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When v**ers get to choose on the b****t, that is perfection, not party control.
Oct 28, 2022 03:29:17   #
336Robin Loc: North Carolina
 
When v**ers are able to v**e on issues, that is the more perfect governance. Not this party rhetoric and passle of lies we have today. Look to Oregon to trust their taxpayers to make choices on health care.



Associated Press
Oregon could be 1st state to make health care a human right


SALEM, Ore. (AP) — Oregon v**ers are being asked to decide whether the state should be the first in the nation to amend its constitution to explicitly declare that affordable health care is a fundamental human right.

State Sen. Elizabeth Steiner Hayward, a main sponsor of the legislation behind the b****t measure, said making health care a human right is a value statement and is not aimed at pushing Oregon to a single-payer health care system, a longtime goal of many progressives.

But opponents warn the amendment could trigger legal and political woes and open the door to lawsuits.

Measure 111 got onto the Nov. 8 b****t because the Legislature, where Democrats hold a majority, referred the issue to v**ers last year. There were earlier efforts, including in 2018 as then-President Donald Trump tried to dismantle former President Barack Obama’s health care law, but they died in the statehouse.

Republican lawmakers consistently opposed efforts to ask v**ers to enshrine health care as a right in Oregon's 163-year-old constitution.

Related video: Republicans abandon efforts to repeal Obamacare
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“The bill doesn’t fund any system to deliver on that promise,” then-Senate Republican Leader Fred Girod said when the resolution was debated in March 2021.

Steiner Hayward recently told The Oregonian/OregonLive that if the measure passes next month, the state's current resources can handle any financial impact in the immediate future. But she would not rule out possible future tax increases to help provide that health care.

"Can I guarantee no new taxes? No. I don’t make promises like that,” Steiner Hayward said.

Oregon has a history of being a trendsetter for other liberal states: It was the first to legalize suicide for the terminally ill and was the first to designate itself as a sanctuary state to protect immigrants living in the country illegally. The state has also expanded coverage on a******ns and other reproductive services regardless of income, citizenship status or g****r identity.

Three dozen organizations, including health workers, unions and educators, called the new b****t measure “a critical first step to creating an Oregon where everyone can afford to be healthy.”

Those signing a statement of support in the v**ers' pamphlet included the Oregon Nurses Association; Providence Health & Services — a nonprofit Catholic health care system with multiple hospitals; the Oregon Academy of Family Physicians; and the Service Employees International Union, the largest labor union in Oregon.

The proposed amendment states: “It is the obligation of the state to ensure that every resident of Oregon has access to cost-effective, clinically appropriate and affordable health care as a fundamental right.”

It goes on to say that the state's obligation “must be balanced against the public interest in funding public schools and other essential public services.”

But it doesn’t define “cost-effective, clinically appropriate and affordable,” or who is supposed to be footing the bill.

The Oregon Health Authority says 94% of Oregonians already have insurance coverage, and that more are eligible for the Oregon Medicaid plan or a subsidy to reduce the cost of commercial health coverage.

But Steiner Hayward noted that having insurance doesn't guarantee access.

“We know that we have health care deserts in the state. We know that our primary care system is overstretched," she said. “We need to be thinking about how do we change all of those things to ensure that having good health insurance means having good access to health care.”

The measure was long championed by Democratic state Rep. Mitch Greenlick, who died in 2020 at age 85, a year before the Legislature approved putting it on the b****t.

In 2018, when the bill came up for a v**e in the House, Greenlick described how he was diagnosed with lymphoma in 2005 and relied on insurance to pay huge treatment costs.

“If I didn’t have insurance, I wouldn’t be here,” Greenlick said. “I would be dead.”

GOP Rep. Kim Wallan wrote in opposition to the measure in the v**ers' pamphlet, saying it would likely wind up being litigated.

“The courts would probably force the state to fully fund health care, leaving police and education scrambling for funding,” she wrote.

Tina Kotek, who was then the House speaker and is now the Democratic candidate for governor, supports the initiative and says its goal is “primarily aspirational.”

