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Jun 2, 2013 15:32:44   #
usmc4
 
oldroy wrote:
Let me help you with how treaties become law in the United States. I will give you a link to the US Senate itself where the treaty approval is discussed.

http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/Treaties.htm

You can find here that although the Senate doesn't ratify treaties they do give approval or disapproval of resolutions for ratification of treaties. I have some trouble separating actual ratification and what the Senate does in giving its advice and consent, but maybe I am not smart enough or well educated enough to understand things like this.

The Senate has already given The One their advice and consent about the UN Small Arms Treaty, commonly called ATT, and it has showed that the necessary super-majority, (2/3) of them won't v**e for it. Of course, once he signs it he will have the State Department draw up the resolution for the Senate in hopes that it can ride to 2015 when he may see enough Dems get seats in the Senate to give approval.

This treaty will be considered law by all UN members when Obama signs it but our Constitution isn't theirs to control, yet. I say yet because things like Agenda 21 that they have afloat are looking to that happening and too many of our progressives are in favor of Agenda 21.
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Only 550,000,000 people in the world. There's a monument in Georgia with that inscription. People think your whacko when you mention Agenda 21 or the New World Order. This Small Arms Treaty is just one step closer to a NWO. The UN treaty will require universal gun registration, which will be shared with all other UN countries. Iran, North Korea and Syria have refused to sign. I can't believe I'm saying this, but I agree with them on this one.

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Jun 2, 2013 23:22:42   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
usmc4 wrote:
Only 550,000,000 people in the world. There's a monument in Georgia with that inscription. People think your whacko when you mention Agenda 21 or the New World Order. This Small Arms Treaty is just one step closer to a NWO. The UN treaty will require universal gun registration, which will be shared with all other UN countries. Iran, North Korea and Syria have refused to sign. I can't believe I'm saying this, but I agree with them on this one.


I wonder how many people know any of that about ATT. Most don't have any idea that it is really nothing but registration from top to bottom and that the lists will be shared with the UN, any of the countries who want it etc. It is too bad but too many don't know.

I don't think many people know about Agenda 21 and sure most of those who have some idea don't know about it being purely population control. I will not give up any of my guns in order for troops in blue helmets to take me somewhere I don't want to go so they will have to come through them to get me.

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Jun 3, 2013 09:25:55   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
oldroy wrote:
Let me help you with how treaties become law in the United States. I will give you a link to the US Senate itself where the treaty approval is discussed.

http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/Treaties.htm

You can find here that although the Senate doesn't ratify treaties they do give approval or disapproval of resolutions for ratification of treaties. I have some trouble separating actual ratification and what the Senate does in giving its advice and consent, but maybe I am not smart enough or well educated enough to understand things like this.

The Senate has already given The One their advice and consent about the UN Small Arms Treaty, commonly called ATT, and it has showed that the necessary super-majority, (2/3) of them won't v**e for it. Of course, once he signs it he will have the State Department draw up the resolution for the Senate in hopes that it can ride to 2015 when he may see enough Dems get seats in the Senate to give approval.

This treaty will be considered law by all UN members when Obama signs it but our Constitution isn't theirs to control, yet. I say yet because things like Agenda 21 that they have afloat are looking to that happening and too many of our progressives are in favor of Agenda 21.
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Thanks for the link... So... ATT only needs the president's signature and consensus from a 2/3 majority in Senate. I don't think it will get 2/3. Also, from what I can tell so far (I'm not done looking at this) ATT presents no immediate danger to the 2nd Amendment.

It's also interesting that the only countries that have issued a "no" v**e on ATT is North Korea, Iran and Syria. I do actually see the massive U.S. export of small arms as a problematic business in a violent world of terrorism. I just don't know if it's possible to find a compromise between supplying dangerous people with weapons and preserving an arms-based resistance to our own government.

