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Aug 29, 2022 12:26:01   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
slatten49 wrote:
Opinion by Peter Wehner

We need to see things for what they are. When a president seeks to undo an e******n by spreading conspiracy theories and inciting a violent assault on the Capitol, when his every t***sgression deepens the devotion of his followers, when his party rallies behind him and becomes a battering ram against reality—America is in quite a bind.

Many Americans are, rightly, gravely concerned about the threat posed to our nation by the MAGA movement, which started with Donald Trump but has now engulfed almost the entire Republican Party. In recent days, I have heard from men and women whose level of alarm is rising fast.

“Each morally or legally wrong act only seems to give Trump’s soldiers more energy and cohesion,” I was told by a clinical psychologist who requested anonymity to speak candidly. “Their general can do wh**ever he wants now, and they will take up arms if he tells them to. It’s so, so dangerous.”

Bellevue Presbyterian Church’s senior pastor, Scott Dudley, who has been traveling to Rwanda and working with Rwandans for 20 years, told me that our political rhetoric is getting frighteningly similar to the dehumanizing anti-Tutsi rhetoric that paved the way for the genocide in 1994. Dudley specifically mentioned Newt Gingrich, the former speaker of the House. When asked about the FBI in the aftermath of the lawful search of Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home, Gingrich said, “We’d be better off to think of these people as wolves”—wolves who “want to eat you, wolves who want to dominate.”

Andrew DeCort, a Christian ethicist who has lived in Addis Ababa, told me that what we’re seeing in America brings up memories of what he’d observed in Ethiopia for years before civil war broke out. The United States isn’t on the verge of civil war or genocide, thankfully. “But the lies, the extremism, the raw hunger for power—it can only lead to pain and loss,” he told me.

Jonathan Rauch, a contributing writer for The Atlantic and a model of equanimity, told me he “feels shaken” by what he has seen from the Republican Party, especially since J****** 6, 2021. He described the “gleeful barbarism” and “the embrace of performative cruelty” that characterizes so much of the American right and said that it feels as if MAGA has sealed every exit.

I share these concerns; indeed, I have been warning about the threat Trump and his supporters present to American democracy and our political and civic culture since as far back as July 2015 and as recently as two weeks ago. Given that the situation seems to be getting worse rather than better, the temptation to succumb to despair and fatalism is strong.

Hopelessness isn’t warranted. But also unwarranted are false hope and blithe reassurance. What is the proper way to approach this moment?

The first thing to do is to remind ourselves that our responsibility is to be faithful, not necessarily successful. All of us would rather be both, and sometimes we are. But the best any of us can do is to act with a reasonable degree of honor and integrity, defending, even imperfectly, what we believe is right and true. None of us controls what happens beyond that. I have found the words of C. S. Lewis to be meaningful. “It is not your business to succeed (no one can be sure of that) but to do right: when you have done so the rest lies with God,” he wrote. If we don’t act when success isn’t guaranteed, then success will always be beyond our reach.

The second thing to bear in mind is that unexpected inflection points—events that change the way we think and act, that alter underlying assumptions and sometimes the trajectory of history—can occur in the life of a nation. Why they happen is not always clear in real time; it’s typically a combination of the right (or wrong) moment, the right (or wrong) individual, the stars aligning in the right (or wrong) way. Sometimes things are one way and then they are another. An appeal may fall on deaf ears in one season but not another.

Winston Churchill experienced his “wilderness years”; then came the Munich Agreement and Germany’s invasion of Poland in 1939.

In 1955 in Montgomery, Alabama, Rosa Parks refused to give up her seat on a bus to a white passenger; the next day, Martin Luther King Jr. proposed a citywide boycott against racial segregation on the public t***sportation system. Six months later, a federal court ruled that laws keeping buses segregated were unconstitutional. A year after Parks’s arrest, the Supreme Court concurred.

When Andrew Sullivan wrote his 1989 cover story for The New Republic on the conservative case for gay marriage, it was unthinkable; by the early aughts, it was a reality in states such as Vermont and Massachusetts. By 2011, a majority of Americans approved of gay marriage; in 2015, the Supreme Court held that the 14th Amendment requires states to recognize same-sex marriage; and today gay marriage is widely accepted by Americans across the board, including a majority of Republicans. Sullivan, who has said that when he wrote his New Republic essay he never believed he would see gay marriage in his lifetime, later wrote in The Atlantic, “History is a miasma of contingency, and courage, and conviction, and chance.” It rarely moves in straight lines, but it always moves.

A third point in the context of the MAGA threat to the American republic: We are still mid-drama. Acts have yet to be written. And in a self-governing nation, “we the people” are the authors. American citizens are not like corks caught in the current of a raging river. We are not powerless, without agency. At this point, nothing is inevitable about the triumph, or the defeat, of right-wing authoritarianism. After all, Joe Biden did defeat Donald Trump, by a comfortable margin, and our institutions—many of them, at least—passed a serious stress test. The battle has been engaged; it hasn’t been resolved.