Republican candidate Christine Drazan opposes Measure 111 because of potential budgetary impacts. Unaffiliated candidate Betsy Johnson v**ed against the bill when she was a state senator but says she'll implement the mandate if Oregonians approve it and it is financially feasible.

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Follow AP’s coverage of the e******ns at: https://apnews.com/hub/2022-midterm-e******ns

Check out https://apnews.com/hub/explaining-the-e******ns to learn more about the issues and factors at play in the 2022 midterm e******ns.

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Oct 28, 2022 04:35:36   #
GoldBone215
 
336Robin wrote:
When v**ers are able to v**e on issues, that is the more perfect governance. Not this party rhetoric and passle of lies we have today. Look to Oregon to trust their taxpayers to make choices on health care.



Associated Press
Oregon could be 1st state to make health care a human right


SALEM, Ore. (AP) — Oregon v**ers are being asked to decide whether the state should be the first in the nation to amend its constitution to explicitly declare that affordable health care is a fundamental human right.

State Sen. Elizabeth Steiner Hayward, a main sponsor of the legislation behind the b****t measure, said making health care a human right is a value statement and is not aimed at pushing Oregon to a single-payer health care system, a longtime goal of many progressives.

But opponents warn the amendment could trigger legal and political woes and open the door to lawsuits.

Measure 111 got onto the Nov. 8 b****t because the Legislature, where Democrats hold a majority, referred the issue to v**ers last year. There were earlier efforts, including in 2018 as then-President Donald Trump tried to dismantle former President Barack Obama’s health care law, but they died in the statehouse.

Republican lawmakers consistently opposed efforts to ask v**ers to enshrine health care as a right in Oregon's 163-year-old constitution.

Related video: Republicans abandon efforts to repeal Obamacare
Scroll back up to restore default view.
“The bill doesn’t fund any system to deliver on that promise,” then-Senate Republican Leader Fred Girod said when the resolution was debated in March 2021.

Steiner Hayward recently told The Oregonian/OregonLive that if the measure passes next month, the state's current resources can handle any financial impact in the immediate future. But she would not rule out possible future tax increases to help provide that health care.

"Can I guarantee no new taxes? No. I don’t make promises like that,” Steiner Hayward said.

Oregon has a history of being a trendsetter for other liberal states: It was the first to legalize suicide for the terminally ill and was the first to designate itself as a sanctuary state to protect immigrants living in the country illegally. The state has also expanded coverage on a******ns and other reproductive services regardless of income, citizenship status or g****r identity.

Three dozen organizations, including health workers, unions and educators, called the new b****t measure “a critical first step to creating an Oregon where everyone can afford to be healthy.”

Those signing a statement of support in the v**ers' pamphlet included the Oregon Nurses Association; Providence Health & Services — a nonprofit Catholic health care system with multiple hospitals; the Oregon Academy of Family Physicians; and the Service Employees International Union, the largest labor union in Oregon.

The proposed amendment states: “It is the obligation of the state to ensure that every resident of Oregon has access to cost-effective, clinically appropriate and affordable health care as a fundamental right.”

It goes on to say that the state's obligation “must be balanced against the public interest in funding public schools and other essential public services.”

But it doesn’t define “cost-effective, clinically appropriate and affordable,” or who is supposed to be footing the bill.

The Oregon Health Authority says 94% of Oregonians already have insurance coverage, and that more are eligible for the Oregon Medicaid plan or a subsidy to reduce the cost of commercial health coverage.

But Steiner Hayward noted that having insurance doesn't guarantee access.

“We know that we have health care deserts in the state. We know that our primary care system is overstretched," she said. “We need to be thinking about how do we change all of those things to ensure that having good health insurance means having good access to health care.”

The measure was long championed by Democratic state Rep. Mitch Greenlick, who died in 2020 at age 85, a year before the Legislature approved putting it on the b****t.

In 2018, when the bill came up for a v**e in the House, Greenlick described how he was diagnosed with lymphoma in 2005 and relied on insurance to pay huge treatment costs.

“If I didn’t have insurance, I wouldn’t be here,” Greenlick said. “I would be dead.”

