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Sep 19, 2022 05:33:10   #
ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island
 
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Sep 19, 2022 07:49:03   #
Kevyn
 
ACP45 wrote:
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Your silly post simply shows that a softer object like a bird can destroy a hard object such as the reinforced aluminum fuselage of aircraft as a result of high impact velocity. This is why straw can be driven into trees in a tornado, or a large front end loader bucket filled with water can crush an automobile when it is dumped.

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Sep 19, 2022 08:09:40   #
ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island
 
Kevyn wrote:
Your silly post simply shows that a softer object like a bird can destroy a hard object such as the reinforced aluminum fuselage of aircraft as a result of high impact velocity. This is why straw can be driven into trees in a tornado, or a large front end loader bucket filled with water can crush an automobile when it is dumped.


So continue your logic. The reinforced aluminum fuselage of an airplane, vs. the Concrete and Steel tower designed and built to withstand the impact of an airplane....

What should that suggest to a person with a reasonable IQ?



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Sep 19, 2022 16:57:50   #
BIRDMAN
 
ACP45 wrote:
So continue your logic. The reinforced aluminum fuselage of an airplane, vs. the Concrete and Steel tower designed and built to withstand the impact of an airplane....

What should that suggest to a person with a reasonable IQ?


You outsmarted him u won’t hear back

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Sep 20, 2022 16:06:11   #
hygrometer3
 
Little man-boy-kevey--has a hard time tying his shoes--Your chart ACP-45 is miles over his one cell brain power--Poor man-boy!!!

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Sep 20, 2022 18:36:21   #
maryla
 
Birdmam wrote:
You outsmarted him u won’t hear back


Yep, Kevvy had to take a back seat...

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Sep 20, 2022 19:00:54   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
ACP45 wrote:
So continue your logic. The reinforced aluminum fuselage of an airplane, vs. the Concrete and Steel tower designed and built to withstand the impact of an airplane....

What should that suggest to a person with a reasonable IQ?
You are telling us you have absolutely no clue of the dynamic physical forces involved in the collision of a 140 ton jet traveling at 500 mph with the standing wall of a building the volume of which was 80% air.

The engineer who designed the twin towers said the buildings were built to withstand the impact of a commercial jet flying a low speed approach to landing, not a jet flying at cruise speeds.



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Sep 20, 2022 19:24:23   #
ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
You are telling us you have absolutely no clue of the dynamic physical forces involved in the collision of a 140 ton jet traveling at 500 mph with the standing wall of a building the volume of which was 80% air.

The engineer who designed the twin towers said the buildings were built to withstand the impact of a commercial jet flying a low speed approach to landing, not a jet flying at cruise speeds.


Sorry Pal, I'll stick with the Architects and Engineers for 9-11 T***h, and their reports:

1) Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe

[http://www2.ae911t***h.org/downloads/Full_Thermite_paper.pdf]

2) Evidence for the Explosive Demolition of World Trade Center, Building 7 on 9/11

[http://www2.ae911t***h.org/downloads/Republic-Magazine16_AE911T***h.pdf]

3) 29 Structural/Civil Engineers Cite Evidence for Controlled Demolition in Destruction of WTC

[http://www2.ae911t***h.org/downloads/29_Structural-Civil_Engineers_2009-06-17.pdf]

4) The NIST Analyses: A Close Look at WTC 7

[http://www2.ae911t***h.org/downloads/NIST_Analyses_Brookman.pdf]

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Sep 20, 2022 20:43:55   #
Wonttakeitanymore
 
ACP45 wrote:
So continue your logic. The reinforced aluminum fuselage of an airplane, vs. the Concrete and Steel tower designed and built to withstand the impact of an airplane....

What should that suggest to a person with a reasonable IQ?