In an interview with the blog The Art of Association, Caroline Mehl, a co-founder of the Constructive Dialogue Institute, explained that four main levers exist to strengthen American democracy:

Redesigning e*******l systems, strengthening democratic institutions, improving our media ecosystem, and
revitalizing our civic culture.

I would add to that list the t***sformation of the American Church, and particularly the white evangelical Church, from an instrument of anger and antipathy to one of grace and justice. Thoughtful people are thinking through practical steps that can be taken in each of these domains and others.

In June 1966, Senator Robert Kennedy took a five-day trip to South Africa during the worst days of apartheid. At the University of Cape Town, he delivered one of his most memorable speeches. Addressing young people, he warned about the “danger of futility: the belief that there is nothing one man or one woman can do against the enormous array of the world’s ills—against misery and ignorance, injustice and violence.” And, using words that would be engraved near his gravesite at Arlington National Cemetery, he said this:

"It is from numberless diverse acts of courage and belief that human history is shaped. Each time a man stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope, and crossing each other from a million different centers of energy and daring those ripples build a current that can sweep down the mightiest wall of oppression and resistance."

Margaret Marshall, a South African anti-apartheid student activist who became the first woman to serve as chief justice of the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court, said, “South Africa in 1966 was as dark a period as I have ever been in. There was this great granite wall of power and privilege of the apartheid government.”

She had been in the audience when Kennedy delivered his speech.

“It made such an impact on me,” Marshall said. “I know it made an impact on others, and I have essentially carried that message for the rest of my life—if we each just do one small thing when we are faced with evil or oppression or discrimination or ine******y. You don’t have to assume that you will be able to change the entire world. It was remarkable; it was breathtaking.”

None of us can change the entire world. But each of us can change for the better the world we inhabit. Each of us can “live within the t***h” rather than within the lie. We can lean into politics rather than withdraw from it. We can be agents of healing to people whose lives are broken. We can support the institutions that civilize our lives and make democracy possible. And we can speak up for veracity and decency when it matters, including challenging people within our political and cultural tribes, even as we listen well to others. These are not heroic requirements, but they are essential ones.

Everything hinges on Americans sending forth ripples of hope.
Opinion by Peter Wehner br br We need to see thi... (show quote)


Very first paragraph: lie.

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Aug 29, 2022 12:42:24   #
moldyoldy
 
4430 wrote:
I know this will disappoint you , But I never watch Fox !

Once in a while I'll catch some of your so call news media to see where they are coming from and they're always down on anyone that isn't thinking to their way of thinking and I can see where you come up with some of the lefty ideas and you are right in step with them .


It really doesn’t matter what sources since they are so incestuous.

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Aug 29, 2022 13:06:57   #
American Vet
 
336Robin wrote:
I guess it's inconvenient for you that it's the t***h or you're in the camp that refuses to believe the t***h.

Which would you rather have, someone that tells you the t***h or would you rather have lies?

Apparently lies are for you.


When you start with the t***h, then we can talk.

As I said, the article started with lies.

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Aug 29, 2022 13:19:13   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
moldyoldy wrote:
It really doesn’t matter what sources since they are so incestuous.


So the left's media is incestuous I've never thought of them in that way but you might be on to something moldy , however there is Joe and his little daughter in the shower

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Aug 29, 2022 13:40:42   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
4430 wrote:
Opinion by Peter Wehner

Pete's opinion is just that his opinion !

Indeed, just as all the nay-sayers opinions on Wehner's article are just that: Their opinions.

After all, that was the introduction to the piece: Peter Wehner's opinion.

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Aug 29, 2022 13:44:09   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
American Vet wrote:
When you start with the t***h, then we can talk.

As I said, the article started with lies.


Exactly right! Trump did not incite a r**t nor an i**********n. There was no i**********n. The entire opinion piece is based on that lie and denies the lies of the democrats, not to mention their non-stop, incessant attempts to over throw the Trump admin while he was in office and even now, their continued attempts to "get" Trump to stop him from running again and revealing more of their corruption.

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Aug 29, 2022 13:45:33   #
American Vet
 
slatten49 wrote:
Indeed, just as all the nay-sayers opinions on Wehner's article are just that: Their opinions.

After all, that was the introduction to the piece: Peter Wehner's opinion.


Except the 'opinion' is based on lies.

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Aug 29, 2022 13:46:27   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
archie bunker wrote:
MAGA fatalism? Fuck man! Look where we are now!!!!!
I don't see how you can think we are moving in a positive direction in any way, shape, or form.