GOP Rep. Kim Wallan wrote in opposition to the measure in the v**ers' pamphlet, saying it would likely wind up being litigated.

“The courts would probably force the state to fully fund health care, leaving police and education scrambling for funding,” she wrote.

Tina Kotek, who was then the House speaker and is now the Democratic candidate for governor, supports the initiative and says its goal is “primarily aspirational.”

Republican candidate Christine Drazan opposes Measure 111 because of potential budgetary impacts. Unaffiliated candidate Betsy Johnson v**ed against the bill when she was a state senator but says she'll implement the mandate if Oregonians approve it and it is financially feasible.

___

Follow AP’s coverage of the e******ns at: https://apnews.com/hub/2022-midterm-e******ns

Check out https://apnews.com/hub/explaining-the-e******ns to learn more about the issues and factors at play in the 2022 midterm e******ns.
When v**ers are able to v**e on issues, that is th... (show quote)


Only the Marxist crybaby democrats would call murdering a baby up to and including after the birth as healthcare 🙄🤨

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Oct 28, 2022 06:26:53   #
liberalhunter Loc: Your mom's house
 
336Robin wrote:
When v**ers are able to v**e on issues, that is the more perfect governance. Not this party rhetoric and passle of lies we have today. Look to Oregon to trust their taxpayers to make choices on health care.



Associated Press
Oregon could be 1st state to make health care a human right


SALEM, Ore. (AP) — Oregon v**ers are being asked to decide whether the state should be the first in the nation to amend its constitution to explicitly declare that affordable health care is a fundamental human right.

State Sen. Elizabeth Steiner Hayward, a main sponsor of the legislation behind the b****t measure, said making health care a human right is a value statement and is not aimed at pushing Oregon to a single-payer health care system, a longtime goal of many progressives.

But opponents warn the amendment could trigger legal and political woes and open the door to lawsuits.

Measure 111 got onto the Nov. 8 b****t because the Legislature, where Democrats hold a majority, referred the issue to v**ers last year. There were earlier efforts, including in 2018 as then-President Donald Trump tried to dismantle former President Barack Obama’s health care law, but they died in the statehouse.

Republican lawmakers consistently opposed efforts to ask v**ers to enshrine health care as a right in Oregon's 163-year-old constitution.

Related video: Republicans abandon efforts to repeal Obamacare
Scroll back up to restore default view.
“The bill doesn’t fund any system to deliver on that promise,” then-Senate Republican Leader Fred Girod said when the resolution was debated in March 2021.

Steiner Hayward recently told The Oregonian/OregonLive that if the measure passes next month, the state's current resources can handle any financial impact in the immediate future. But she would not rule out possible future tax increases to help provide that health care.

"Can I guarantee no new taxes? No. I don’t make promises like that,” Steiner Hayward said.

Oregon has a history of being a trendsetter for other liberal states: It was the first to legalize suicide for the terminally ill and was the first to designate itself as a sanctuary state to protect immigrants living in the country illegally. The state has also expanded coverage on a******ns and other reproductive services regardless of income, citizenship status or g****r identity.

Three dozen organizations, including health workers, unions and educators, called the new b****t measure “a critical first step to creating an Oregon where everyone can afford to be healthy.”

Those signing a statement of support in the v**ers' pamphlet included the Oregon Nurses Association; Providence Health & Services — a nonprofit Catholic health care system with multiple hospitals; the Oregon Academy of Family Physicians; and the Service Employees International Union, the largest labor union in Oregon.

The proposed amendment states: “It is the obligation of the state to ensure that every resident of Oregon has access to cost-effective, clinically appropriate and affordable health care as a fundamental right.”

It goes on to say that the state's obligation “must be balanced against the public interest in funding public schools and other essential public services.”

But it doesn’t define “cost-effective, clinically appropriate and affordable,” or who is supposed to be footing the bill.

The Oregon Health Authority says 94% of Oregonians already have insurance coverage, and that more are eligible for the Oregon Medicaid plan or a subsidy to reduce the cost of commercial health coverage.

But Steiner Hayward noted that having insurance doesn't guarantee access.