U know he can’t answer that!! Reasonable IQ!! Lol

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Sep 20, 2022 21:19:33   #
valkyrierider Loc: "Land of Trump"
 
ACP45 wrote:
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Each side of every window in the twin towers had steel beams holding them in and this was to prevent an airplane from entering the building and these buildings had pyrotechnics built into the main structure to be able to easily take them down in the future. All the lawyers on that floor was absent from work that day and two days prior the banks in the basement were devoid of all money and gold. Nuff said

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Sep 21, 2022 01:29:36   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
valkyrierider wrote:
Each side of every window in the twin towers had steel beams holding them in and this was to prevent an airplane from entering the building and these buildings had pyrotechnics built into the main structure to be able to easily take them down in the future. All the lawyers on that floor was absent from work that day and two days prior the banks in the basement were devoid of all money and gold. Nuff said
Total bulls**t! I mean, seriously dude.

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Sep 21, 2022 02:26:18   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
You are telling us you have absolutely no clue of the dynamic physical forces involved in the collision of a 140 ton jet traveling at 500 mph with the standing wall of a building the volume of which was 80% air.

The engineer who designed the twin towers said the buildings were built to withstand the impact of a commercial jet flying a low speed approach to landing, not a jet flying at cruise speeds.


In addition, the impact did not destroy the towers. The crucial damage was done by full tanks of aviation fuel burning at thousands of degrees of heat weakening/softening the supporting structure of the buildings. Physics in action.

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Sep 21, 2022 03:53:01   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
RandyBrian wrote:
In addition, the impact did not destroy the towers. The crucial damage was done by full tanks of aviation fuel burning at thousands of degrees of heat weakening/softening the supporting structure of the buildings. Physics in action.
Actually only about half the jet full exploded into a fire ball, gallons of it poured down the stairwells, elevator shafts, and air ducts. Firefighters mentioned smelling jet fuel in the ground level lobby and people descending the stairs said they waded in it.

The tower offices were loaded with combustibles - paper, cardboard, plastics, fabric, wood, oils, lubricants, alcohol, cleaning solvents, tanks of pressurized gases, even thousands of butane lighters.

The fire ball lasted about 10 or 12 seconds, but it ignited fires on multiple floors. In addition, the aircraft impact caused floors both above and below the impact zone to collapse. A man in an office 6 floors below the impact zone in the North Tower phoned a NY news station and told them he and another guy were trapped and the place was filled with heavy smoke. He said it seemed the building came down all around them. They never made it out.

Temperatures of the fires in the towers reached 1800F in some areas.
At 800F steel begins to weaken, and at 1200F it loses 50% of its strength.
When heated, a free standing steel beam will expand longitudinally.
When heated, a load bearing column cannot expand along its length so it will warp and buckle, then break.

The notion that the WTC buildings were destroyed by controlled demolition is entirely foolish speculation.
In order for an explosive charge to severe a steel column, the charge must be securely attached directly to the steel itself, it must be either clamped, strapped, or heavily taped onto the column. This requires direct access to the column, and to gain direct access walls, elevator shafts, air ducts, plumbing, electrical and cable conduit and pipes, and any other obstacles must be opened or otherwise breached.

There are a million questions about the CD theory no 911 "inside jobber" has ever been able to answer.

The t***hers claim the buildings were r****d for a controlled demolition with explosive charges planted on every floor. What they don't tell us is how this was accomplished, and how the continuity of complex firing circuits was maintained when the jets blew out a dozen or so floors. The jet crash itself would have detonated or destroyed any explosive charges while at the same time destroying firing circuit continuity. The fires would have detonated or destroyed explosive charges, and it is telling that no explosions occurred above the impact zone.

The "troofers" are free to believe their fantasies about 9/11, but as one investigative journalist who wrote a book about al-Qaeda and 9/11 said, "the plan for the 'Planes Operation' conceived by Khalid Sheik Mohammed was brilliant."
But that is another story altogether.