I guess I see the export business as having the greater and more immediate negative impact. Despite all the paranoia AND drama, I don't think we are THAT close to having to turn our own guns against our own military. And... despite all our patriotic poetry, I believe that our comfort level is based far more on resources than it is on freedom. I hope that by the time our resources dwindle to serious levels, we as a people will become strong enough (mental conviction) to consider more effective ways to defeat the advance of tyranny. In the meantime, I don't put a lot of stock on a bunch of overfed drama queens with guns.

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Jun 3, 2013 09:55:44   #
TheCracker
 
Ol'Roy.

You are wasting your time with the twit "Straight up".
His moniker is derived by the position of his wine bottle, not his penis.

However. If you want to get a understanding of just what is wrong with our country, and what is causing it. Read this twits words.

The C*****r
cmvrwc

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Jun 3, 2013 11:07:52   #
usmc4
 
straightUp wrote:
Thanks for the link... So... ATT only needs the president's signature and consensus from a 2/3 majority in Senate. I don't think it will get 2/3. Also, from what I can tell so far (I'm not done looking at this) ATT presents no immediate danger to the 2nd Amendment.

It's also interesting that the only countries that have issued a "no" v**e on ATT is North Korea, Iran and Syria. I do actually see the massive U.S. export of small arms as a problematic business in a violent world of terrorism. I just don't know if it's possible to find a compromise between supplying dangerous people with weapons and preserving an arms-based resistance to our own government.

I guess I see the export business as having the greater and more immediate negative impact. Despite all the paranoia AND drama, I don't think we are THAT close to having to turn our own guns against our own military. And... despite all our patriotic poetry, I believe that our comfort level is based far more on resources than it is on freedom. I hope that by the time our resources dwindle to serious levels, we as a people will become strong enough (mental conviction) to consider more effective ways to defeat the advance of tyranny. In the meantime, I don't put a lot of stock on a bunch of overfed drama queens with guns.
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I truly hope you don't have to eat those words in your last sentence.

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Jun 3, 2013 12:26:20   #
The Dutchman
 
straightUp wrote:
I don't put a lot of stock on a bunch of overfed drama queens with guns.

usmc4 wrote:
I truly hope you don't have to eat those words in your last sentence.


I truely hope it does!

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Jun 3, 2013 13:05:34   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
usmc4 wrote:
I truly hope you don't have to eat those words in your last sentence.

I don't think I have to worry about that.

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Jun 3, 2013 13:25:51   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
The Dutchman wrote:
straightUp wrote:
I don't put a lot of stock on a bunch of overfed drama queens with guns.


I truely hope it does!


I see what you're saying... and I agree that it would be better if a bunch of overfed drama queens with guns *could* defend our liberties from a tyrannical government, but I just know it won't happen. Just look at some of the reactions to what I said... emotional from insult, void of intellectual response. Not exactly a promising picture.

This is why I said that I hope by the time the need arises we will have a more serious culture of resistance.

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Jun 3, 2013 13:29:17   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
straightUp wrote:
I don't think I have to worry about that.


Are you without teeth or do you have a bigger gun than any of us? I think you may need to get something that will help you digest those words.

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Jun 3, 2013 14:13:43   #
straightUp Loc: California
 
oldroy wrote:
Are you without teeth or do you have a bigger gun than any of us? I think you may need to get something that will help you digest those words.

drama...

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Jun 3, 2013 14:45:11   #
The Dutchman
 
oldroy wrote:
Are you without teeth or do you have a bigger gun than any of us? I think you may need to get something that will help you digest those words.

straightUp wrote:
drama...


Yep! Your a drama queen alright, living in an imaginary dream world.

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Jun 3, 2013 19:01:22   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
The Dutchman wrote:
oldroy wrote:
Are you without teeth or do you have a bigger gun than any of us? I think you may need to get something that will help you digest those words.



Yep! Your a drama queen alright, living in an imaginary dream world.


Maybe since Obama doesn't know how to spell t***h or what it means, zippy may not know what drama means.

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