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Aug 23, 2022 12:22:34   #
woodguru
 
Take a region that has dairy farms, you have an Amish dairy among other dairy farmers/ranchers. His neighbors have laws and regulations they have to adhere to, some are designed to keep animals healthy, some are designed to keep people safer.

Are we supposed to respect other religious beliefs, say a Jamaican goat rancher that is providing goats k**led in barbaric ways for rituals we think are unacceptable? He isn't providing goats for a small religious community, he has expanded to sell them to hundreds or thousands of people. Can he say hey, this is how our religion does this, so butt out and mind your own business, or does he have to adhere to commercial slaughter laws?

This comes down to the scale of things. A Small Amish community that grows and raises produce and animals for the needs of their close community can pretty much do things however they want and nobody will mess with them. If they go to commercial scales of sales to people outside the community, and 4000 customers is a decently sized operation, they will have laws they will have to comply with, and religious beliefs do not get them a free pass on the laws of doing business with the public.

Allowing these religious exemptions opens this country up to a vast array of religious practices we are mostly willing to look the other way on, that could be expanded to larger scales that bring unhealthy practices to public exposure.

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Aug 23, 2022 12:25:55   #
woodguru
 
The right supports religious freedom as long as it conforms to their standards, but I can guarantee that they would be far less tolerant of people's religious conduct on a whole slew of other religions.

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Aug 23, 2022 13:02:06   #
LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago
 
***some are designed to keep animals healthy, some are designed to keep people safer.
>>>A bunch of bureaucrats and government scientists deciding for others because they can't recognize that the combination of healthy animals and fresh animals can be healthier for an individual than the altered products that are part of the Government controlled system. There is no real reason people can't make their own informed choices for themselves, based on their own bodies, needs and desires over oppressive Government control and products that aren't as healthy.

The Amish farmer you are attacking had a closed network of people that are well aware of what he is/was doing. Using their personal freedom to shop elsewhere, or go out of their way to get his product, they chose for themselves and over oppressive Government regulations. He wasn't the only place to shop, and even more expensive, and the people still chose him and his merchandise. Did that escape your reasoning?

Yes, they have religious reasons for a lot of the things they do. But a lot of the things they do are healthier. Who are the likes of you to tell them they can't do it for themselves, and offer it to a small group of people who prefer that product that the Government choices, with all of their additives that aren't necessarily healthy.

As usual, you are like a coon hound barking at a tree, when the coon jumped to another tree, climbed down and is long gone. Just making a lot of noise over nothing.

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Aug 23, 2022 13:08:38   #
Rose42
 
woodguru wrote:
The right supports religious freedom as long as it conforms to their standards, but I can guarantee that they would be far less tolerant of people's religious conduct on a whole slew of other religions.


You support an autocratic government. Understood.

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Aug 23, 2022 13:09:55   #
Liberty Tree
 
woodguru wrote:
The right supports religious freedom as long as it conforms to their standards, but I can guarantee that they would be far less tolerant of people's religious conduct on a whole slew of other religions.


The left supports religious freedom as long it is not Cristian or Jewish.

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Aug 23, 2022 13:38:42   #
liberalhunter Loc: Your mom's house
 
LogicallyRight wrote:
***some are designed to keep animals healthy, some are designed to keep people safer.
>>>A bunch of bureaucrats and government scientists deciding for others because they can't recognize that the combination of healthy animals and fresh animals can be healthier for an individual than the altered products that are part of the Government controlled system. There is no real reason people can't make their own informed choices for themselves, based on their own bodies, needs and desires over oppressive Government control and products that aren't as healthy.

The Amish farmer you are attacking had a closed network of people that are well aware of what he is/was doing. Using their personal freedom to shop elsewhere, or go out of their way to get his product, they chose for themselves and over oppressive Government regulations. He wasn't the only place to shop, and even more expensive, and the people still chose him and his merchandise. Did that escape your reasoning?

Yes, they have religious reasons for a lot of the things they do. But a lot of the things they do are healthier. Who are the likes of you to tell them they can't do it for themselves, and offer it to a small group of people who prefer that product that the Government choices, with all of their additives that aren't necessarily healthy.

As usual, you are like a coon hound barking at a tree, when the coon jumped to another tree, climbed down and is long gone. Just making a lot of noise over nothing.
***some are designed to keep animals healthy, some... (show quote)




Well said..... claps

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Aug 23, 2022 14:45:34   #
LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago
 
liberalh****r wrote:
Well said..... claps


Thanks.

