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Read these comments from people in the donbas and see if you can see a bit of t***h about what is really going on there. Their stories are consistent and cross reference very well. IOW, they are true. We are not hearing the t***h and ignoring these people and their stories is wrong.




Hello,
Please.forgive my intrusion, and if I offend , please know that is not my intention . I simply hope to.learn and freely admit current ignorance of the situation.
The majority of people in my country are baying for blood right now. We are being flooded with atrocity stories, and while I know every war has atrocities, I also know false atrocity stories are part of war and I don't believe everything I hear. And I do know there were attacks on separatists regions for the last 8 years.
I always suspect when only one side of a story is told, something is very wrong.
I believe if people knew both sides of the story, things would change. Surely it could.not make matters worse.
Could you possibly advise on where those of us who don't believe what our politicians and media tell us could find more information.
How can we find out about Ukranian aggression against your region, show that this isn't all one sided?
Is there anyway we can disprove some of their claims?
Britain is a nation of dog lovers and claims of attacks on dog shelters and on children are being used to beat the drums of.war. I have no idea what a and is not true. But my Grandfather always said, every story has at least three sides. I try to see them all.
If you can suggest any sites or information, for those who wish to see another side, please do.
I am.afraid I can only read English though, and most of my friends are the same.
I hope you find peace, that this is the darkest period that comes before the dawn, and things will begin to improve soon.



When Alexandre Kontorovitch and I started our little project, it was 2020. I came for the second time at the Stars over Donbass festival in Donetsk and as part of the festival we visited several schools. We talked to them about creative work and talked with the children. Two and a half years have passed. I started communicating with Russian children a lot and in that communication I understood many of my peers don't know what is happening in our country and why.


A long investigation listing some of the murders in Ukraine, the SBU its political police, or the fact of ultranationalists and f**gists or simply domestic political crimes that became the mark of the country, a true st andard, a way to rule and inspire terror, an instrument of power that Ukraine also uses in its war and which unfortunately has never been, or so little, reported in the West which eventually becomes complicit. The list is far from exhaustive, it would have taken me three days to write it and I could go on for weeks of research, but it gives an edifying taste of what the Ukrainian death commandos are, and assassination bie soon erected to the same status as that of the cult Heroes of Ukraine...


On September 17, 2022, the Ukrainian army bombed the center of Donetsk in the DPRD (Donetsk People's Republic) with Caesar self-propelled cannons and 155mm French TRF1 cannons, k*****g four civilians and injuring eight others.


Unsurprisingly after the Ukrainian Armed Forces (FAU) recapture of Izioum, near Kharkov, Ukraine gives us a reissue of Boutcha, trying to use the graves of civilians k**led by bombing and those of its k**led soldiers in the battle to take control of the city, to make it look like a massacre of civilians by the Russians.


On September 9, 2022, we met in Marioupol, Evgueny, a resident and co-builder of a real estate complex located in the city center. He told us how Ukrainian soldiers used the apartments as shooting points, and civilians trapped in the basements as human shields.


The public buildings where Evguéni lives and the two Natachas who testified about what they saw during the Marioupol siege, Azov's elite shooters, the use of images for propaganda, civilians in caves, weeks of ango isse and the human casualties incurred by Russian troops for grab this strategic location in the city, as these buildings dominated an entire sector. If they had really used all their artillery power, the Russians could have razed the buildings completely, but they knew many civilians were used as shields. Evguéni showed me a bust of the great poet Alexander Pushkin, Russia's most iconic writer, whom he saved from ruins, a way to show how these people remained human and attached to Russian culture and civilization, we s ommes here I remind you of Marioupol, in The Donbass.

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Evguéni, a resident of Marioupol, denies the Russians deporting civilians and explains how images from the cellars where he was a refugee were used in Ukraine to talk about a "concentrate camp" ion" in Marioupol and the departure in "goulags" of these "Ukrainians", actually ethnic Russians as in all of Donbass and most of Eastern Ukraine. One of the French journalists who is in question in this children's tale, is Luc Chagnon, I let you find out who this character is, who is still a student at the higher school of journalism in Lille and at Sciences Po, he defended this year Eee two masters. The brave trainee was proclaimed a specialist of Russia, where he has never set foot, nor in Ukraine, and does not speak either of the two languages. This would be very funny if it wasn't for France-Info... a powerful French public media. Beyond the articles it's always interesting to dig to figure out who wrote the article. I was not disappointed, but this makes the supposed "information" in France all the more ridiculous.