“We know that we have health care deserts in the state. We know that our primary care system is overstretched," she said. “We need to be thinking about how do we change all of those things to ensure that having good health insurance means having good access to health care.”

The measure was long championed by Democratic state Rep. Mitch Greenlick, who died in 2020 at age 85, a year before the Legislature approved putting it on the b****t.

In 2018, when the bill came up for a v**e in the House, Greenlick described how he was diagnosed with lymphoma in 2005 and relied on insurance to pay huge treatment costs.

“If I didn’t have insurance, I wouldn’t be here,” Greenlick said. “I would be dead.”

GOP Rep. Kim Wallan wrote in opposition to the measure in the v**ers' pamphlet, saying it would likely wind up being litigated.

“The courts would probably force the state to fully fund health care, leaving police and education scrambling for funding,” she wrote.

Tina Kotek, who was then the House speaker and is now the Democratic candidate for governor, supports the initiative and says its goal is “primarily aspirational.”

Republican candidate Christine Drazan opposes Measure 111 because of potential budgetary impacts. Unaffiliated candidate Betsy Johnson v**ed against the bill when she was a state senator but says she'll implement the mandate if Oregonians approve it and it is financially feasible.

___

Follow AP’s coverage of the e******ns at: https://apnews.com/hub/2022-midterm-e******ns

Check out https://apnews.com/hub/explaining-the-e******ns to learn more about the issues and factors at play in the 2022 midterm e******ns.
When v**ers are able to v**e on issues, that is th... (show quote)




And the walls..... keep tumbing down.

Nice last ditch flailing...... like a parting groan of a dispatched enemy.

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Oct 28, 2022 07:05:28   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
336Robin wrote:
When v**ers are able to v**e on issues, that is the more perfect governance. Not this party rhetoric and passle of lies we have today. Look to Oregon to trust their taxpayers to make choices on health care.



Associated Press
Oregon could be 1st state to make health care a human right


SALEM, Ore. (AP) — Oregon v**ers are being asked to decide whether the state should be the first in the nation to amend its constitution to explicitly declare that affordable health care is a fundamental human right.

State Sen. Elizabeth Steiner Hayward, a main sponsor of the legislation behind the b****t measure, said making health care a human right is a value statement and is not aimed at pushing Oregon to a single-payer health care system, a longtime goal of many progressives.

But opponents warn the amendment could trigger legal and political woes and open the door to lawsuits.

Measure 111 got onto the Nov. 8 b****t because the Legislature, where Democrats hold a majority, referred the issue to v**ers last year. There were earlier efforts, including in 2018 as then-President Donald Trump tried to dismantle former President Barack Obama’s health care law, but they died in the statehouse.

Republican lawmakers consistently opposed efforts to ask v**ers to enshrine health care as a right in Oregon's 163-year-old constitution.

Related video: Republicans abandon efforts to repeal Obamacare
Scroll back up to restore default view.
“The bill doesn’t fund any system to deliver on that promise,” then-Senate Republican Leader Fred Girod said when the resolution was debated in March 2021.

Steiner Hayward recently told The Oregonian/OregonLive that if the measure passes next month, the state's current resources can handle any financial impact in the immediate future. But she would not rule out possible future tax increases to help provide that health care.

"Can I guarantee no new taxes? No. I don’t make promises like that,” Steiner Hayward said.

Oregon has a history of being a trendsetter for other liberal states: It was the first to legalize suicide for the terminally ill and was the first to designate itself as a sanctuary state to protect immigrants living in the country illegally. The state has also expanded coverage on a******ns and other reproductive services regardless of income, citizenship status or g****r identity.

Three dozen organizations, including health workers, unions and educators, called the new b****t measure “a critical first step to creating an Oregon where everyone can afford to be healthy.”

Those signing a statement of support in the v**ers' pamphlet included the Oregon Nurses Association; Providence Health & Services — a nonprofit Catholic health care system with multiple hospitals; the Oregon Academy of Family Physicians; and the Service Employees International Union, the largest labor union in Oregon.

