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Feb 15, 2023 12:21:46   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
I can't believe what I am seeing about teachers . It must be a bad thing to be educated and pass that education on to those who need to learn. Common sense tells us that a person has to be educated to make it in todays world.

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Feb 15, 2023 13:16:54   #
Ginny_Dandy Loc: Pacific Northwest
 
American Vet wrote:
I am not sure that is accurate. Just as our national government leaders have come under the spell of extreme l*****ts, the national education leaders have also.

It would be interesting to see what the 'rank and file' teachers believe.


The "spell" as you call it is $$$ The Left has sold their soul to the devil for $$$.

https://www.desantisdaily.com/ron-desantis-just-put-the-woke-college-board-on-notice-with-one-warning-that-caused-all-hell-to-break-loose/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=dsd_6032&utm_term=&utm_content=220411dda

Ron DeSantis just put the woke College Board on notice with one warning that caused all hell to break loose

Ron DeSantis recently rejected an AP black history course because it violated the state’s Stop WOKE Act.

The College Board responded by accusing DeSantis of “slander.”

Ron DeSantis is showing the Left he meant business when he said that “Florida is where woke goes to die.”

DeSantis set off a firestorm recently when he rejected an AP black history course that was packed full of Critical Race Theory and other woke nonsense.

The College Board initially revised its course and submitted a new curriculum for approval.

But after pressure from the radical Left, the College Board released a letter on Saturday attacking DeSantis and accusing him of “slander.”

“We are proud of this course,” the letter read. “But we have made mistakes in the rollout that are being exploited.”

“We deeply regret not immediately denouncing the Florida Department of Education’s slander, magnified by the DeSantis administration’s subsequent comments, that African American Studies ‘lacks educational value,’” the letter added.

During a press conference on Monday, DeSantis put the College Board on notice that there will be a price to pay for pushing the woke agenda instead of real education.

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“You know, this really is junk,” DeSantis said. “Why don’t we just do and teach the things that matter?” he continued, before adding “why is it always someone has to try and shove their agenda down our throats?”

But then DeSantis dropped the hammer by declaring that Florida would evaluate its relationship with the College Board moving forward.

“I would also just say – this College Board, nobody elected them to anything,” DeSantis said. “They’re just kind of there, and they’re providing service,” he continued, before adding “so you can either utilize those services or not.”

The Governor added that “there are probably some other vendors who may be able to do that job as good, or maybe even a lot better.”

DeSantis also made it clear that the College Board is responsible since the curriculum violated state law.

“The College Board was the one that in a black studies course put ‘q***r theory’ in, not us – they did that,” DeSantis said. “They were the ones that put in ‘intersectionality,’ they put in other types of neo-Marxism into the proposed syllabus.”

DeSantis said the College Board is more concerned with “indoctrination” instead of education.

con't

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Feb 15, 2023 21:26:26   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
I can't believe what I am seeing about teachers . It must be a bad thing to be educated and pass that education on to those who need to learn. Common sense tells us that a person has to be educated to make it in todays world.


It is if they teach things other than that which they should!!

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Feb 15, 2023 21:58:34   #
RascalRiley Loc: Somewhere south of Detroit
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
It is if they teach things other than that which they should!!

But how to educate kids to the current norms? And what are the norms now?

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Feb 16, 2023 05:48:14   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
It is if they teach things other than that which they should!!


don't want no Liberals

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Feb 16, 2023 07:41:41   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
don't want no Liberals


I'm ok with liberals. It's the l*****ts who need to be out of the classroom!

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Feb 16, 2023 09:14:55   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
I'm ok with liberals. It's the l*****ts who need to be out of the classroom!
Do you feel the same way about the right wing radical ?

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Feb 16, 2023 09:18:28   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
Do you feel the same way about the right wing radical ?


Far right radicals fomented the J** 6th r**ts. Absolutely they are just as bad as the l*****ts. The deal is, a very small percentage of republicans are far right radicals but a very large percentage of democrats are l*****ts.

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Feb 16, 2023 12:25:42   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
proud republican wrote:
The fact that you can V**E free and without fear IS Democracy!!!!...

Well, that's only a fact for about 70% of the people living in the U.S. The other 30% are people who have been disfranchised by the thousands of state and municipal governments that make up the USA.