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Aug 23, 2022 19:34:52   #
Peewee Loc: San Antonio, TX
 
woodguru wrote:
Take a region that has dairy farms, you have an Amish dairy among other dairy farmers/ranchers. His neighbors have laws and regulations they have to adhere to, some are designed to keep animals healthy, some are designed to keep people safer.

Are we supposed to respect other religious beliefs, say a Jamaican goat rancher that is providing goats k**led in barbaric ways for rituals we think are unacceptable? He isn't providing goats for a small religious community, he has expanded to sell them to hundreds or thousands of people. Can he say hey, this is how our religion does this, so butt out and mind your own business, or does he have to adhere to commercial slaughter laws?

This comes down to the scale of things. A Small Amish community that grows and raises produce and animals for the needs of their close community can pretty much do things however they want and nobody will mess with them. If they go to commercial scales of sales to people outside the community, and 4000 customers is a decently sized operation, they will have laws they will have to comply with, and religious beliefs do not get them a free pass on the laws of doing business with the public.

Allowing these religious exemptions opens this country up to a vast array of religious practices we are mostly willing to look the other way on, that could be expanded to larger scales that bring unhealthy practices to public exposure.
Take a region that has dairy farms, you have an Am... (show quote)


Satanism is legal in the USA. Do you agree with them? I've never seen a lefty or the ACLU bad-mouth them, and they have zero good points. Just like Planned Parenthood, the only thing they plan is more dead babies. But C***D k**led both adults and babies. And the jabs also increased spontaneous a******ns and k**led jocks and jockettes, in the prime of life,
with no co-morbidities. When you over-process food, it becomes less nutritious and that is the main reason we're getting fatter and more unhealthy. The FDA allows a lot of unhealthy additives into our food. The only difference between Oleo and plastic is a few molecules. I set out an open tub in my garage once for a week and no bugs touched it. Not even the cat or dog wanted it, and my dog was a chow hound, he didn't chew his food, he inhaled it. An unscientific test, but I never bought the stuff any longer. If it was nutritious something would have eaten it, especially ants or flies.

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Aug 23, 2022 20:09:27   #
Ricktloml
 
LogicallyRight wrote:
***some are designed to keep animals healthy, some are designed to keep people safer.
>>>A bunch of bureaucrats and government scientists deciding for others because they can't recognize that the combination of healthy animals and fresh animals can be healthier for an individual than the altered products that are part of the Government controlled system. There is no real reason people can't make their own informed choices for themselves, based on their own bodies, needs and desires over oppressive Government control and products that aren't as healthy.

The Amish farmer you are attacking had a closed network of people that are well aware of what he is/was doing. Using their personal freedom to shop elsewhere, or go out of their way to get his product, they chose for themselves and over oppressive Government regulations. He wasn't the only place to shop, and even more expensive, and the people still chose him and his merchandise. Did that escape your reasoning?

Yes, they have religious reasons for a lot of the things they do. But a lot of the things they do are healthier. Who are the likes of you to tell them they can't do it for themselves, and offer it to a small group of people who prefer that product that the Government choices, with all of their additives that aren't necessarily healthy.

As usual, you are like a coon hound barking at a tree, when the coon jumped to another tree, climbed down and is long gone. Just making a lot of noise over nothing.
***some are designed to keep animals healthy, some... (show quote)




Good grief endless redundant regulations don't make mass commercial beef production safer. And as you pointed out his customers knew how he raised his cattle.

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Aug 23, 2022 20:12:39   #
Ricktloml
 
Peewee wrote:
Satanism is legal in the USA. Do you agree with them? I've never seen a lefty or the ACLU bad-mouth them, and they have zero good points. Just like Planned Parenthood, the only thing they plan is more dead babies. But C***D k**led both adults and babies. And the jabs also increased spontaneous a******ns and k**led jocks and jockettes, in the prime of life,
with no co-morbidities. When you over-process food, it becomes less nutritious and that is the main reason we're getting fatter and more unhealthy. The FDA allows a lot of unhealthy additives into our food. The only difference between Oleo and plastic is a few molecules. I set out an open tub in my garage once for a week and no bugs touched it. Not even the cat or dog wanted it, and my dog was a chow hound, he didn't chew his food, he inhaled it. An unscientific test, but I never bought the stuff any longer. If it was nutritious something would have eaten it, especially ants or flies.
Satanism is legal in the USA. Do you agree with th... (show quote)




My dogs will raid the kitty-litter box for cat-turd treats. Yeah dogs will eat most anything, as the oleo proved, not everything. The moral of the story, oleo is worse than poop

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Aug 24, 2022 07:45:01   #
wilpharm
 
woodguru wrote:
Take a region that has dairy farms, you have an Amish dairy among other dairy farmers/ranchers. His neighbors have laws and regulations they have to adhere to, some are designed to keep animals healthy, some are designed to keep people safer.