Arch, isn't that what OPP is supposed to be, an airing of opinions in open discourse Posters are entitled to express their approval or disapproval with rebuttal.

If I wanted an echo chamber, I would go elsewhere. Or, drop off the forum.

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Aug 29, 2022 13:50:05   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
slatten49 wrote:
Indeed, just as all the nay-sayers opinions on Wehner's article are just that: Their opinions.

After all, that was the introduction to the piece: Peter Wehner's opinion.


"When a president seeks to undo an e******n by spreading conspiracy theories and inciting a violent assault on the Capitol, when his every t***sgression deepens the devotion of his followers," He is not stating this as an opinion, but as a fact which makes it a lie. The rest is opinion based upon this lie.

Sorry slat, I know you believe it to be true, but I and many, many others do not.

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Aug 29, 2022 13:54:03   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
American Vet wrote:
Except the 'opinion' is based on lies.

Surprising that you would think so, A-V.

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Aug 29, 2022 13:56:20   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
"When a president seeks to undo an e******n by spreading conspiracy theories and inciting a violent assault on the Capitol, when his every t***sgression deepens the devotion of his followers," He is not stating this as an opinion, but as a fact which makes it a lie. The rest is opinion based upon this lie.

Sorry slat, I know you believe it to be true, but I and many, many others do not.

Sorry, Nwtk, but I and many more others well believe it to be true.

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Aug 29, 2022 14:03:11   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
slatten49 wrote:
Arch, isn't that OPP what is supposed to be, an airing of opinions in open discourse Posters are entitled to express their approval or disapproval with rebuttal.

If I wanted an echo chamber, I would go elsewhere. Or, drop off the forum.
Arch, isn't that OPP what is supposed to be, an ai... (show quote)


Tell you what Slat, assume I agree with you and it really was an i**********n, planned and incited by Trump in an effort to become a dictator of sorts and remain in power, even after being v**ed out by a legitimate and non-f********t e******n, in my opinion, we are going down the wrong path on so many things this current administration is pushing, therefore I would be whole heartedly pushing for Trump to be jailed for, basically, treason, I would be pushing whole heartedly for a continuation of the policies he put into place and I would be pushing whole heartedly to have the FBI held accountable for unprecedented and illegal actions; acting with political intent, lying to FISA judges and now magistrate "judges" to get illegal warrants to raid a former president's home, continuing their political crap in an effort to try to effect an e******n, as they did when they lied about the H****r laptop claiming it was Russian disinformation.

I would also shut down the Liz Cheney show and insist that they indict Trump or cease and desist with their claims/actions/prime time stupidity. I would also be investigating Pelosi, Schiff and all the others as regards to the i**********n as I believe they should have be prepared and ready for any violence on that day.

IMHO.

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Aug 29, 2022 14:07:54   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
slatten49 wrote:
Sorry, Nwtk, but I and many more others well believe it to be true.


I know you do. What would be your take on things as they are going now if you actually didn't think it was an i**********n but rather a bunch of extremist crazies who got out of control. Would you still think things are going well and as they should be?? Would you still find the actions of the democrats and FBI to be appropriate?? Would still support the democrat policies since Biden came into office????

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Aug 29, 2022 14:08:23   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Exactly right! Trump did not incite a r**t nor an i**********n. There was no i**********n. The entire opinion piece is based on that lie and denies the lies of the democrats, not to mention their non-stop, incessant attempts to over throw the Trump admin while he was in office and even now, their continued attempts to "get" Trump to stop him from running again and revealing more of their corruption.

Americans believe in and love our nation as much as you believe in and love America's barker/conman/grifter, Trump.

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Aug 29, 2022 14:47:48   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
slatten49 wrote:
Americans believe in and love our nation as much as you believe in and love America's barker/conman/grifter, Trump.


I thought you understood. Most of us don't like Trump, never did. When he decided to run most of us thought it was a joke but, Trump struck a nerve in people who were s**k of the same old same old politics with the politicians being controlled by the special interest groups, big tech and that silent group in the back ground which we refer to as the deep state. Trump was one who appeared to be resistant to being "bought off" or for sale as it appears most politicians obviously are, gaining in wealth at the expense of the nation. When he ran, he made all the right promises and he gradually eliminated the other GOP candidates such that we were left with Trump, all determined in legitimate primary e******ns. Thus we were left with the choice of Obama 3rd term in Hillary Clinton of potential conservative policies via the promises of Trump.

When Trump was elected he started doing the things he promised he would, more so than any I have memory of. One can always make the claim that he didn't do a lot of things he said he would but then things take time and one must deal with guys like McCain and others who turned their backs on conservative policies and tried to undermine Trump, simply out of spite!

But love, no. Like, no. Believe in, to a degree, yes. Despite the great opposition, Trump got a lot done and was working to get more done. We elected him on issues, not personality. Review the things he did, objectively.

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