Recently, there has been an elevated effort to obstruct certain people from v****g through a deceitful advance of laws presented as efforts to maintain e******n integrity. These laws target conditions that do not explicitly match those that the constitution has protected, such as skin color, but have the same effect, such as limiting the number of polling stations in cities with large populations of a certain skin color. For those who understand this, the assertion that democracy in on the b****t actually makes sense.

Likewise, fear is also a factor in American e******ns now... Not so much for the v**ers but for the e******n workers who are just as critical to our democracy. It's no longer uncommon for e******n workers to receive death threats and in some districts there is an aggressive front of "concerned citizens" insisting on "observing" the e******n workers using psychological tactics like showing up armed.

There is also an increased disconnect where the people are understanding less about the problems that our democracy needs to address while becoming more emotional about the personalities that we elect. Historically, these patterns have led to a loss of democracy as bad leaders are able to take advantage of irrational v**ers to gain power before shutting democracy down.

In my assessment, it's not in critical condition yet. But yes... democracy is in a very real sense, on the b****t.

proud republican wrote:

We are by far still the BEST country in the world!!

:) - That's always a nice, patriotic, "feel-good" thing to say.

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Feb 16, 2023 13:04:07   #
DASHY
 
Ginny_Dandy wrote:
The "spell" as you call it is $$$ The Left has sold their soul to the devil for $$$.

https://www.desantisdaily.com/ron-desantis-just-put-the-woke-college-board-on-notice-with-one-warning-that-caused-all-hell-to-break-loose/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=dsd_6032&utm_term=&utm_content=220411dda

Ron DeSantis just put the woke College Board on notice with one warning that caused all hell to break loose

Ron DeSantis recently rejected an AP black history course because it violated the state’s Stop WOKE Act.

The College Board responded by accusing DeSantis of “slander.”

Ron DeSantis is showing the Left he meant business when he said that “Florida is where woke goes to die.”

DeSantis set off a firestorm recently when he rejected an AP black history course that was packed full of Critical Race Theory and other woke nonsense.

The College Board initially revised its course and submitted a new curriculum for approval.

But after pressure from the radical Left, the College Board released a letter on Saturday attacking DeSantis and accusing him of “slander.”

“We are proud of this course,” the letter read. “But we have made mistakes in the rollout that are being exploited.”

“We deeply regret not immediately denouncing the Florida Department of Education’s slander, magnified by the DeSantis administration’s subsequent comments, that African American Studies ‘lacks educational value,’” the letter added.

During a press conference on Monday, DeSantis put the College Board on notice that there will be a price to pay for pushing the woke agenda instead of real education.

skip

“You know, this really is junk,” DeSantis said. “Why don’t we just do and teach the things that matter?” he continued, before adding “why is it always someone has to try and shove their agenda down our throats?”

But then DeSantis dropped the hammer by declaring that Florida would evaluate its relationship with the College Board moving forward.

“I would also just say – this College Board, nobody elected them to anything,” DeSantis said. “They’re just kind of there, and they’re providing service,” he continued, before adding “so you can either utilize those services or not.”

The Governor added that “there are probably some other vendors who may be able to do that job as good, or maybe even a lot better.”

DeSantis also made it clear that the College Board is responsible since the curriculum violated state law.

“The College Board was the one that in a black studies course put ‘q***r theory’ in, not us – they did that,” DeSantis said. “They were the ones that put in ‘intersectionality,’ they put in other types of neo-Marxism into the proposed syllabus.”

DeSantis said the College Board is more concerned with “indoctrination” instead of education.

con't
The "spell" as you call it is $$$ The Le... (show quote)


A course on African American Studies is too "Woke" for Republican DeSantis. DeSantis says "why don't we just do and teach the things that matter". Does he really mean "Black lives don't matter"? DeSantis loves to repeat the all-purpose "Woke" slur against efforts to advance inclusion and racial e******y in the education system in Florida. Apparently the College Board disagrees with him.

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Feb 16, 2023 15:32:20   #
American Vet
 
straightUp wrote:
that's only a fact for about 70% of the people living in the U.S. The other 30% are people who have been disfranchised by the thousands of state and municipal governments that make up the USA.