Are we supposed to respect other religious beliefs, say a Jamaican goat rancher that is providing goats k**led in barbaric ways for rituals we think are unacceptable? He isn't providing goats for a small religious community, he has expanded to sell them to hundreds or thousands of people. Can he say hey, this is how our religion does this, so butt out and mind your own business, or does he have to adhere to commercial slaughter laws?

This comes down to the scale of things. A Small Amish community that grows and raises produce and animals for the needs of their close community can pretty much do things however they want and nobody will mess with them. If they go to commercial scales of sales to people outside the community, and 4000 customers is a decently sized operation, they will have laws they will have to comply with, and religious beliefs do not get them a free pass on the laws of doing business with the public.

Allowing these religious exemptions opens this country up to a vast array of religious practices we are mostly willing to look the other way on, that could be expanded to larger scales that bring unhealthy practices to public exposure.
Take a region that has dairy farms, you have an Am... (show quote)


uthink FDA approved makes it healthy??? I bet you love aspartame!!

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Aug 24, 2022 07:45:42   #
wilpharm
 
LogicallyRight wrote:
***some are designed to keep animals healthy, some are designed to keep people safer.
>>>A bunch of bureaucrats and government scientists deciding for others because they can't recognize that the combination of healthy animals and fresh animals can be healthier for an individual than the altered products that are part of the Government controlled system. There is no real reason people can't make their own informed choices for themselves, based on their own bodies, needs and desires over oppressive Government control and products that aren't as healthy.

The Amish farmer you are attacking had a closed network of people that are well aware of what he is/was doing. Using their personal freedom to shop elsewhere, or go out of their way to get his product, they chose for themselves and over oppressive Government regulations. He wasn't the only place to shop, and even more expensive, and the people still chose him and his merchandise. Did that escape your reasoning?

Yes, they have religious reasons for a lot of the things they do. But a lot of the things they do are healthier. Who are the likes of you to tell them they can't do it for themselves, and offer it to a small group of people who prefer that product that the Government choices, with all of their additives that aren't necessarily healthy.

As usual, you are like a coon hound barking at a tree, when the coon jumped to another tree, climbed down and is long gone. Just making a lot of noise over nothing.
***some are designed to keep animals healthy, some... (show quote)



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Aug 24, 2022 09:52:56   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
woodguru wrote:
The right supports religious freedom as long as it conforms to their standards, but I can guarantee that they would be far less tolerant of people's religious conduct on a whole slew of other religions.


You mean like the Muslim practice of cutting off a woman's clitoris so she doesn't enjoy sex? (Not to get personal or anything, but is that what happened to you?)

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Aug 24, 2022 10:04:16   #
currahee506
 
All American citizens have a "special right" from God to own land and to work on it without illegal interference from the government. This criminal group of men who have stolen the seats of our government is stealing land for themselves and selling it to foreigners.

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Aug 24, 2022 11:39:30   #
crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
 
woodguru wrote:
Take a region that has dairy farms, you have an Amish dairy among other dairy farmers/ranchers. His neighbors have laws and regulations they have to adhere to, some are designed to keep animals healthy, some are designed to keep people safer.

Are we supposed to respect other religious beliefs, say a Jamaican goat rancher that is providing goats k**led in barbaric ways for rituals we think are unacceptable? He isn't providing goats for a small religious community, he has expanded to sell them to hundreds or thousands of people. Can he say hey, this is how our religion does this, so butt out and mind your own business, or does he have to adhere to commercial slaughter laws?

This comes down to the scale of things. A Small Amish community that grows and raises produce and animals for the needs of their close community can pretty much do things however they want and nobody will mess with them. If they go to commercial scales of sales to people outside the community, and 4000 customers is a decently sized operation, they will have laws they will have to comply with, and religious beliefs do not get them a free pass on the laws of doing business with the public.

Allowing these religious exemptions opens this country up to a vast array of religious practices we are mostly willing to look the other way on, that could be expanded to larger scales that bring unhealthy practices to public exposure.
Take a region that has dairy farms, you have an Am... (show quote)




I seem to recall that this is similar to the argument was used to force the C***d precautions and v******tions upon us.

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