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Ukraine has surprised the world by finally staging an intelligently conducted military operation probably imagined by western NATO officials. She gets a masterful tactical victory with multiple consequences, namely, first that she grabs the strategic initiative, that she brings her first victory in this war, which will fuel hope and enable to convince the It's Western to endlessly finance this war. It's a blow to the prestige of the Russian army which will have to reorganize and heads in major states will probably fall. Russia must now stabilize the front, to do so it has abandoned important territories, where unfortunately there are massive pro-Russians who will fall into the hands of the terrible political police of the SBU. One may think that covered by the Westerners, they will have free hands to make worse what they did in the Donbass in 2014-2015, arrests, arbitrary executions, torture and political repression of unprecedented violence. Now the war is entering another phase, Russia once the front stabilized will have to take this initiative to go back on, the war has gone on for several years as I already announced a long time ago. The price of blood will have to be paid for this victory, which will be, but as always wars never play out the way the public would have, nor even sometimes the major states.

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Some photos and images of the Kievskaya Rous Retaliation Battalion, a battalion recruited in the Kiev region and which you will see in history played an important role in 2014, despite going under the radar at the time. It still exists in the 59th Motorized Brigade of the Ukrainian Army. This battalion delivered itself to political exactions, l**ting and repression in the Donbass, including Slaviansk and Seversk.

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After a report where the journalist mistook a metal chimney for a Russian missile, France 2 is at it again, with a video that seeks to show patriotic Ukrainian children, but actually shows a Kiev sauce reissue It's Hitler's youth.

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The Zbroutch Battalion... a territorial unit that was formed to defend Ukraine against the phantom Russian aggression of 2014, but whose men refused to go to fight in the Donbass. His history is riddled with mutiny, repeat scandals, corrupt and drunk officers, and murderous explosions of ammunition depots as a result of the incompetence of the officers themselves and the lack of training of men. Delivered to themselves, barely fed, some were sent to the border with Crimea, then by force, the military authorities turned the battalion into a regular army formation. Sent to the front, he was eventually poured into the 128th Mountain Infantry Brigade, which is currently fighting on the Donbass front and suffered heavy losses.

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On August 31, 2018, the head of the People's Republic of Donetsk (DPR) Alexandre Zakhartchenko was assassinated in a terrorist attack led by Ukrainian authorities. He dreamed of a liberated Donbass joining the federation from Russia. Despite his murder, Alexandre Zakhartchenko's unfinished dream is coming true. Unfortunately he won't be there to see it.

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People in the US say this is Russian propaganda. I think not. These are people who have chosen not to be Ukrainian.

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The people of Crimea chose not to be under Ukraine Kiev before the USSR broke up. In 2014 they v**ed again and had virtually the same result. This was when the people of the donbas v**ed to do the same.

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Diana is an 81-year-old grandmother, living in a small village on the edge of the large forest of the Sviatogorsk National Park, between Slaviansk and Liman. I went to this region where I listened to her story, she was stopped by the Ukrainian political police, the SBU, taken to Marioupol to the headquarters of this sinister police, d**gged in a basement, beaten and tortured for three hours (in 2015) then age 74), then was released after spending 8 months in a city prison. She has been returning home and has been waiting for the Russian army since casting a b****t in favor of independence and freedom of Donbass in 2014. She lives among the ruins with other refugees in a house very close to the front and hopes that "boys" will hunt down the f**g bearers forever.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Great thread...

Nut I imagine the lines are drawn for most already...

LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago

I've been saying for some time now, that when a country's rulers, v**ed into office via e******ns of the people, are over thrown in a c**p; The people of the country have a right to not be a part of the new country. That is what happened in the donbas. The elected president was chased out of the country in fear for his life. That breaks all deals. You don't get a right to put in a new leader over the wishes of the people that already had a leader of their own choosing. These people have a right to say that if you won't accept the leader that was v**ed in, we have a right to move on and associate with others of our own choosing and form a country of our own.

Imagine if we forced biden out through street protests, and he ra n to England in fear of his life. Then the red states v**ed in Trump. Would those in the blue states demand their right to either have biden back in charge or we separate.

That is what happened in Ukraine. The people of the Donbas want to move on without the western half of Ukraine. For there efforts the Ukraine government has attacked them for 8 years before Russia move in.

That would be like the Red states bombing the blue states for 8 years, k*****g 14,000 civilians who just want to move on.

Get it now?

Logically Right.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

Of course the Putin/Russia h**ers will never see it this way, but it is what it is and as you say, when outsiders stage gov changes, all deals are off the table.