Proof or evidence that 30% of the people in the US have been "disenfranchised" (deprived of the rights of citizenship especially the right to v**e)?

Or just another 'fabrication'?

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Feb 16, 2023 16:46:08   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
American Vet wrote:
Proof or evidence that 30% of the people in the US have been "disenfranchised" (deprived of the rights of citizenship especially the right to v**e)?

It's good that you always ask. Always challenge the statements people make. Of course by now, you should know that I'm ALWAYS able to back up my statements...

1. Are you aware that an abundance of state and local laws make it illegal to v**e if you are under 18? Are you also aware that Americans under 18 make up- roughly 20% of the population?
https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2021/08/united-states-adult-population-grew-faster-than-nations-total-population-from-2010-to-2020.html

2. Furthermore, are you aware that roughly 7% of the population are resident aliens and that there is also an abundance of state and local laws that prohibit their participation in the e******ns, even though they are expected to abide the laws and pay taxes just like citizens are? BTW, resident aliens (green card holders) have the legal right to live and work in the U.S. (so I'm not talking about your so-called "illegal" immigrants.)
https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/lpr_population_estimates_january_2015_-_2019.pdf

3. Then there's all the state and local laws that prohibit anyone with a conviction on their record from v****g... According to recent research that demographic accounts for roughly 2%. So that brings it up to 29%.
https://www.sentencingproject.org/reports/locked-out-2022-estimates-of-people-denied-v****g-rights/

I'm not even considering the millions of b****ts that have been disqualified for the most i***tic reasons or because of systems like Crosscheck that Kris Kobach pushed on several states before they started realizing how it was disqualifying people for invalid reasons but I will round up to 30% just to acknowledge these situations.

And before you get into some rant about why these restrictions are justified, let me just point out that I'm not debating the validity of the laws, I am simply pointing out that regardless of reasoning the fact remains that roughly 30% of the people living in the U.S. legally, ARE disfranchised. Finally, I feel I need to make it clear to you, that when I say "roughly" I mean not exact.

American Vet wrote:
Or just another 'fabrication'?

LOL - as if I EVER fabricate anything... I'm not a MAGAmuffin, remember? ;)

Oh, and thank you once again for giving me the chance to show that my statements are data-driven.

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Feb 16, 2023 17:01:12   #
American Vet
 
straightUp wrote:


[i]It's good that you always ask. Always challenge the statements people make. Of course by now, you should know that I'm ALWAYS able to back up my statements...

1. Are you aware that an abundance of state and local laws make it illegal to v**e if you are under 18? Are you also aware that Americans under 18 make up- roughly 20% of the population?
https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2021/08/united-states-adult-population-grew-faster-than-nations-total-population-from-2010-to-2020.html[i]
And you are engaging in hyperbole and intellectual dishonesty (again). Yes, approximately 20% of the population is under 18 and ineligible to v**e. Do you believe 6 year olds should be allowed to v**e?

2. Furthermore, are you aware that roughly 7% of the population are resident aliens and that there is also an abundance of state and local laws that prohibit their participation in the e******ns, even though they are expected to abide the laws and pay taxes just like citizens are? BTW, resident aliens (green card holders) have the legal right to live and work in the U.S. (so I'm not talking about your so-called "illegal" immigrants.
https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/lpr_population_estimates_january_2015_-_2019.pdf

Quite aware. They are not citizens - thus denied the right to v**e. When (and if) they become citizens they can v**e.

3. Then there's all the state and local laws that prohibit anyone with a conviction on their record from v****g... According to recent research that demographic accounts for roughly 2%. So that brings it up to 29%.
https://www.sentencingproject.org/reports/locked-out-2022-estimates-of-people-denied-v****g-rights/

And?

Before you get into some rant about why these restrictions are justified, let me just point out that I'm not debating the validity of the laws, I am simply pointing out that regardless of reasoning the fact remains that roughly 30% of the people living in the U.S. legally, ARE disfranchised.
LOL

And? You are not making any point except that there are children and non-citizens. etc. who cannot v**e.

So?


Oh, and thank you once again for giving me the chance to show that my statements are data-driven.
Indeed they are. Of course, they are rather silly points to make and not particularly pertinent to the discussion.

