Strycker Loc: The middle of somewhere else.

I can accept that one issue v**ers on both sides will cast a v**e only on a******n. However, In 2016 Republicans v**ed against Hillary and political elites. In 2020 Democrats v**ed against Trump. In 2022 what policies of the last two years are Democrats v****g for more of? Or are Democrats just v****g against Republicans again regardless of consequences?

robertv3

Soon after Biden took office I noticed that C***d "Rapidtests" became easy to get, and masks became easy to get. That was good. I can v**e for more of that kind of thing.

Under the Biden administration, the U.S. rejoined the Paris "Accord" or Paris "Agreement" on C*****e C****e. I can v**e for more of that kind of thing.

Under Democrat leadership, the House has its J*** 6 Select Committee public hearings. I can v**e for more of that kind of thing.

Trump rules as if nothing were more important than a juvenile popularity contest, or as if the mean girls in the movie "Mean Girls" were the standard of behavior for a president. I can v**e against that and against the party that supports him.

I can v**e against Republicans because I don't want them being in a majority and doing any more stuff like Mitch McConnell's stacking of the Supreme Court.

You used the word "elites" in the phrase "political elites". I consider both the word and the phrase to be undefined. (That's because Donald Trump is obviously some kind of elite, but Trump supporters deride "elites" as though they don't know he's an elite. So I think they're lacking definition of terms.)

What Republicans say often looks unintelligent and corrosive. For example, Republicans cut taxes on wealthy people, which doesn't make sense to me, and then Republicans blame Democrats for the ensuing debt (because government tax income is lower, which leads to larger deficits). Republicans seem unintelligent about taxation. But Democrats tend not to say nor do those kinds of unintelligent things about taxes.

Generally Democrats seem more intelligent, while Republicans look like one big disaster after another. Over the past 40 years I have become less and less likely to v**e for any Republicans at all. When Republicans get majorities they suppress v**ers, mess up government, and put or keep people like Mitch McConnell and Donald Trump in office. Republican administrations have many more of their members be convicted of crimes.

So many Republicans (like Greene and Trump) don't even try to be sensible. Most politicians are kind of irritating but the Democrats are more likely to at least try to be sensible.

I think Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren, for example, have some good ideas. I can't imagine Elizabeth Warren being anything but sensible.

I mostly admire Ilhan Omar (there was one thing in her book I disagree with). I love that AOC spoke about a "Green New Deal", and I think that criticism about her doing that looks unintelligent and/or mean-spirited, as if those critics aren't smart enough to know how progress works or how ideas start.

I believe that Republicans have a tendency to fear, h**e, or deride new ideas or things different from their traditions. I don't want to fear, h**e, nor deride new ideas or different things.

When I v**e, I'm likely to v**e for a lot of Democrats and probably no Republicans at all. There are a few Republicans I like and think might be good candidates, but I probably wouldn't v**e for them because I don't want the Republican party to have a majority because then we get people in power like Trump or McConnell.

I typically read candidate statements and proposition arguments. But there are a few things on a b****t that I don't know enough about to have an opinion or I just think I don't know enough to make a wise decision on those items, and I leave those blank on my b****t.

In her book, Ilhan Omar advocates that everybody who has a right to v**e should exercise that right by v****g. But I think it's important to make _informed_ v**es and _not_ make uninformed v**es. That's why I try to v**e only the parts of the b****t that I know something about, and I think it's wrong to v**e on an item that you don't know anything about.

American Vet

Left wing rant - and certainly a long-winded one - filled with typical democrat talking points and falsehoods.

Strycker Loc: The middle of somewhere else.

What is amazing to me, assuming that your positions are personally considered and genuine, is that we both may hear the same facts and come up with totally opposing conclusions.

AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State

He frequently posts diatribes based strictly on CNN, NYT and MSNBC talking points.

hygrometer3

robertv3--you IQ is way off the chart--it's in the basement with your poopy pants hero Biden!!!

Wonttakeitanymore

Where oh where do these zombies come from! At least this guy named his insanity!