Every 9/11 t***her should read: The Commission: The Uncensored History of the 9/11 Investigation
In a work of history that will make headlines, New York Times reporter Philip Shenon investigates the investigation of 9/11 and tells the inside story of most important federal commission since the the Warren Commission. Shenon uncovers startling new information about the inner workings of the 9/11 Commission and its relationship with the Bush White House. The Commission will change our understanding of the 9/11 investigation -- and of the attacks themselves.

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Sep 21, 2022 08:04:57   #
valkyrierider Loc: "Land of Trump"
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Total bulls**t! I mean, seriously dude.


Seriously not bulls**t. Go back and do your research.

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Sep 21, 2022 08:33:13   #
ACP45 Loc: Rhode Island
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Actually only about half the jet full exploded into a fire ball, gallons of it poured down the stairwells, elevator shafts, and air ducts. Firefighters mentioned smelling jet fuel in the ground level lobby and people descending the stairs said they waded in it.

The tower offices were loaded with combustibles - paper, cardboard, plastics, fabric, wood, oils, lubricants, alcohol, cleaning solvents, tanks of pressurized gases, even thousands of butane lighters.

The fire ball lasted about 10 or 12 seconds, but it ignited fires on multiple floors. In addition, the aircraft impact caused floors both above and below the impact zone to collapse. A man in an office 6 floors below the impact zone in the North Tower phoned a NY news station and told them he and another guy were trapped and the place was filled with heavy smoke. He said it seemed the building came down all around them. They never made it out.

Temperatures of the fires in the towers reached 1800F in some areas.
At 800F steel begins to weaken, and at 1200F it loses 50% of its strength.
When heated, a free standing steel beam will expand longitudinally.
When heated, a load bearing column cannot expand along its length so it will warp and buckle, then break.

The notion that the WTC buildings were destroyed by controlled demolition is entirely foolish speculation.
In order for an explosive charge to severe a steel column, the charge must be securely attached directly to the steel itself, it must be either clamped, strapped, or heavily taped onto the column. This requires direct access to the column, and to gain direct access walls, elevator shafts, air ducts, plumbing, electrical and cable conduit and pipes, and any other obstacles must be opened or otherwise breached.

There are a million questions about the CD theory no 911 "inside jobber" has ever been able to answer.

The t***hers claim the buildings were r****d for a controlled demolition with explosive charges planted on every floor. What they don't tell us is how this was accomplished, and how the continuity of complex firing circuits was maintained when the jets blew out a dozen or so floors. The jet crash itself would have detonated or destroyed any explosive charges while at the same time destroying firing circuit continuity. The fires would have detonated or destroyed explosive charges, and it is telling that no explosions occurred above the impact zone.

The "troofers" are free to believe their fantasies about 9/11, but as one investigative journalist who wrote a book about al-Qaeda and 9/11 said, "the plan for the 'Planes Operation' conceived by Khalid Sheik Mohammed was brilliant."
But that is another story altogether.

Every 9/11 t***her should read: The Commission: The Uncensored History of the 9/11 Investigation
In a work of history that will make headlines, New York Times reporter Philip Shenon investigates the investigation of 9/11 and tells the inside story of most important federal commission since the the Warren Commission. Shenon uncovers startling new information about the inner workings of the 9/11 Commission and its relationship with the Bush White House. The Commission will change our understanding of the 9/11 investigation -- and of the attacks themselves.
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Blade, Building 7 refutes your claim of "gallons of it poured down the stairwells, elevator shafts, and air ducts. Firefighters mentioned smelling jet fuel in the ground level lobby and people descending the stairs said they waded in it" unlike towers 1 and 2.

Point out to me any modern Steel and Concrete building anywhere else in the world exhibiting a controlled demolition collapse, let along 3 on 9-11.

I'm not going to led in a tit for tat discussion on 9-11. This subject has been beaten to death. People believe what they want to believe. Besides there is plenty of evidence of Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe, as well as molten metal. The maximum flame temperature increase for burning hydrocarbons (jet fuel) in air is, thus, about 1000 °C -- hardly sufficient to melt steel at 1500 °C.



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