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Feb 16, 2023 20:00:29   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
American Vet wrote:
straightUp wrote:
1. Are you aware that an abundance of state and local laws make it illegal to v**e if you are under 18? Are you also aware that Americans under 18 make up- roughly 20% of the population?
https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2021/08/united-states-adult-population-grew-faster-than-nations-total-population-from-2010-to-2020.html

And you are engaging in hyperbole and intellectual dishonesty (again). Yes, approximately 20% of the population is under 18 and ineligible to v**e. Do you believe 6 year olds should be allowed to v**e?
b straightUp wrote: /b i br 1. Are you aware th... (show quote)

Did you read the part of my post where I said I'm not debating the validity of the law? The ONLY point I am making is that they are not being allowed to v**e and to that you just agreed. And yet you want to call intellectual dishonesty. A simple fact that we both agree on is hardly dishonest.

Maybe you're having a hard time articulating your perception that I'm playing an intellectual game. Yes, I am. It's a game I wish to God more people would play... You state a very simple and obvious fact and observe how agitated people get because of the baggage in their own heads. The reason why I think this game is important is the same reason I think it's important that you challenge me on my assertions. It encourages people to *think* instead of mindlessly propagating narratives.

American Vet wrote:
straightUp wrote:
2. Furthermore, are you aware that roughly 7% of the population are resident aliens and that there is also an abundance of state and local laws that prohibit their participation in the e******ns, even though they are expected to abide the laws and pay taxes just like citizens are? BTW, resident aliens (green card holders) have the legal right to live and work in the U.S. (so I'm not talking about your so-called "illegal" immigrants.
https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/lpr_population_estimates_january_2015_-_2019.pdf

Quite aware. They are not citizens - thus denied the right to v**e.
b straightUp wrote: /b i br 2. Furthermore, are... (show quote)

As proclaimed by hundreds if not thousands of state and municipal governments... The U.S. Constitution doesn't care if the person v****g is a citizen or not. Most Americans would disagree because of the prevailing narratives but if they actually went rogue and switched their brains on, they could easily find the t***h for themselves.

American Vet wrote:

When (and if) they become citizens they can v**e.

Yes, if they can afford it... and if they are willing to give up their previous citizenship, swear allegiance to our federal government and pass the civics tests AFTER waiting a number years without any legal incidents. Not that these are impenetrable barriers but they ARE all things that no one born in the USA ever had to do, just for the right to v**e. From a logical standpoint this nativist rule doesn't actually make any sense.

In any case, yes... thank you for acknowledging that resident aliens exist... So there we go... 27%

American Vet wrote:
straightUp wrote:
3. Then there's all the state and local laws that prohibit anyone with a conviction on their record from v****g... According to recent research that demographic accounts for roughly 2%. So that brings it up to 29%.
https://www.sentencingproject.org/reports/locked-out-2022-estimates-of-people-denied-v****g-rights/

And?

...and that makes 29%.

American Vet wrote:
straightUp wrote:
Before you get into some rant about why these restrictions are justified,


...which you already did..

American Vet wrote:
straightUp wrote:
let me just point out that I'm not debating the validity of the laws, I am simply pointing out that regardless of reasoning the fact remains that roughly 30% of the people living in the U.S. legally, ARE disfranchised.

LOL

And? You are not making any point except that there are children and non-citizens. etc. who cannot v**e.


What other point do you think I'm trying to make?
If you remember, I was responding to PR who said... "The fact that you can V**E free and without fear IS Democracy!!!!" All I said was that it's only a fact for roughly 70% of the people living here. You already agreed with my assessment thereby confirming my only point. There *IS* no other point, other than your own trips about what you THINK I'm trying to say.

American Vet wrote:
straightUp wrote:
Oh, and thank you once again for giving me the chance to show that my statements are data-driven.

Indeed they are. Of course, they are rather silly points to make and not particularly pertinent to the discussion.

I wasn't responding to any discussions, I was responding to the original post. LOL - you really need to pay more attention to what people are doing before jumping all over them.

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Feb 16, 2023 20:05:00   #
American Vet
 
straightUp wrote:
I wasn't responding to any discussions, I was responding to the original post. LOL - you really need to pay more attention to what people are doing before jumping all over them.


And as I said - silly points not pertinent to the discussion. Of course, a common occurrence in your posts.

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