Wonttakeitanymore

Turn ur mask into a muzzle

Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX

They love committing crimes and being home for supper.

robertv3

To resolve that, we would need to pick one item and delve deeper and deeper into the philosophies that underlie it.

Strycker Loc: The middle of somewhere else.

Okay. Pick any one and present your history, perspective and philosophy. Include what you think might be the longer term consequences or end goals of current actions you support.

robertv3

You want _me_ to do the work for both of us?

Offhand, I think of picking the issue of "c*****e c****e" and what to do about it.

You give a list of things you want me to include:

1. history:

Oil companies (or at least some of them) have known since the 1950s that their industry was likely to have dire effects on the atmosphere.

2. perspective:

We know that something's wrong with the atmosphere, as soon as we visit cousins in Los Angeles and notice it's smoggy. One of our favorite cousins says that on some days she has to lie down on her bed because the air is so bad she can't do anything else. Back in Oklahoma, where we're from, we never experienced anything comparable except when we drove by a smelter or oil refinery. There was a pig farm we walked by sometimes but that seems less toxic. It's been generally understood all my life that cars burning gasoline has something to do with smog. Nowadays oil and smog and atmosphere and climate have been in the news a lot for the past twenty years. What I learned in school, and the people I've worked with during most of my work life, have been followers of science; and my understanding of science, and their understanding of science, includes the general consensus among scientists (with few exceptions -- and I even doubt the sincerity of the exceptions) that human societies should pull back from their pollution (particularly greenhouse gas emissions) so that g****l w*****g and too-rapid c*****e c****es don't happen so quickly as they would otherwise do. What looks to me like respectable news sources indicate that most of the world is onboard with this idea.

3. philosophy:

The well-being of vast numbers of people has a higher value than the wealth of relatively few people.

4. longer term consequences or end goals of current actions that I support:

You don't mind giving me tough assignments, do you? To unpack this item I have to start with "current actions that I support":

4.a. Rejoining the Paris Climate Accord/Agreement. This supports cooperative action and pooling knowledge. It represents a few steps along a long road. It goes in the right direction instead of the wrong direction.

4.a. has been done about two years ago after Biden took office.

4.b. reduce subsidies that oil companies get.

So far as I know, 4.b. hasn't been done yet.

4.c. regulate the industries that pollute, for example the ones that cause a lot of greenhouse gases to go into the atmosphere. Regulate them in such a way that they will do less such pollutions.

There's been some effort to do 4.c. but it's not sufficient yet. We can see the battle lines drawn over some of it, and start to understand why some people are on one side and some other people are on the other side, of it.

4, continued: End goals:

4, goals, (a): To have a world where fewer people have to lie on their bed because the air is so bad they can't do anything else.

4, goals, (b): To buy time for my children so they will be able to adapt fast enough to keep up with the c*****e c****es. Buying time in this context means slowing down the emissions of greenhouse gases, among other things.

4, continued: Longer term consequences: I believe so much damage has already been done that things will get worse for the next several decades. We can slow it down, by emitting less of greenhouse gases, studying the matter in cooperative ways, and adapting early to what is happening now and what will happen in the future. The longer term consequences of doing the right things is that people will adapt more successfully, and so my children, among billions of others, will have a better life than they would have if we fail to do the right things.

4, continued, Longer term consequences, continued: There is a chance that technological solutions will be found and successfully implemented, to reverse the effects of greenhouse gases. But finding the right solutions is likely to be tricky business, and implementing them wisely would be almost a crapshoot thus far -- a dangerous game. The one thing that the most people can agree on and do now is to pollute less, and that's one of the main things we should do. In the future, our planet will be a better place to live or a worse place to live, largely according to how much we pollute now. Also: Some people have said that the polluting industries do more good than harm. But I say that wh**ever good they're doing can be done with less pollution.

American Vet

And what do we do after America 'goes green', ruins our economy and way of life - and nothing happens because the rest of the world keeps chugging along.

The best path for American to become independent of foreign oil by using the HUGE capabilities we have. Then begin research into other options in a careful, controlled manner - instead of rushing crazily into wind/solar and their well-documented inadequacies and failures.

Bevvy

so you are v****g for inflation !

AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State

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