling with the same doubts creeping into the tech press around Musk: Is it possible this guy's success was more about luck and privilege than savvy?

(To be clear, I don't think Trump's a total imbecile. He's a sk**lful criminal with a certain low cunning. He's just bad at all the things his defenders wanted to believe he was good at: Business, governance, literacy.)

Two examples, even as big as these, do not a trend make. But there's another big sign that the American faith in the galaxy-level intelligence of our wealthiest people is being rattled: the dawning realization that many people have exploited this mythology for the purposes of plain old fraud.

Just this past couple of weeks, we've seen both former Theranos CEO Elizabeth Holmes sentenced to 11 years in prison and the total career implosion of Sam Bankman-Fried, former CEO of the cryptocurrency exchange FTX. In both cases, it should have been obvious that what they were selling to investors was pure nonsense. Holmes' alleged blood-test technology showed multiple signs of being a smoke-and-mirrors job, and numerous sensible people have been calling cryptocurrency a s**m from the very beginning. However you slice it, a heavy dose of skepticism was warranted in both cases.

But both Holmes and Bankman-Fried managed to quash other people's doubts by leveraging the cult of the billionaire genius. Both expertly played to stereotypes to bamboozle investors. Holmes literally modeled her look and demeanor after Steve Jobs, which was such a weird thing to do that it only reinforced her image as a quirky brainiac. Bankman-Fried hyped himself as a relentless workaholic who slept at the office. Both images are meant to suggest a person too focused on changing the world to care about personal appearance. In reality, these personas were as carefully cultivated as Kim Kardashian's, and they were highly effective in convincing gullible people to part with their money.

Now that these two have been exposed, however, a lot more people are asking hard questions about whether the "grind culture" of Silicon Valley is a farce, akin to the illusion of Trump's business acuity built in the editing bay of "The Apprentice." Holmes and Bankman-Fried might have be written off as outliers a few years ago. But right now there's a growing sense that so much of self-congratulatory tech culture is just a digital version of the Wizard of Oz, especially as another crypto crash seems to happen every couple of weeks. Even Gates and Jobs, who were unquestionably brilliant at developing and marketing innovative computer technology, have lost a little of their luster. Jobs, of course, died of cancer after convincing himself that he knew better than doctors how to treat it. Gates, meanwhile, blew up his marriage by acting like a garden variety jackass. Even genuinely smart people can be stupid sometimes. More importantly, a bunch of people who have tricked everyone into thinking that they're geniuses are finally being revealed as the imposters they always were.

Imposters !!!!
I knew it !
Is America’s Infatuation With Billionaires Finally... (show quote)


You are obviously jealous of persons who have a few more dollars than yourself. There are people who want to have more money and they are willing to use their own or go into debt to begin businesses that will employ those who are too frightened to start a business so spend their lives working for the ambitious people.
It was proven in the Virginia Colony that without the incentive to work many starved to death. By reading your writings I do understand that you are one of those who want to take from those who work hard and/or are willing to spend their own money to start a business. Exactly what do you think would happen if the industrial leaders closed all their businesses? Do you truly believe that our government or any government could do a better job than individuals? I recall my brother telling me that he liked to get government contracts because they almost always came along with a change order. Change orders meant more cost. Individuals are more protective of their finances. Governments are very generous with the money they take from citizens. Politicians did not earn the money, they stole it, so they are very free with spending.
Would America have become a powerful nation without Andrew Carnegie, Thomas A. Edison, Henry Ford, Henry Clay Frick, J.P. Morgan, John D. Rockefeller, or Cornelius Vanderbilt?
I leave you with this question that has been asked many times but never answered, "Why is it good or fair to take from earners and give to those who will not work?"

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Nov 27, 2022 10:56:58   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Milosia2 wrote:
The left never praised musk , it’s against their very nature.


Actually they did. The left is all about electric cars. Until you get some integrity go away.

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Nov 27, 2022 11:01:06   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
FallenOak wrote:
You are obviously jealous of persons who have a few more dollars than yourself. There are people who want to have more money and they are willing to use their own or go into debt to begin businesses that will employ those who are too frightened to start a business so spend their lives working for the ambitious people.
It was proven in the Virginia Colony that without the incentive to work many starved to death. By reading your writings I do understand that you are one of those who want to take from those who work hard and/or are willing to spend their own money to start a business. Exactly what do you think would happen if the industrial leaders closed all their businesses? Do you truly believe that our government or any government could do a better job than individuals? I recall my brother telling me that he liked to get government contracts because they almost always came along with a change order. Change orders meant more cost. Individuals are more protective of their finances. Governments are very generous with the money they take from citizens. Politicians did not earn the money, they stole it, so they are very free with spending.
Would America have become a powerful nation without Andrew Carnegie, Thomas A. Edison, Henry Ford, Henry Clay Frick, J.P. Morgan, John D. Rockefeller, or Cornelius Vanderbilt?
I leave you with this question that has been asked many times but never answered, "Why is it good or fair to take from earners and give to those who will not work?"
You are obviously jealous of persons who have a fe... (show quote)


Perfect answer. I opened a firm in 2021. Lotta needless expense, growing pains. My second year I have done very well, better than any year in my life. However; I am thinking about taking out a rather large loan to expand. If the expansion works and I make a fortune leach's like Milosia are jealous. But, if the loan over extends my business and I go under, well that's just to bad. This is the problem with the country. A bunch of dumbass's who have never met a payroll thinking they know more about business than entrepreneurs. Those who take the risk should reap the rewards.

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