The proposed amendment states: “It is the obligation of the state to ensure that every resident of Oregon has access to cost-effective, clinically appropriate and affordable health care as a fundamental right.”

It goes on to say that the state's obligation “must be balanced against the public interest in funding public schools and other essential public services.”

But it doesn’t define “cost-effective, clinically appropriate and affordable,” or who is supposed to be footing the bill.

The Oregon Health Authority says 94% of Oregonians already have insurance coverage, and that more are eligible for the Oregon Medicaid plan or a subsidy to reduce the cost of commercial health coverage.

But Steiner Hayward noted that having insurance doesn't guarantee access.

“We know that we have health care deserts in the state. We know that our primary care system is overstretched," she said. “We need to be thinking about how do we change all of those things to ensure that having good health insurance means having good access to health care.”

The measure was long championed by Democratic state Rep. Mitch Greenlick, who died in 2020 at age 85, a year before the Legislature approved putting it on the b****t.

In 2018, when the bill came up for a v**e in the House, Greenlick described how he was diagnosed with lymphoma in 2005 and relied on insurance to pay huge treatment costs.

“If I didn’t have insurance, I wouldn’t be here,” Greenlick said. “I would be dead.”

GOP Rep. Kim Wallan wrote in opposition to the measure in the v**ers' pamphlet, saying it would likely wind up being litigated.

“The courts would probably force the state to fully fund health care, leaving police and education scrambling for funding,” she wrote.

Tina Kotek, who was then the House speaker and is now the Democratic candidate for governor, supports the initiative and says its goal is “primarily aspirational.”

Republican candidate Christine Drazan opposes Measure 111 because of potential budgetary impacts. Unaffiliated candidate Betsy Johnson v**ed against the bill when she was a state senator but says she'll implement the mandate if Oregonians approve it and it is financially feasible.

___

Follow AP’s coverage of the e******ns at: https://apnews.com/hub/2022-midterm-e******ns

Check out https://apnews.com/hub/explaining-the-e******ns to learn more about the issues and factors at play in the 2022 midterm e******ns.
When v**ers are able to v**e on issues, that is th... (show quote)


If Oregon citizens want to provide universal healthcare, I am all for it. As long as they can pay for it without the federal government bailing them out. I think universal healthcare is an excellent idea IF AND WHEN it can be done efficiently, effectively, and within a reasonable budget. So far no such plan exists or has been proposed. No, not even in Europe or Canada. States like Oregon who WANT to do so provides a wonderful case study to see if their ideas can be made to work. That is assuming that it is given the time to function or fail, and the evaluation is honest and accurate, and the trial isn't 'r****d' they way politicians love to do in order to justify their actions.
I look forward to the next ten years to seeing how this works.
Ten years should be the minimum.
But we all know that in six months the Democrats will be demanding that the Oregon plan be taken national because "the crisis to too big and too immediate, and we just KNOW the Oregon plan is working perfectly!"

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Oct 28, 2022 08:30:46   #
336Robin Loc: North Carolina
 
RandyBrian wrote:
If Oregon citizens want to provide universal healthcare, I am all for it. As long as they can pay for it without the federal government bailing them out. I think universal healthcare is an excellent idea IF AND WHEN it can be done efficiently, effectively, and within a reasonable budget. So far no such plan exists or has been proposed. No, not even in Europe or Canada. States like Oregon who WANT to do so provides a wonderful case study to see if their ideas can be made to work. That is assuming that it is given the time to function or fail, and the evaluation is honest and accurate, and the trial isn't 'r****d' they way politicians love to do in order to justify their actions.
I look forward to the next ten years to seeing how this works.
Ten years should be the minimum.
But we all know that in six months the Democrats will be demanding that the Oregon plan be taken national because "the crisis to too big and too immediate, and we just KNOW the Oregon plan is working perfectly!"
If Oregon citizens want to provide universal healt... (show quote)


It's hard to make a health care plan work, when the politicians are letting the medical industry escalate the cost because they are in their back pockets. A start of this would be to allow Medicare to negotiate drug prices. When medical costs go down the feasibility of health programs goes up.

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